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Microsoft needs more exclusives throughout the year
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Triggerhappytel
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I mean, I don't know why you're comparing the console market today with how it was 21-ish years ago, but okay. Maybe you could quantify your claims or maybe you could leave this unprovable hearsay at the door?
Also, comparing Sony literally getting into console development vs. Sega who'd been doing it for well over a decade and Sony being in the console market for over two decades and MS who's been in the market for almost two decades seems pretty disingenuous.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
You ran back to anecdotal 90's discussions to make a point about a forum thread in 2017? That's about as far a reach as I've seen in a long time. Point: Microsoft needs more exclusive software, regardless of what was going on with the PS1.
That's the right approach to take. The X is definitely a powerful console and a great piece of tech. It's strange though that there are people out here assuming that, for as great of a gaming device as the X is going to be, that it's going to change the fortunes of the Xbox One relative to PlayStation 4 and now the Switch, in any territory. That part just isn't going to happen. However, that shouldn't stop anyone who's interested in the X from buying it and falling in love with it.
I mean it looks like a really nicely developed piece of hardware. Sounds like a lot of care has gone in there. I mean the S version by itself was pretty nice looking. Sony's efforts are a touch functional in that respect.
Team Andromeda
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It's not just about the 90's. In the 90's SEGA had the In-House advantage that counted for little against the PS. The OG XBox didn't have many Japanese titles, even the 360 would always play 2nd fiddle to the PS and what SONY In-House teams could output or the support SONY could count on from Japanese publishers.
It's like people forget the XBox didn't have Tekken on it or Resident Evil, or Ace Combat, most of the so called ONLY ON XBox titles on the 360 ended up on the PS3 or that the 360 could never boast of any Yakuza or Persona title on it.
It's not much new, yes MS needs to do more, but at least it getting the Hardware part right and one can only hope, the software follows and that MS works again with SEGA and Fromsoftware
Same here. Only games I have for the One are all the Forza games and Gears. LOL
Triggerhappytel
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. What has this got to do with PS1 fans being hypocrites because "most of the best PS game were all on the PC and run and looked better"?
- "The OG XBox didn't have many Japanese titles"
I mean, define "many". Sega published tons of OG Xbox games (most of which were exclusive, as I recall) and other Japanese publishers like Namco, Koei, Konami and Capcom brought many games to the platform as well. What it was missing was many of the biggest Japanese third party games like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry and Tekken, but I suspect that's mainly because of Sony firing money cannons everywhere.
- "most of the so called ONLY ON XBox titles on the 360 ended up on the PS3"
I can't be bothered checking, but I think this is untrue.
This more than likely angled at things like Bioshock and Mass Effect, where it was prominently on the boxart and before the status quo of third party appearing on all systems was established.
Team Andromeda
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JSRF is the reason I got the XBox back in the day. Sadly SEGA backed the PS2 for more, so I hardly call SEGA great but limited OG XBox support, counting for wide spread Japanse support.
Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden 2, Lost Planet, Dead Rising
HeWhoWalks
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You're totally missing the point of topic - that Microsoft needs to do something (this is how brands stay afloat, after all). What happened 10/15/20+ years ago is irrelevant.
Uno Venova
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The fake good guy. It was the long con.
Now I need to know which one is the real Microsoft, and the Fake Nintendo. 0_0
Team Andromeda
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Get real, MS earns more in 6 months than most countries total GDP. MS isn't going anywhere soon and it wouldn't be wasted 3 years or spending millions on R&D for the XBox One X. It's not even 20 years ago, but last gen it had all much 360 had much the same issues of lacking In-House teams, lack of exclusives compared to SONY. And speaking of last gen, when SONY was losing billions upon billions (not to mention market share) I saw no-one here saying SONY are pulling out or going to quit.
Melchiah
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There's an infamous prediction thread for this generation, where people believed Sony was going to bow out of the race.
... That's because people were saying Sony would be shutting down. It's actually a miracle they were able to turn it around. Also last gen Xbox wasn't lacking in exclusives till like the last 2 years. They were still able to get 3rd party exclusives from Western and Japanese developers. They dried up this gen leaving only first party left.
Triggerhappytel
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Tons of people thought Sony were going to bow out this gen. I think most of us thought MS would be on top with Sony and Ninty bringing up the rear, until MS fluffed everything in 2013 particularly.
Anyway, MS earning a lot of money doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't be trying harder with exclusive software and new IPs. You don't need to be so defensive about every comment against them.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
They release more controllers than they do games. They don't even have anything that looks good to me coming out for the remainder of the year.
Which Universe did you teleport from? Tell me, did Trump win in that one too?
DriftingSpirit
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Blatantly false lol.
Uno Venova
Banned
Holy shit lol
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Oh dear... Yeah, with this, we're done. You're completely out of tune.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You've been all over the place and incorrect with all of it.
What he said is true, but it's not our fault he doesn't look hard enough.
Miniature Kaiju
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Berenstein Bears timeline.
GHG
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Is this what happens when a persecution complex goes too far?
Dee Dah Dave
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They need a couple of new IP's in 'non standard for Xbox' genres. Single player interactive movies are dangerous too so forget them.
I would make something which rivals a Nintendo style game. Either a great platformer or something else. I still think Ori could be given the full 3D AAA treatment and be Xbox's Zelda / Metroid Prime.
Then something which caters to their strength, Xbox Live. A huge multiplayer game with persistent worlds and endless gameplay. Something not yet done before, and opportunity for microtransactions galore! They have Minecraft for this but still, online games and streaming and stuff is where it's at these days.
Also maybe a cool arcade sports game. There aren't enough of those these days
I would make something which rivals a Nintendo style game. Either a great platformer or something else. I still think Ori could be given the full 3D AAA treatment and be Xbox's Zelda / Metroid Prime.
Then something which caters to their strength, Xbox Live. A huge multiplayer game with persistent worlds and endless gameplay. Something not yet done before, and opportunity for microtransactions galore! They have Minecraft for this but still, online games and streaming and stuff is where it's at these days.
Also maybe a cool arcade sports game. There aren't enough of those these days
daTRUballin
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Lol what? Did I miss a newfound meme in this thread or something?
FinaruDensetsu
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Agreed with a lot of what you were saying but you're completely wrong about people not saying Sony was going out of business. Everyone here was predicting that after the disaster of the PS3. Maybe you weren't reading GAF back then?
What?! Not even Cuphead??
Team Andromeda
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Where ?
Team Andromeda
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No Fake news ... Let's see in 2011 SONY lost $3.1b, in 2012 SONY lost $6.4 billion, in 2013 Sony lost $0.5 billon, in 2014 SONY lost $1.29 Billion. So in 5 years, SONY lost over $10 billion dollars and noone here, was saying it was the end of SONY or the PS3 and they would pull out.
MS, on the other hand, is done for despite posting profits, even in the XBox division.
gundamkyoukai
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The 360 had a lot going for it which you seem not to understand .
It had loads of exclusive early on because it was the first next gen system and they invest in Japanese games .
It had a year lead in the USA and 15 months in EU and price advantage .
Better performing games , early DLC and marketing deals and better online systems and OS .
To say 360 had the same problems as Xb1 is crazy looking at all the factors .
More than ever MS needs games to set them apart since they don't have the advantages they had with 360 .
Also a lot of people were saying Sony in trouble or going to drop out etc etc .
In fact we had people saying the console market was in trouble on the whole .
Actually it's far form the ps4 launch, ps4 had better 3rd at $100 less than the competition. X Will be $100 more if not $150 more for the holidays.
Let me introduce you to this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489769
Some quotes just on Page 1:
"Sony will be vaporized, that's all I know."
"Sony 3rd, drops out of console business"
"Sony will drop out of the race."
"sony will be the new sega"
"Sony = Doomed, they lost all the big exlusives"
MatrixMan.EXE
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You say this, despite the fact that we had a massive thread before this generation started on GAF where most people "predicted" the PS4 failing and it being the end of Sony? Because of how they were losing money hand over fist and the fact the Vita was failing.
Crayon
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Just some funny sonytoos.
YES THEY WERE. WHERE WERE YOU. Also PlayStation was the one of the only Profitable sections they had. It would of been spun out or went down with Sony.
You sure that currency isn't in Yen? Got a link?
And someone just posted a topic a couple of days ago about how the Xbox brand has never made a profit. Not sure how credible it was, but it definitely contradicts your claim.
Instead of senseless comments, please offer debate or insight. One sentence replies are shameful. He is right. Microsoft as a company is more healthier than Sony, especially before and during the 360 years. Sony was bleeding money from heavy losses on tvs, cameras, etc. They were doing so bad they hired an outside CEO for the first time to make cuts.
Goalus
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Gears 2 should indeed get a remaster.
Gears 3 and J are good-looking enough imho (in fact I couldn't believe they were 360 games when I played them), they should invest the effort of remastering them somewhere else instead.
So, you consider a Jaguar to be a hugely powerful CPU?
Also, it's "bode well", not "bold well".
Anyway, talk of Xbox One X is a bit off-topic in here. It doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft-exclusive game releases.
And it looks like this thread is being treated to another meltdown. Sony Too™ ^2
Night Angel
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Microsoft as a company has nothing to do with the health of the XBOX division. People who bring that up are generally doing so with an agenda.
I don't think it's the financials of Sony and Microsoft that people are questioning. It's the part about everybody being mean to Microsoft now and nobody saying that Sony would fail at the end of last gen, and the poster ignoring evidence showing otherwise
Read what Team Andromeda actually wrote. His entire argument is that despite Sony's troubles none here wrote about Sony getting out of video games business. He doubled down on that. His argument is blatantly false. Never mind that ridiculously thread from 2013 or the infamous Amir's "Age of Sony is done..." post and other posts like that, but there were in fact serious talk here and within tech community at large about how PlayStation should separate from Sony and spin off into a separate entity. Team Andromeda is living in his own world if he believes otherwise. Furthermore, Microsoft's overall financial situation doesn't dictate if they stay in the Xbox hardware business. Talking about Microsoft at large is like bringing up about struggles of Sony Pictures when talking about financial situation of PlayStation.
Duxxy3
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But I wanna play them all in 60fps!!
Deputy Moonman
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While you may very well be right, let's not pretend that the upgrade from the ps4 to the ps4 pro is even close to the upgrade from the xbox one to the xbox one x lol. There are a lot of xbox owners who are pretty excited to play xbox games that will be much improved. Phil Spencer also said the one x isn't supposed to be a big system seller. Its a niche console for enthusiasts wanting a more powerful system. I think 10% would be an okay number, but I'd hope for 20-30%. I don't know if the 4k blu ray player will be the same from the one s, hopefully not, but an improved 4k blu ray player could easily justify the 100 dollars more when you consider most current players are 200+ dollars alone. The nicer ones are 400-500 dollars. So it's not unreasonable to think that that could also entice someone to go for the more expensive console. From what I've read, the one s 4k blu ray player is just okay, but not great. So hopefully they improve it with the one x.
Papacheeks
Banned
So there's this which shows you the opposite of that your were talking about.
Second yea 2014 financials will be tough because of R&D among other things from their launches in 2013, and in other territories in 2014.
Also the biggest thing you keep saying is "Sony" we are talking about profitability of a division not the whole company.
Playstation division is literally helping the rest of the company that's how well it is doing. They are not losing money in that division anymore it is self sustaining. The same can not be said for xbox since there are more thing's that have happened and impacted it's growth, and recovery for operating income.
That link above shows in 2016 that the "Playstation Division" accounted for 78% of Q1 "Profits".
We are talking about exclusives aka software aka that link provided talks about how much software they are selling offsets any loses or costs from the division. Xbox needs more software to attract new customers and spur their current audience in buying new software. Making GAAS works if your playerbase is big in those types of games, and if you have a big player base to begin with which currently xbox has an issue with.
The foundation that Xbox division lacks in studios and long term partnerships is finally showing it's ugly head and is why the brand is in the state it's in period.