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MGS: Twin Snakes - Possible for Switch says Former Silicon Knights President
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Steve Youngblood
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Mind you, I haven't re-examined the game in quite some time. But from what I remember at the time that seems a bit harsh. For some reason, the main thing I didn't like about the visuals at the time was -- and I hope I'm not just remembering incorrectly -- that it had this greenish hue to everything. But otherwise I wouldn't call it a dumpster fire.
Agree about the gameplay stuff though.
Strangelove77
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Hopefully it stays buried forever on the GameCube.
SporeCrawler
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Like any MGS game ever? How did people handle Metal Gear Rising or Metal gear 4?
Schopenhauerian
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Some of the other changes that didnt quite work for me (one of which hasnt yet been mentioned, I think): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=225873347&postcount=217
The biggest problem was the inconsistency in character models. Snake and Mantis generally looked really nice and comparable to something that KojiPro would have done themselves, but then you start getting to characters like Otacon and Ocelot and... yeah, not so much.
Another big problem is that basically as soon as you get into a situation where a clearing happens, all hope of the framerate maintaining 60 fps crashes like a Hind-D. It's a pretty rough presentation all around, and it's something that made it really obvious that it didn't get the level of TLC that Kojima is so famous for.
LordRaptor
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Oh, I forgot I'd posted in that topic that video counterpoint to "oh, TTS cutscenes, so dumb, much ungrounded"
Oh, I forgot I'd posted in that topic that video counterpoint to "oh, TTS cutscenes, so dumb, much ungrounded"
Yep that would be a cyborg ninja doing that. Not the dude who just wants to mush whiskies. That's the issue.
What feats does snake perform outside of twin snakes that are as off the wall as surfing a missile? I'm actually curious to hear the answer. I haven't played all the mgs games.
To me it seems like binging up the supernatural stuff other characters may do isn't a strong argument for why it's not out of character to see snake doing it.
The cutscene direction never really bothered me, and finding out that Kojima vetoed Kitamura's original take that would have been closer to how they were directed originally said more about what direction the series was going to be heading in than anything Kitamura actually did wrong. MGS3 kind of comes off like a happy accident in that regard, though that's not completely free of excellence in impossible human physics, like EVA's motorcycle flash kick and pretty much every goddamn thing Volgin does.
And lets face it: if you aren't laughing with the game during the notorious doorway vault, you're doing it wrong.
And lets face it: if you aren't laughing with the game during the notorious doorway vault, you're doing it wrong.
Smooth Operator
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I hate MGS4. Real, pure, unfiltered hate. But trust me, MGS4 is a goddamn masterpiece compared to MGS:TT.
Lights and Waves
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It was my first full MGS experience (MGS on PS1 was a little too hard for me as a kid) and I really loved it.
Sho_Nuff82
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Lys Skygge
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I didn't know that The Twin Snakes was so hated until I joined GAF. I personally love it! So I would welcome a port to the switch 
This is probably about as controversial as it gets, but I honestly preferred having a weapon safety button hold versus relying on analog sensitivity for the PS2 games. It was always too damn tough to gauge just how much pressure you needed to not fire, especially for automatics, and the way that the Gamecube controller is laid out made it really natural to use that function. Not that I would want to go back to that after the improvements the series made that started in 4, but for its time, I thought it worked out great.
Schopenhauerian
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I would want to be careful to note that I dont think there was anything egregiously wrong or dumb about what Kitamura did. The analogy (for the change in direction/tone) that I used was Alien/Ridley Scott (MGS1) and Aliens/James Cameron (Twin Snakes), and clearly both of those films have their fans.
Also, I think think that some of the views I cited in the post linked above (e.g., this one from brandonh83 or this one from Thomas Morgan) are certainly not reducible to so dumb, much ungrounded and are carefully considered, well-expressed points of view.
LordRaptor
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Crawling through a tunnel while his internal organs are being literally microwaved is pretty damn out there, even if its not visually flashy
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Differences in opinion on taste and aesthetic are obviously not the same argument as people just dismissively calling MGS "realistic" and TTS "animu trash"
I imagine they may have if the game had actually been built around those controls rather than the controls the game was actually built to work with.
Rogue Agent
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In the original, I appreciated how Snake was just this normal badass guy - even in cutscenes. It made it all the more impressive how he overcame some of the flashy goofy OTT bosses who had superhuman abilities.
I just didn't get that same vibe in the remake since he did some crazy flashy stuff in the cutscenes.
I just didn't get that same vibe in the remake since he did some crazy flashy stuff in the cutscenes.
That one was always weird, since MGS3 was announced at the same time and it was made clear repeatedly that the game wouldn't have happened without the arrangement that Nintendo and Konami came to. I get wanting the entire series playable on platform, but MGS1 already was playable on the PS2.
The numerous rationalizations attempting to portray The Twin Snakes as being inferior to Metal Gear Solid typically stem from the fact that the remake was exclusive to the Nintendo GameCube.
I have no opinion on this "Dyack."
KojiKnight
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I recently replayed TTS via Dolphin... it's not a pretty game. The models suffer from quite a bit of jankiness, especially in the facial animation department.
That said, the gameplay still holds up well, and the new cutscenes really aren't that bad. Why is it so hard to believe that the ultimate warrior that is the clone of Big Boss can't be a little over the top action hero-y? And even in the realm of the game, it wouldn't even be near as over the top as half of the bosses that he's supposed to beat. For gods sake, the man single handedly takes down a giant multibillion dollar bi-pedal tank! And not secretly from behind a corner with explosives, but rather head on (okay, still with explosives... but still)
That said, the gameplay still holds up well, and the new cutscenes really aren't that bad. Why is it so hard to believe that the ultimate warrior that is the clone of Big Boss can't be a little over the top action hero-y? And even in the realm of the game, it wouldn't even be near as over the top as half of the bosses that he's supposed to beat. For gods sake, the man single handedly takes down a giant multibillion dollar bi-pedal tank! And not secretly from behind a corner with explosives, but rather head on (okay, still with explosives... but still)
Lol yeah just like all those people that say Bayonetta 2 is trash just because it's on Wii U right? No. People wanted Bayonetta 2 on other platforms, doesn't change the fact it was a damn good game.
Man people can't even come up with reasons the game is better so now we just say "hated because Nintendo exclusive"
As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet most of the people that stan for this game do so because it was a Nintendo exclusive
Whompa02
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Oh, I forgot I'd posted in that topic that video counterpoint to "oh, TTS cutscenes, so dumb, much ungrounded"
Are you saying a cyborg ninja can't jump around like...what a cyborg ninja would do?
Why don't you like the TTS cutscene where Snake jumps off a missile? Or does a backflip 360 to kick up a rifle and shoot Sniper Wolf?
Please.
ElBoxyBrown
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Isn't Silicon Knights just 5 people? How is this studio still alive?
Justin Bailey
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1) Dyack has zero control over this.
2) Twin Snakes cutscenes were bad. Just watch this. Watch it and tell me this is not terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mQKZMOzLs
2) Twin Snakes cutscenes were bad. Just watch this. Watch it and tell me this is not terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mQKZMOzLs
LFMartins86
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No, they don't. People have expressed why they think Twin Snakes is inferior to MGS and it makes sense.
KojiKnight
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It's really not that bad... It's action movie junkfood, yes... but this isn't even near the level of the villians in this very game in the original version.
mindatlarge
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I know there's a lot of hate for this remake. But I personally love it. Would buy it in a heartbeat.
Schopenhauerian
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It's at least an interesting history to consider, alongside the history of Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness:
What lol.
The game is a mcgyver simulator, dude's carrying every little stupid unrealistic weapon in his non existant pockets.
enbred
Banned
I thought Silicon Knights were dead! Blood Omen:Legacy of Kain is still my favorite game of all time. But after Too Human shenanigans though i kinda lost faith in them.
Funkyhamster
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Twin Snakes will always have a special place in my heart for getting me into MGS, and I have a lot of nostalgia for it. No analyses of its imbalanced gameplay can take that away from me (even if I agree with them).
I also didn't mind the cutscenes at all, even after playing MGS2 and MGS3. The series is already ridiculous enough that the added camp doesn't stick out that much to me.
Lots of people missing the sarcasm in this post.
I also didn't mind the cutscenes at all, even after playing MGS2 and MGS3. The series is already ridiculous enough that the added camp doesn't stick out that much to me.
Lots of people missing the sarcasm in this post.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah. I mean, if you're brand new to the series and looking to start with MGS1, my first recommendation would still be the PSX version. But if for whatever reason you just can't deal with PSX-era graphics, I really don't think that Twin Snakes represents some offensive affront to the spirit of the original. And if you've already played MGS1 and MGS2, I honestly think that it is -- at a bare minimum -- an interesting "what if?" experiment in terms of trying to fuse the best of both worlds. It doesn't completely work, but it's at least fun in the same way that checking out a competent fan remake using later tools is.
I certainly wouldn't call it the definitive version of Metal Gear Solid. But I also don't think it deserves to just be buried and forgotten.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It's not possible.
That's just released a major launch title for the Switch? Yeah.