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Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2016 (Nov 21 - Nov 27)

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Dengeki Online Sales: Week 47, 2016 (Nov 21 - Nov 27)

01./01. [3DS] Pokemon Sun (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} - 196,083 / 1,023,512
02./02. [3DS] Pokemon Moon (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} - 178,133 / 966,246
03./00. [PSV] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.22} - 76,426 / NEW
04./00. [PS4] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.22} - 74,424 / NEW
05./00. [PS4] Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru (Koei Tecmo) {2016.11.23} - 27,081 / NEW
06./03. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon Dual Pack (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} - 20,490 / 315,970
07./00. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo (Nintendo) {2016.11.23} - 16,428 / NEW
08./00. [PSV] Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru (Koei Tecmo) {2016.11.23} - 13,214 / NEW
09./00. [PSV] Code: Realize - Shukufuku no Mirai (Idea Factory) {2016.11.24} - 12,322 / NEW
10./00. [PS3] Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru (Koei Tecmo) {2016.11.23} - 11,238 / NEW
11./00. [3DS] Aikatsu Stars! My Special Appeal (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.24} - 9,550 / NEW
12./00. [PS4] Monster Hunter Frontier Z: Beginner's Package (Capcom) {2016.11.22} - 8,075 / NEW
13./00. [3DS] RPG Maker: Fes (Kadokawa Games) {2016.11.24} - 6,844 / NEW
14./09. [PS4] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition (Bethesda Softworks) {2016.11.10} - 6,040 / 39,840
15./06. [PS4] Battlefield 1 (Electronic Arts) {2016.10.21} - 5,511 / 216,813
16./14. [WIU] Minecraft: Wii U Edition (Microsoft Game Studios) {2016.06.23} - 5,183 / 185,162
17./11. [3DS] Mario Party Star Rush (Nintendo) {2016.10.20} - 5,122 / 72,886
18./07. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.11.04} - 4,713 / 130,193
19./17. [PSV] Minecraft: Playstation Vita Edition (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2015.03.19} - 4,706 / 907,744
20./04. [PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Marvelous) {2016.11.10} - 4,673 / 87,380
21./08. [PS4] Dragonball Xenoverse 2 (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.02} - 4,311 / 83,804
22./13. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories (Capcom) {2016.10.08} - 4,172 / 273,957
23./10. [3DS] Beyblade Burst (FuRyu) {2016.11.10} - 3,672 / 23,250
24./05. [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Marvelous) {2016.11.10} - 3,253 / 77,326
25./15. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} - 3,032 / 115,270
26./00. [PSV] Otome Riron to Sono Shuuhen: Bon Voyage (Dramatic Create) {2016.11.24} - 3,025 / NEW
27./16. [3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design (Takara Tomy) {2016.11.10} - 2,989 / 30,889
28./23. [3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Mura o Tsukurundesu (Nippon Columbia) {2016.07.21} - 2,872 / 75,727
29./35. [3DS] Monster Strike (Mixi) {2015.12.17} - 2,850 / 947,155
30./21. [3DS] Monster Hunter Generations (Capcom) {2015.11.28} - 2,820 / 2,854,677
31./28. [3DS] Kirby: Planet Robobot (Nintendo) {2016.04.28} - 2,472 / 449,881
32./24. [WIU] Splatoon (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} - 2,341 / 1,453,803
33./18. [PS4] Titanfall 2 (Electronic Arts) {2016.10.28} - 2,294 / 49,253
34./00. [PSV] Princess is Money Hungry (Nippon Ichi Software) {2016.11.24} - 2,163 / NEW
35./34. [PS4] Minecraft: Playstation 4 Edition (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2015.12.03} - 2,122 / 132,563
36./26. [WIU] Paper Mario: Color Splash (Nintendo) {2016.10.13} - 2,117 / 46,675
37./29. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2015.10.08} - 2,106 / 164,022
38./19. [PSV] World of Final Fantasy (Square Enix) {2016.10.27} - 2,072 / 80,149
39./27. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi (Level 5) {2016.07.16} - 2,033 / 653,297
40./25. [3DS] Dragon Ball: Fusions (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.08.04} - 1,989 / 192,401
41./20. [PS4] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} - 1,928 / 95,805
42./30. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Tempura (Level 5) {2016.07.16} - 1,856 / 618,732
43./36. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} - 1,822 / 1,450,433
44./22. [PS4] World of Final Fantasy (Square Enix) {2016.10.27} - 1,771 / 73,663
45./39. [3DS] Super Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Kyuukyoku no Shinobu to Battle Player Choujou Kessen! (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.09.15} - 1,644 / 35,085
46./38. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2017 (KONAMI) {2016.09.15} - 1,635 / 93,786
47./40. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} - 1,611 / 2,557,292
48./00. [PSV] Code: Realize Twin Pack (Idea Factory) {2016.11.24} - 1,543 / NEW
49./00. [PSV] Id [id] -Rebirth Session- (Entergram) {2016.11.24} - 1,288 / NEW
50./50. [3DS] Tomodachi Life [Nintendo Selects] (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} - 1,278 / 64,683

SOFTWARE
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| Model | This Week | Week(%)  | FY 2016     | FY(%)   |
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| 3DS   | 505,140   | 58.2%    | 8,618,716   | 47.6%   |
| PS4   | 176,508   | 20.3%    | 4,710,951   | 26.0%   |
| Vita  | 146,099   | 16.8%    | 2,667,445   | 14.7%   |
| PS3   | 20,254    | 2.3%     | 1,009,154   | 5.6%    |
| Wii U | 19,816    | 2.3%     | 1,066,575   | 5.9%    |
| X One | 415       | 0.0%     | 25,950      | 0.1%    |
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| Total | 868,232   | 100.0%   | 18,098,791  | 100.0%  |
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HARDWARE
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| Model | This Week | Week(%)  | FY 2016     | FY(%)   |
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| 3DS   | 52,897    | 40.5%    | 842,098     | 33.2%   |
| PS4   | 44,887    | 34.3%    | 992,041     | 39.1%   |
| 2DS   | 18,886    | 14.5%    | 126,680     | 5.0%    |
| Vita  | 10,634    | 8.1%     | 384,851     | 15.2%   |
| Wii U | 2,378     | 1.8%     | 158,767     | 6.3%    |
| X One | 508       | 0.4%     | 3,163       | 0.1%    |
| PS3   | 488       | 0.4%     | 29,719      | 1.2%    |
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| Total | 130,678   | 100.0%   | 2,537,319   | 100.0%  |
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*FY 2016 refers to the period from April 1, 2016 through March 31, 2017

Dengeki Online Sales: Week 46, 2016 (Nov 14 - Nov 20)

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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.
 
Not surprised to see the decline for FFXV, Yakuza 6 and REVII. Heck I wasn't shocked to see Yakuza 6 getting localized. As for FFXV and REVII, they are both marketed heavily in the West so it seems like the developers already know the market is close to dying in Japan.

I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.
Dragon Quest XI is the only one which can try to do better than FFXV but it also depends on when the game will be released, and whether the 3DS version is out early.
 
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.

SMT 5 if we're lucky?
 
Not surprised to see the decline for FFXV, Yakuza 6 and REVII. Heck I wasn't shocked to see Yakuza 6 getting localized. As for FFXV and REVII, they are both marketed heavily in the West so it seems like the developers already know the market is close to dying in Japan.


Dragon Quest XI is the only one which can try to do better than FFXV but it also depends on when the game will be released, and whether the 3DS version is out early.

It also depends on how big of a success the Switch is as that version might eat intp the PS4 version heavily.
 

Ōkami

Member
I wonder what Kingdom Hearts III could do, it'll be out over a decade after II and it being such a convoluted storyline I wonder how many people have played all the necesary games, let alone still care about the series at all.

If it sells half of what I & II did it'd be surprising.

Sales of Yakuza are interesting seeing how it'll be the fourth Yakuza game on PS4 (which is not even 3 years out!) so it's not like the fanbase hasn't had time to migrate over, though many might still be on PS3 seeing how Kiwami on PS4 didn't outsold the PS3 version that much, though there's always next year's Yakuza game I guess.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

If FFXV failed I wouldn't expect anything bigger at sales.

It also depends on how big of a success the Switch is as that version might eat intp the PS4 version heavily.

DQXI on PS4 will have a very hard time outselling FFXV even with Switch version absent.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I'm not sure how big of a sticking point this will be in Japan, but I think Kingdom Heart's game design of not being a traditional RPG with towns, side quests, and other such things is something that's going to go over a lot less well in 2017/2018 than it did in the PS2 era.
 
Ōkami;225995619 said:
I wonder what Kingdom Hearts III could do, it'll be out over a decade after II and it being such a convoluted storyline I wonder how many people have played all the necesary games, let alone still care about the series at all.

If it sells half of what I & II did it'd be surprising.

Sales of Yakuza are interesting seeing how it'll be the fourth Yakuza game on PS4 (which is not even 3 years out!) so it's not like the fanbase hasn't had time to migrate over, though many might still be on PS3 seeing how Kiwami on PS4 didn't outsold the PS3 version that much, though there's always next year's Yakuza game I guess.
They missed the potential to capitalize of the Frozen popularity and since I don't see the game releasing in 2018 at the earliest, I doubt anyone would care about it by then.
 

duckroll

Member
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.

What is the definition for big anymore though? When we have >2 million franchises like FF struggling to hit a million now, <300k franchises like Persona overperforming at >500k, and >500k franchises like Yakuza doing less than Persona now, the landscape is totally changed. I don't think we can so easily pick pre-existing successfully franchises and say "this is be a big title because the last one 6 years ago was" but at the same time, I don't think we should underestimate the potential for growth on things which are moving in a different direction.

Hot take: It will be interesting to see how RDR2 and GTAVI do in the next 5-10 years in Japan, if there is still a console market when GTAVI is released.
 

Oxx

Member
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.

Knack 2, obvs.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
What is the definition for big anymore though? When we have >2 million franchises like FF struggling to hit a million now, <300k franchises like Persona overperforming at >500k, and >500k franchises like Yakuza doing less than Persona now, the landscape is totally changed. I don't think we can so easily pick pre-existing successfully franchises and say "this is be a big title because the last one 6 years ago was" but at the same time, I don't think we should underestimate the potential for growth on things which are moving in a different direction.

Hot take: It will be interesting to see how RDR2 and GTAVI do in the next 5-10 years in Japan, if there is still a console market when GTAVI is released.
Right, that's what I meant by "hypothetical biggest games".

I think at this point, """big""" on the PS4 is probably 300K+ LTD. Maybe 350K if we want the category to be a bit more exclusive.
 

Arzehn

Member
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.

Perhaps a Dragon Quest Builders 2 with online multiplayer could be a big deal.
 
I think we've also chewed through at least half the hypothetical biggest games the PS4 will get in Japan by the time RE7 comes out.

What's even left? Kingdom Hearts III, one of three versions of Dragon Quest XI, and Final Fantasy VII: Part I of III?

Are there even any unannounced but expected games that could be big? I guess maybe Death Stranding could make it out this generation, or Tales could try and do something with the first PS4 only game.

GTA VI =P. Maybe GTA V was once in a series hit in Japan though.
 

sense

Member
Resident evil remake 2 will be another "big" title. Maybe that mobile ip Granblue something. Not sure where hot shots or gran turismo fall at this point. I feel gt will bomb in Japan
 

Arzehn

Member
With the exception of mainline DQ and Monster Hunter the only big games left in Japan are for children. The reality is that Sony just hasn't shown much push for that market with the exception of Minecraft and Builders but they're for the Vita, a device that children actually have.

PS4 has a late teen to adult audience, and this will never change for home consoles. The ceiling of this market is going to be whatever FF15 LTD gets at this point unless FF16 comes out this gen with more Japanese aesthetic than 15.

Sony fills but a niche in Japan, and that's okay, as long as these companies adapt their games for western markets and partnerships. It's not going to work for all games, but that's the reality.
 

Takao

Banned
YSO predictions

01. [PS4] Yakuza 6: The Song of Life < 250k (average 225k)
02. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon < 180k (average 150k)
03. [PS4] Final Fantasy XV < 90k (average 80k)
00. [PS4] The Last Guardian < 60k (average 55k)


PS2 ICO [All Versions] 15.940 / 196.016 SCE 12/6/2001
PS2 Shadow of the Colossus [All Versions] 129.492 / 233.074 SCE 10/27/2005
PS3 The ICO and Shadow of the Colossus Collection 90.222 / 108.954 SCE 9/22/2011
PS3 Shadow of the Colossus 16.656 / 45.174 SCE 9/22/2011
PS3 ICO 7.681 / 24.031 SCE 9/22/2011


Nearly half my life in development and sells worse than the HD remasters. Never underestimate the power of PS4.
 
PS2 ICO [All Versions] 15.940 / 196.016 SCE 12/6/2001
PS2 Shadow of the Colossus [All Versions] 129.492 / 233.074 SCE 10/27/2005
PS3 The ICO and Shadow of the Colossus Collection 90.222 / 108.954 SCE 9/22/2011
PS3 Shadow of the Colossus 16.656 / 45.174 SCE 9/22/2011
PS3 ICO 7.681 / 24.031 SCE 9/22/2011


Nearly half my life in development and sells worse than the HD remasters. Never underestimate the power of PS4.

Ughhhh. Man this is tough to read.
 
But honestly, if Sony/PS4 can't sell all these big and hyped consoles games, then no one can.

It's time for Sony to make their own Switch: console version for the west and handheld for Japan.

I won't even drag Sony for copying Nintendo again, it's the only solution at this point.
 

Oregano

Member
But honestly, if Sony/PS4 can't sell all these big and hyped consoles games, then no one can.

It's time for Sony to make their own Switch: console version for the west and handheld for Japan.

I won't even drag Sony for copying Nintendo again, it's the only solution at this point.

Sony doesn't really have to though. PS4 is a massive success without Japan and the publishers aren't dropping the platform any time soon.
 

dracula_x

Member
But honestly, if Sony/PS4 can't sell all these big and hyped consoles games, then no one can.

It's time for Sony to make their own Switch: console version for the west and handheld for Japan.

I won't even drag Sony for copying Nintendo again, it's the only solution at this point.

No need, PS4 is doing fine outside of Japan. It would be a waste of money for them to make Switch-clone.

Also this – http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1293880

^ Sony is aware about situation in Japan
 
Sony doesn't really have to though. PS4 is a massive success without Japan and the publishers aren't dropping the platform any time soon.

Yeah, who needs more money right? I'm sure Sony doesn't care about their domestic market! Let Nintendo have all the yens, hahaha!
 

dracula_x

Member
Of course they are. They've killed so many Vita games and still try to kill Vita.

They did the right thing. Mobile is more perspective, Vita is a waste of money at this point.

edit: and those "Vita games"/franchises don't have a future. So basically there are two choices &#8211; kill franchise or port game to PS4.
 
What would be the appeal in a new Sony handheld now that the Nintendo handheld is this powerful? Obviously Sony could make an even more powerful handheld, but would that small difference have an impact on handheld developers and therefore players?
 

Asd202

Member
Sigh... at this pace this isn't going to be much of a dedicated game industry in Japan even for the Switch to try and revitalize...

Also what are we expecting the PS4 to sell by the end of this year? 1.6-1.8M?

Switch will mark further decline in Japanese dedicaded game market overall I'll be surprised if it will reach half of 3DS sales. Developing for Switch will be harder and more expensive than 3DS by far as everything will have to be in HD for "console mode". I expect Japan to go further into mobile with more games being like previous console experiences and non free to play.

But honestly, if Sony/PS4 can't sell all these big and hyped consoles games, then no one can.

It's time for Sony to make their own Switch: console version for the west and handheld for Japan.

I won't even drag Sony for copying Nintendo again, it's the only solution at this point.

Just wait for Switch sales they aren't going to be close to DS, 3DS line IMO.
 

Oregano

Member
What would be the appeal in a new Sony handheld now that the Nintendo handheld is this powerful? Obviously Sony could make an even more powerful handheld, but would that small difference have an impact on handheld developers and therefore players?

Well Sony seems to have done a pretty amazing job of actually convincing them to make PS4 their primary platform which is obviously a lot lower risk for them.
 
Switch will mark further decline in Japanese dedicaded game market overall I'll be surprised if it will reach half of 3DS sales. Developing for Switch will be harder and more expensive than 3DS by far as everything will have to be in HD

I think they will just reuse thier old SD assets.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
The Japanese publishers have all reacted already.

Go open any of the financial reports from this quarter and you'll see that their strategy consists of mobile, some console and/or PC games for the West, some low budget dedicated titles for Japan, and maybe some speculative business like VR or Japanese eSports for the more ambitious companies.

There are very few companies left that really depend on the Japanese dedicated market. Capcom probably gets hit the most due to Monster Hunter making up so much of their revenue, but they're aggressively investing to try and gain more prominence in mobile and regain relevance overseas.

Level 5 isn't especially established on mobile, so they'd be quite harmed if all consoles/handhelds in Japan disappeared tomorrow, but we can all see what they've been trying to do lately.
 

Asd202

Member
The Japanese publishers have all reacted already.

Go open any of the financial reports from this quarter and you'll see that their strategy consists of mobile, some console and/or PC games for the West, some low budget dedicated titles for Japan, and maybe some speculative business like VR or Japanese eSports for the more ambitious companies.

Not surprised at all.
 

Oregano

Member
The Japanese publishers have all reacted already.

Go open any of the financial reports from this quarter and you'll see that their strategy consists of mobile, some console and/or PC games for the West, some low budget dedicated titles for Japan, and maybe some speculative business like VR or Japanese eSports for the more ambitious companies.

There are very few companies left that really depend on the Japanese dedicated market. Capcom probably gets hit the most due to Monster Hunter making up so much of their revenue, but they're aggressively investing to try and gain more prominence in mobile and regain relevance overseas.

Level 5 isn't especially established on mobile, so they'd be quite harmed if all consoles/handhelds in Japan disappeared tomorrow, but we can all see what they've been trying to do lately.

It's still quite funny that the fight for dedicated consoles seemingly began and ended with PS4. Everyone's in abandon ship mode now.
 

MacTag

Banned
Switch will mark further decline in Japanese dedicaded game market overall I'll be surprised if it will reach half of 3DS sales. Developing for Switch will be harder and more expensive than 3DS by far as everything will have to be in HD for "console mode". I expect Japan to go further into mobile with more games being like previous console experiences and non free to play.

Just wait for Switch sales they aren't going to be close to DS, 3DS line IMO.
I think we have to wait to see more on the system and support to really evaluate this. I was surprised by the debut video being so western centric though.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Switch will mark further decline in Japanese dedicaded game market overall I'll be surprised if it will reach half of 3DS sales. Developing for Switch will be harder and more expensive than 3DS by far as everything will have to be in HD for "console mode". I expect Japan to go further into mobile with more games being like previous console experiences and non free to play.

For a system like 3DS that was based almost entirelly on Nintendo with weak third party support, cost of HD development for Switch isn't what will bring third parties back or will make sales collapse from 3DS.

Companies will develop mobile games being like previous console experiences and non free to play, now that is something I want to see.
 

duckroll

Member
Plus it is aesthetically more japanese than souls so that might help.

Why would it? I think the idea that something being more Japanese would help it sell better in the Japanese market is not necessarily true. Why did Resident Evil do so much better even in Japan compared to Onimusha? Why does Devil May Cry outsell Ninja Gaiden? Why is Final Fantasy Type-0 less appealing than more western themed Final Fantasy games? Why GTAV one of the best selling games on PS3 instead of Yakuza?

I honestly don't think being "more Japanese" in a genre helps at all in Japan.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Will also be interesting to see the price for the Switch. Nintendo "panicked" with the price regarding the 3DS early on, dropping it from 25k yen to 15k yen. I dont think such a solution will be done again.
 

RPGamer92

Banned
But honestly, if Sony/PS4 can't sell all these big and hyped consoles games, then no one can.

It's time for Sony to make their own Switch: console version for the west and handheld for Japan.

I won't even drag Sony for copying Nintendo again, it's the only solution at this point.
ITP, Japan=the whole world.
 
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