What? The frame rate could be better but it is solid, the 3D is unimpressive except in cut scenes which unfortunately makes it unnecessary, gameplay is good but not great. Going by the demo, it's an above average game with solid technical performance. I'd hardly call it a technical mess and it definitely is playable.
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Media Create Sales: Week 13, 2015 (Mar 23 - Mar 29)
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What? The frame rate could be better but it is solid, the 3D is unimpressive except in cut scenes which unfortunately makes it unnecessary, gameplay is good but not great. Going by the demo, it's an above average game with solid technical performance. I'd hardly call it a technical mess and it definitely is playable.
Those MC /Famitsu discrepancies XD
If Xenoblade 3D really sold around 40,000 copies on the first day, that would be a good debut, after all.
Pennywise83
Banned
Xenoblade 3D was never meant to be big. To me, it seems only a promotional material for the Wii U entry, and for New 3DS power. Of course, it's an achievement, but if it's going to sell 70-80k when it's all said and done, I'd it succeeded.
2 out of 3 trackers show it sold over 30k in a single week in March you can have your preferences in trackers, but in the respective post you made a general statement with no reference and frankly I see no reason to make such bold statements and completely ignoring the data from other trackers just to make a complacent point. Anyway this arbitrary threshhold isn´t of any significance.
Overall 3DS kept up quite well compared to last year so far, which is shown by its current year to date sales of over 600k units and the year on year comparison. Which is quite good for its 5th year and for a more or less saturated market, considering it´s heading towards 20m this year.
Your comment about Majoras Mask makes no sense to me, what does it matter that it´s a remake, when it comes to beeing a top-seller? While it surely is no million-seller or DQMonsters it still sold very well by any reasonable metric. It is the second best selling SKU this year so far and again starting to outpace the PS3 version of DQH in this weeks sales. Sure there are more successful IPs but you simply can´t churn out a million-seller one after another.
About 1Q lineup, the past years make clear that it isn´t seen as a priority by Nintendo and it obviously affects hardware sales negatively. I think that´s also one of the reasons why Sony and publishers on Sony systems double down to release their software in this timeframe. But it also is always funny to see some come to the same conclusion year after year, it was just last year when PSV was supposed to outsell the 3DS in yearly sales due to sales from this very focus on the 1st half of the year.
Pennywise83
Banned
Yeah, I remember reading some debate about how the 3DS would fall in 2014 because of no games; then YW, MH4G, PKMN ORAS and N3DS happened.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Utterly disappointing.
I thought it was absolutely amazing and far beyond what I expected for a PSP title. Atones for me trying to play the Lightning Saga.
Had a brand-positive effect on me.
For you, Type-0 was a new game. But Japanese players already played it. They won't buy an expensive console for a game they beat years ago.
Removing multiplayer didn't help either, which was one of the features PSP users bought the game for (I know it wasn't that fancy after all but still).
Wait, Type-0 has multiplayer? How does it works?
I don't think that made any difference at all. If they revamped the entire multiplayer mode, it might have helped, but as it is, removing it or leaving it would likely had zero practical impact on the sales. For the Japanese market what the game probably needed was substantial new content. It lacked that. If it at least had as much new content as a KH Final Mix game, it would probably have been able to sell more.
PSP version did have one. Like duckroll said it wasn't that fancy that they'd need better implementation anyway so you aren't missing much.
Fair enough. But after all we all can guess SE wanted a small amount of money with minimal effort, rather than take risks and shoot for bigger profit..
Moor-Angol
Banned
it sold more than 2013 ?
no, despite two brand new models, despite YW huge success, despite another Pokemon, despite another MH
so that debate was not completely wrong
Pennywise83
Banned
it sold more than 2013 ?
no, despite two brand new models, despite YW huge success, despite another Pokemon, despite another MH
so that debate was not completely wrong
The debate was about a +50% drop and a PSV overcome in terms of YTD. Instead, the drop was less sever (around 35%) and it set new records in terms of sw sales (5 multi-million sellers in the span of 6 months) no one would have ever predicted. 3DS was by far the best-selling hw last year, with by far the highest sw sales.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
it sold more than 2013 ?
no, despite two brand new models, despite YW huge success, despite another Pokemon, despite another MH
so that debate was not completely wrong
Dude, now your just being pedantic you know exactly what he meant. 3DS sales had already peaked before 2013
That post was from Friday, I'm sure there were additional shipments for weekend. Sell-through is high but it doesn't indicate shortages.
Moor-Angol
Banned
the discussion was about 3DS keeping sales as last year, me and ZSaberLink, and I said that 3DS keeping sales as last year needs a price cuts
it's just one or two pages before
Add another one to the 3DS June-July graveyard: New Atelier Roronoa dated for June 4th. Not as bad as the last release date, but let's face it, this wasn't going to sell well no matter the date.
I think Stella Glow will do okay. The game looks solid enough.
That's a really strange comparison. Deception IV isn't a hunting game like Soul Sacrifice or Toukiden. It's also a significantly less popular game than either of those. The first Deception IV only did 42k across PS3 and Vita in its FW.
Culdcept is more TCG than RPG. Using Medarot 7 as an example ignores that every successive Medarot game flopped on 3DS.
I think Stella Glow will do okay. The game looks solid enough.
That's a really strange comparison. Deception IV isn't a hunting game like Soul Sacrifice or Toukiden. It's also a significantly less popular game than either of those. The first Deception IV only did 42k across PS3 and Vita in its FW.
Culdcept is more TCG than RPG. Using Medarot 7 as an example ignores that every successive Medarot game flopped on 3DS.
The performance of Type0 HD is mainly the result of the following developments.
1. Significant decline in popularity of PS consoles in the past and current generation in Japan.
2. FF craze slowed down for several reasons including point 1 but mainly the direction the series was taken and the oversaturation of often mediocre spin-off titles.
While in the past even spin-offs managed to sell great at retail, sometimes even top the million seller bar like FFTactics, nowadays it´s gotten way harder. The last million-seller in Japan was FF13. While the last non new entry of the mainline series to make it past the million mark at retail was the low-budget remake of Final Fantasy 3. Neither Crisis Core, Type0 nor the Dissidia games managed to do that. There is a chance of further decline of the series in Japan, of course the mainline series will be less affected than spin-off titles and still sell well and possibly a million-seller, but there aren´t many things hinting at stopping a further decline even for the mainline series (FF13).
1. Significant decline in popularity of PS consoles in the past and current generation in Japan.
2. FF craze slowed down for several reasons including point 1 but mainly the direction the series was taken and the oversaturation of often mediocre spin-off titles.
While in the past even spin-offs managed to sell great at retail, sometimes even top the million seller bar like FFTactics, nowadays it´s gotten way harder. The last million-seller in Japan was FF13. While the last non new entry of the mainline series to make it past the million mark at retail was the low-budget remake of Final Fantasy 3. Neither Crisis Core, Type0 nor the Dissidia games managed to do that. There is a chance of further decline of the series in Japan, of course the mainline series will be less affected than spin-off titles and still sell well and possibly a million-seller, but there aren´t many things hinting at stopping a further decline even for the mainline series (FF13).
Pennywise83
Banned
I wonder what would define a bomb here, since the recent handheld release was not even able to crack the 20k mark, Atelier Rorona Plus sold less than 20k on both PS3 and PSV and the fanbase is completely elsewhere. Well, at least the game did show up in COMGnet preorders.
Well, Medarot 7 succeeded, and I guess Dual didn't do so badly since they released another entry a year later. Medarot 8 sold more than Dual, after all.
Moor-Angol
Banned
I use Famitsu numbers not for complacent point.
Tell me M-C data before 2000 ?
Or a Dengeki chart around 2007 ?
We have Famitsu data from 1997 to 2015, as any other tracker can't provide.
Some years ago while I was running Japan Game Charts we also had weekly sales for weeks during 1997-1999 years (now maybe that site is down), so I always refert to those data cause they cover the longest period, not cause I like them, period.
If I had wrote "35k" instead "30k" and the other trackers confirmed my stamement, something was different regarding what I was talking about ?
Or from now every time we want to talk about some data we have to post numbers from 3 different trackers ?
Anyway, starting from now I will always explain I am using a particular tracker to prevent discussion like this.
Moor-Angol
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Sammy Samusu
Member
First time I'm hearing of this 3DS graveyard. What is happening in June-July?
Pennywise83
Banned
Pennywise83
Banned
sörine;158689849 said:
It might. Kinki no Magna did (28k FW).
Principate
Saint Titanfall
the discussion was about 3DS keeping sales as last year, me and ZSaberLink, and I said that 3DS keeping sales as last year needs a price cuts
it's just one or two pages before
No it wasn't you could tell that particular part wasn't because your were talking about the drop of 2014-2013, which was a lot smaller than was expected but you were still talking as if any drop at all shouldn't have happened despite how long the 3DS has been on on the market, which is why I called you pedantic, you were construing an argument out of something most people following already knew as if it was some sort of counter. Anyone that honestly believed 3DS last year would outsell 2013, clearly weren't paying attention to MC threads at all, so why are you even bringing it up?
It does look notably high budget/quality for a 3DS game. I imagine that's why Sega was willing to pick it up.
I have to wonder what happens if it does well enough to mandate a sequel. It probably won't though.
As I don't know the budget for the 3DS demake, I can't say what would denote a bomb. The Vita ports were probably cheaper to make, though.
It likely showed up on COMG preorders because the delay was super last minute. It was supposed to be out last week.
No, Dual did that poorly:
- First week was 19,839 with a sell-through between 20-40%. That means a shipment of 50-100k.
- As of last May, Famitsu reports 48k sold to consumers.
- Sinobi said Rocket's goal was 140k.
Medarot 8 was probably given the okay for release because Dual was a spinoff. 8 is the second worst selling mainline Medarot game.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, it would probably take too much work to make a 3DS version, so they didnt think it was worth it.
I actually think that the comparison being made earlier isnt really that different from Bloodborne. The numbers are in relatively the same ballpark, and how popular the IPs are will also affect sales. But yeah, dedicated hardware sales in Japan have definitelly went a lot down in total. Its still a fairly big market though, at least.
Moor-Angol
Banned
According to Kitao on the SCEJA Bloodborne nico nico stream, Japan's digital sales for Bloodborne was around 10% of the physical. So, around 15k?
Streaming now though. The info dropped around the 10 mins+ mark.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv215253030
Streaming now though. The info dropped around the 10 mins+ mark.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv215253030
Nightengale
Member
Seems about right for the Japanese market.
Hellraider
Member
Why would the game's quality not matter?
Pennywise83
Banned
PSV ports were cheap, sure, but what about Rorona+? Was KT really happy about that result? Who knows; I hardly believe they're expecting much more from a 3DS demake.
Very unfortunate that Japan rejected the Medarot IP, then. We will hardly see a new entry in this series.
Well I sure wish it does a lot, but to have decent sales games must be shipped at the first place. And in order to get decent shipment retailers must order them (and that's why retailers get to know how games would be promoted before ordering, via meetings).
That being said of course there's a chance the good word of mouth would give game some legs. However that affects how sequels perform a bit more than current one, IMHO.
Ah OK, fair enough then.
Sangetsu-II
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Has anybody seen hiska-kun? He usually gives us the "This week's releases"
I haven't seen him around in this weeks Media Create.
I haven't seen him around in this weeks Media Create.
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Saint Titanfall
Yup because that statement had little to do with what your arguing against, rather than argument that was much more relevant. At least we're on the same page now.
21./01. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.03.19} (¥7.344)
22./07. [PS3] Battlefield: Hardline <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2015.03.19} (¥7.884)
23./16. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (¥4.937)
24./15. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.02.14} (¥5.076)
25./04. [PS4] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 <ADV> (Capcom) {2015.03.19} (¥5.389)
26./20. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.616)
27./12. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥7.344)
28./13. [PS4] Yakuza 0 <ADV> (Sega) {2015.03.12} (¥8.845)
29./28. [3DS] Etrian Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Atlus) {2015.03.05} (¥7.538)
30./23. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156)
31./25. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800)
32./00. [PSV] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥6.264)
33./22. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264)
34./24. [3DS] LEGO City Undercover: The Chase Begins <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.03.05} (¥5.076)
35./18. [3DS] Mario Vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars <PZL> (Nintendo) {2015.03.19} (¥3.024)
36./17. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥8.424)
37./00. [PS4] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
38./36. [3DS] Nanatsu no Taizai: The Seven Deadly Sins - Unjust Sin <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.11} (¥6.145)
39./21. [PSV] God Eater 2: Rage Burst <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.19} (¥6.145)
40./27. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776)
41./10. [3DS] PriPara & Pretty Rhythm: PriPara Detsuka Eruoshare Item 1450! <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2015.03.19} (¥4.299)
42./31. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (¥4.937)
43./00. [3DS] Nashi-jiru Busha!! Funassyi Vs. Dragons <RPG> (Rocket Company) {2015.03.26} (¥5.184)
44./32. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
45./00. [PSV] Friend to Lover # <ADV> (Kaga Create) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
46./29. [3DS] Doraemon: Nobita no Uchuu Eiyuuki <ADV> (FuRyu) {2015.03.05} (¥5.378)
47./00. [PS3] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
48./00. [PSV] Ken ga Kimi for V # <ADV> (Rejet) {2015.03.26} (¥6.264)
49./38. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (¥4.800)
50./08. [PSV] Phantasy Star Online 2 Episode 3: Deluxe Package <RPG> (Sega) {2015.03.19} (¥5.378)
Top 50
3DS - 18
PSV - 11
PS4 - 10
PS3 - 8
WIU - 3
SOFTWARE
22./07. [PS3] Battlefield: Hardline <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2015.03.19} (¥7.884)
23./16. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (¥4.937)
24./15. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.02.14} (¥5.076)
25./04. [PS4] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 <ADV> (Capcom) {2015.03.19} (¥5.389)
26./20. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.616)
27./12. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥7.344)
28./13. [PS4] Yakuza 0 <ADV> (Sega) {2015.03.12} (¥8.845)
29./28. [3DS] Etrian Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Atlus) {2015.03.05} (¥7.538)
30./23. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156)
31./25. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800)
32./00. [PSV] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥6.264)
33./22. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264)
34./24. [3DS] LEGO City Undercover: The Chase Begins <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.03.05} (¥5.076)
35./18. [3DS] Mario Vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars <PZL> (Nintendo) {2015.03.19} (¥3.024)
36./17. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥8.424)
37./00. [PS4] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
38./36. [3DS] Nanatsu no Taizai: The Seven Deadly Sins - Unjust Sin <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.11} (¥6.145)
39./21. [PSV] God Eater 2: Rage Burst <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.19} (¥6.145)
40./27. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776)
41./10. [3DS] PriPara & Pretty Rhythm: PriPara Detsuka Eruoshare Item 1450! <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2015.03.19} (¥4.299)
42./31. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (¥4.937)
43./00. [3DS] Nashi-jiru Busha!! Funassyi Vs. Dragons <RPG> (Rocket Company) {2015.03.26} (¥5.184)
44./32. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
45./00. [PSV] Friend to Lover # <ADV> (Kaga Create) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
46./29. [3DS] Doraemon: Nobita no Uchuu Eiyuuki <ADV> (FuRyu) {2015.03.05} (¥5.378)
47./00. [PS3] Deception IV: Another Princess # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
48./00. [PSV] Ken ga Kimi for V # <ADV> (Rejet) {2015.03.26} (¥6.264)
49./38. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (¥4.800)
50./08. [PSV] Phantasy Star Online 2 Episode 3: Deluxe Package <RPG> (Sega) {2015.03.19} (¥5.378)
Top 50
3DS - 18
PSV - 11
PS4 - 10
PS3 - 8
WIU - 3
SOFTWARE
Code:
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
| ALL | 1.285.000 | 756.000 | 1.005.000 | 9.522.000 | 11.741.000 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+new releases {2015.04.09}
[3DS] Raishi <SLG> (Klon) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Xblaze Lost: Memories <ADV> (Arc System Works) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Hyakka Ryouran Elixir: Record of Torenia Revival <ADV> (Kaga Create) (¥7.344)
[PSV] Hyakka Ryouran Elixir: Record of Torenia Revival <ADV> (Kaga Create) (¥9.504)
[PS4] Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin <RPG> (From Software) (¥5.962)
[XB1] Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin <RPG> (From Software) (¥5.962)
[PS3] Xblaze Lost: Memories <ADV> (Arc System Works) (¥6.264)
[3DS] Raishi <SLG> (Klon) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Xblaze Lost: Memories <ADV> (Arc System Works) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Hyakka Ryouran Elixir: Record of Torenia Revival <ADV> (Kaga Create) (¥7.344)
[PSV] Hyakka Ryouran Elixir: Record of Torenia Revival <ADV> (Kaga Create) (¥9.504)
[PS4] Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin <RPG> (From Software) (¥5.962)
[XB1] Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin <RPG> (From Software) (¥5.962)
[PS3] Xblaze Lost: Memories <ADV> (Arc System Works) (¥6.264)
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Hes around, guy was active yesterday with his account. Post #638 1 page back.
Sangetsu-II
Member
lol, did not see that last post, that stealth post.
Furfuryl Furforate
Banned
those XBO numbers are pitiful but 50k LTD isn't so bad.
Kinda sad since I really enjoyed the few JRPGs I got on 360, I'd even go so far as to say that Lost Odyssey was one of the best JRPGs last gen and definitely my favourite.
Kinda sad since I really enjoyed the few JRPGs I got on 360, I'd even go so far as to say that Lost Odyssey was one of the best JRPGs last gen and definitely my favourite.
50k LTD is catastrophic
I understand how you feel about JRPGs on 360 but those days are long over, best to just try to stick to the one platform that will always have them from now on.
Sangetsu-II
Member
IAmRandom31
Banned
50k LTD is beyond bad.
They released in September and it sold half of that 50k at launch. So yeah, its like 25k in what, 7 months? Which would be about 3.5k units a MONTH.