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Manhunt 2 Rated Adults Only by ESRB

hyp said:
hey i get it, you think my opinion sucks. but don't try and insult me with your smart ass comments.
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Stitch

Gold Member
8MM had the same problems with the mpaa. Underage chick getting stabbed to death, wohoo no problem.

Oh whats that!? some people over there are having sex, nope sir cut that out please.
 
The Sphinx said:
They would enforce a different standard, no question. Games are currently under more scrutiny.
i hope Rockstar are inquiring along those lines anyway. like i say, i want them to show some conviction and stand by their game.

i know it's unlikely, but i see nothing wrong with someone pushing the envelope when we're talking about a videogame.

i don't know that i'd have the stomach for it, but i'd like to think that just as there can be credible and respected NC-17 movies, that there can be a market for AO games.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Stitch said:
8MM had the same problems with the mpaa. Underage chick getting stabbed to death, wohoo no problem.

Oh whats that!? some people over there are having sex, nope sir cut that out please.

Every Joel Schumacher movie SHOULD be rated NC-17 so no one would have to watch them.
 

Ranger X

Member
plagiarize said:
i hope Rockstar are inquiring along those lines anyway. like i say, i want them to show some conviction and stand by their game.

i know it's unlikely, but i see nothing wrong with someone pushing the envelope when we're talking about a videogame.

i don't know that i'd have the stomach for it, but i'd like to think that just as there can be credible and respected NC-17 movies, that there can be a market for AO games.

You know what, i am reading you since a couple of pages and that's perfect. I don't need to post it seems! Tks for the good job :lol
 
ManaByte said:
Every Joel Schumacher movie SHOULD be rated NC-17 so no one would have to watch them.
erm. no one *has* to watch them.

if you don't want to watch a film, don't watch it. same goes for manhunt 2. wouldn't it be preferably to live in a world where people could decide for themselves whether a game was too much for them and not play it at their own discretion?

that said, if rockstar cut the game down to an M they're the only people i'll blame for it, as it will be for one reason and one reason only.

money.
 
plagiarize said:
wouldn't it be preferably to live in a world where people could decide for themselves whether a game was too much for them and not play it at their own discretion?

No. People can't be trusted to govern themselves.
 

ksamedi

Member
Now im just going to buy the game just to see what the commotion was all about. Im guessing we will be getting the 'uncencored' version here in the Netherlands. Its times like these that i love this country :)
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
I'm not even interested in this game, but if they stick to their guns and it comes out with an AO rating I may buy it just to support them.
 

Jirotrom

Member
I was so hoping that something would slip buy later to be unvieled after the game was released that way I would have already purchased my uncut copy...damnit.
 

Matt

Member
plagiarize said:
that said, if rockstar cut the game down to an M they're the only people i'll blame for it, as it will be for one reason and one reason only.

money.
lol, well why the hell else would they be releasing a game? For their health?
 

Mr.City

Member
God, I'm having flashbacks to the old day of MK2 for the Super Nintendo. There's going to be lot of sweating on going in this game.
 

legend166

Member
The worst thing about this is that morons will use the game as an example so they can say "omg 3rd party games don't sell on wii it's a fad etc"
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Mr.City said:
God, I'm having flashbacks to the old day of MK2 for the Super Nintendo. There's going to be lot of sweating on going in this game.

Reaaaly? Since when is NINTENDO responsible for rating games for the ESRB?
 

Phthisis

Member
legend166 said:
The worst thing about this is that morons will use the game as an example so they can say "omg 3rd party games don't sell on wii it's a fad etc"

Wii is killing gaming literally confirmed.
 

Grok4Spock

Member
Mr.City said:
God, I'm having flashbacks to the old day of MK2 for the Super Nintendo. There's going to be lot of sweating on going in this game.
MK2 had the blood in it, because of the ESRB giving Nintendo an out(It was rated M). MK1 however, was the sweaty edition due to the ESRB being about a year or two away from being in existence...
 

Slavik81

Member
Nicktals said:
I hope they still sell the AO version, and then issue a M version for retailers afraid to carry AO games.

Most publishers have a policy not to sell M-rated games to anyone but adults anyways. Why some refuse to stock Adults-only titles is beyond me.
 

Razoric

Banned
Rockstar: Open up an online store and release an Unrated (AO) Special Edition version.

I'd pay $100+ for it.

Do it.
 
Mr. Pachunga Chung said:
Oh yeah i forgot about that :lol :lol :lol

hah! he said it was going to be more violent than Manhunt 2. Fat chance it would ever be that violent based on the standards for rating games in Japan (ie. didn't GTA get a rating beyond just the equivelent to 'M' overseas?)
 

Saoh

Member
i bet they'll appeal this rating. two versions maybe?

this AO only made me more interested in Manhunt 2, i'm actually thinking about getting it.
 

gimz

Member
when is it coming out? i wil lhave to buy a copy (wii version)

i have a feeling this game will be really hard to find after a month
 

DrLazy

Member
I think the ESRB made the right choice. I posted my feelings in the other thread:


According to ESRB, games rated "Adults Only" have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

Let's break that down:

- Should only be played by persons 18 years and older.
- Prolonged scenes of intense violence.

Intense Violence is further defined thusly: Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death

Should people under the age of 18 really be playing Manhunt 2? Are there prolonged scenes of intense violence. I don't know, but judging from the previews I've read, it sure seems likely. From 1up:

Gouging an enemy's eyeballs with a glass shard, gutting him with a sickle, sucking the life outta him with a plastic bag -- Manhunt's sadistic executions sure did get people's attention. Unfortunately, those gruesome acts also helped get the original game banned in some countries. Lesson learned, right? Pfft -- Rockstar has only cranked up the violence dial for the sequel. And as much as we'd like to say that the gore doesn't impress us (ya know, that'd be the politically correct thing), we couldn't help but want to see more. Some of the new tricks in this game include plunging a syringe into an enemy's heart, or chopping off his head with an ax and then tossing it to distract others in the area. Yet it's the wire cutters that win the prize here: If you perform a level-three execution ( just like in the last Manhunt, the longer you wait before attacking, the more grotesque the death blow) with this weapon, you'll reach underneath the enemy to grab on to his family jewels, rip 'em off, and then stick the wire cutters into his back and tear out the spinal cord.

The game's stylish killings don't stop there; Manhunt 2 will also introduce both gun and environmental executions to the fray. "Environmental executions increase the interactivity within the game and allow you to take advantage of objects found throughout the area," says Washbrook. We especially enjoyed the scene where you strangle a foe with a telephone wire. Oh, and that other one where he lit up like a tiki torch after a face full of fuse box.

That sure sounds like prolonged intense violence to me. This game deserves an adult rating. It should not be banned. It should recieve a correct rating, and the rating should be enforced. Simple.

Other games rated AO: Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut: PC CD ROM, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Thrill Kill for PSone, and various Playboy, Leisure Suit Larry and porn games.
 

DDayton

(more a nerd than a geek)
Personally, I wish we DID just ban stuff like this. I don't see how allowing folks to engage in pyschotic fantasies is good, artistic, or worthwhile political expression. I do think there is a proverbial line that should not be crossed, but I'm just an old fuddy duddy.
 

arab

Member
DrLazy said:
I think the ESRB made the right choice. I posted my feelings in the other thread:


According to ESRB, games rated "Adults Only" have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

Let's break that down:

- Should only be played by persons 18 years and older.
- Prolonged scenes of intense violence.

Intense Violence is further defined thusly: Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death

Should people under the age of 18 really be playing Manhunt 2? Are there prolonged scenes of intense violence. I don't know, but judging from the previews I've read, it sure seems likely. From 1up:



That sure sounds like prolonged intense violence to me. This game deserves an adult rating. It should not be banned. It should recieve a correct rating, and the rating should be enforced. Simple.

Other games rated AO: Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut: PC CD ROM, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Thrill Kill for PSone, and various Playboy, Leisure Suit Larry and porn games.


qft

i'm almost positive that they're gonna censor it a bit and release it for M and this was just a ploy for advertising.
 

Saoh

Member
skinnyrattler said:
So the Wii is too mature? Man, it has been a dramatic turn around for Nintendo.

they sure went to teh extreme!!! :lol :lol kiddie no more.

btw, the Wii has parental control.... ring a bell? **** irresponsible parents
 
Saoh said:
i bet they'll appeal this rating. two versions maybe?

this AO only made me more interested in Manhunt 2, i'm actually thinking about getting it.

I hate how this usually works, but guitily I feel the same...
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
So because I am an extreme sales ager, I regularly check amazon.com.

Yesterday Manhunt 2 was in the thirties on the Wii list.

Right now? It's at 11. :lol :lol :lol
 
DavidDayton said:
I do think there is a proverbial line that should not be crossed, but I'm just an old fuddy duddy.

Yea pretty much. Drawing a line somewhere is absurd, and I applaud Rockstar for having the balls to confront this idiocy. I don't know what's more ridiculous, the ESRB for having an AO rating to dole out when someone rings their bell and pretend they are doing the world a favor by letting oodles and oodles of ****ing filth get through on an M rating, which might as well be E given the way stores enforce the ratings, or the stores themselves who, instead of actually doing their ****ing job and enforcing the various ratings, simply refuse to sell games that are restricted and call it a day. The entire thing is a farce.

Also, I can't believe there are people in here acting like Rockstar ****ed up or something, of course they knew they were pushing it.
 

Slavik81

Member
These days, an M-rating means Adults Only anyways. Maybe if some real games like this start getting AO ratings, the system will start working like its supposed to.
 
AO is a death kill, no-way in usa retail will it be rated this. no major retailer will carry it. this has probably been posted a hundred times.
 

DrLazy

Member
Slavik81 said:
These days, an M-rating means Adults Only anyways. Maybe if some real games like this start getting AO ratings, the system will start working like its supposed to.

I agree with this post and with Son of Godzilla. It seems the rating system is really a farse. AO should be way more common, and it should be carried in stores... only it should be enforced by retailers the same way rated R and NC 17 movie ratings are enforced.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
DavidDayton said:
Personally, I wish we DID just ban stuff like this. I don't see how allowing folks to engage in pyschotic fantasies is good, artistic, or worthwhile political expression. I do think there is a proverbial line that should not be crossed, but I'm just an old fuddy duddy.
well, if there is an overarching message in all this other than just pointless gore, this game could very well leave a lasting impression for the better. perhaps this game is a superb example of "because i know i can, i don't."

for an example, think of the book american psycho. if any of you read that book, and are any kind of moral creatures, the book probably kept you up a few nights. it did that for me, and i only listened to some passages a friend was reading over lunch. if this game can convey the true horrors of killing someone, it may very well PREVENT people from killing. it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth, but in the end its for the better. all stomach for excessively violent acts are gone and your humanity takes over. however, that only really works for relatively mature individuals who can put two and two together. this is why most adolesents and children should not play this game, simply because the meaning would be lost to them. there is meaning to this game,

unfortunately, it can only be truly appreciated by an adult, and therefore, only should be available to an adult. it's unfortunate that it can only truly achieve that through being rated AO. i just wish more parents were responsible to a point where this wouldn't be an issue
 
More anti-gaming agenda :(

This too: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1271314,00.html
A computer game that featured a CCTV image of James Bulger being abducted has been withdrawn by its distributors.
The CCTV still can be seen in top righthand corner

'Law and Order: Double or Nothing' showed a picture of the two-year-old being led away from a Merseyside shopping centre by Jon Venables and Robert Thompson.

A fictional detective in the game then refers to the abduction when he asked gamers to solve a kidnapping.

James' mother, Denise Fergus, complained to the game's manufacturers.

She told Sky News the use of her son's murder in a computer game was "below contempt".
 
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