Would you buy an online game where people have any sort of advantage over you?
Because chances are, you already have.
Better TV's
Better Internet
Using a mouse on an FPS game
You may not have realized it, but it happens.
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MP games will run at the same framerate across PS4 Pro and standard PS4
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Would you buy an online game where people have any sort of advantage over you?
Because chances are, you already have.
Better TV's
Better Internet
Using a mouse on an FPS game
You may not have realized it, but it happens.
Haha, that would be funny, to try to replicate the same framerate drops.
It'll probably run smoother. I'm guessing this means it has to have the same target framerate. Can't be 30 on one and 60 on the other but can target 60 on both and hit it more consistently.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Of course we do. From what we've seen so far any improvement is marginal at best. No UHD Blurray support. 4K isn't even mainstream and probably will never be (it'll be like the EDTV, just watch). This system was a waste of time, money and manpower.
It's actually a thing, but the only context I know of where people try to do it is arcade ports.
I'm sure here they only mean target framerates.
mocolostrocolos
Member
JUST GIMME DESTINY IN 60FPS GODDAMIT
Maybe they'll make an exception given competitive MP is kind of a farce there anyway.
DrakeDeception
Neo Member
Welp if this is the case for Scorpio as well then I'm not sure if I'm getting either system until the price drops.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Stupid decision and wouldn't make much difference anyway. Another reason not to buy.
Both Sony and ms have no clue what so called hardcore gamers want. Pro tip it isn't 4k .
Both Sony and ms have no clue what so called hardcore gamers want. Pro tip it isn't 4k .
Chû Totoro
Member
I have the PS Poor so sorry future PS4 Pro owners :/
Still it seems logical to keep MP games well balanced.
Still it seems logical to keep MP games well balanced.
Microsoft did it with the Xbox Elite controller and its communities didn't fall apart.
The PC has been doing it since the dawn of man yet its communities haven't fallen apart either.
No 60fps No Man's Sky?
Keeping it running at 30 first would be a good idea.
Guardian down.
If that's true they should disable surround sound in multiplayer because not everyone wants to spend the extra money on a system that gives them better positional awareness. It's not fair, right?
I also thought most people didn't care about frame rate? Now suddenly it's not cool because someone might pay more for it? No one cared or could tell a difference until there's some sort of perceived edge?
So the Pro is only worthwhile for single player games?
I also thought most people didn't care about frame rate? Now suddenly it's not cool because someone might pay more for it? No one cared or could tell a difference until there's some sort of perceived edge?
So the Pro is only worthwhile for single player games?
cookie-monster
Member
guess what, people already have different net connections, different response times on their TVs, SSDs/SSHDs. The level playing field is a myth.
Felix Lighter
Member
I don't expect many games will increase framerate anyway. The console seems so unbalanced with the added GPU power and just a minor overclocked CPU. Effects, resolution bumps, I can see but the CPU has to be a ball and chain for framerate for games not already targeting 60 fps.
molnizzle
Member
This is all I wanted. So fucking disappointed today.
HoodWinked
Member
so BF4 on PS4 ran between 44-60fps. so would the ps4 pro mimic these frame drops or would it just run at the capped 60fps.
Its not as if games would not run at the same framerate period considering they are still using jaguar. The only difference is the FPS will be much smoother on PRO. So they will both be targeting 60fps in BF1, but only Pro will hit that goal consistently
petran79
Banned
By the sound of these "new" consoles, I expected them to start emulating PC gaming just a bit (you can pay more for a better console with better fps/graphics). If someone paid for the better, more expensive console, then they should get the better graphics. Outside of the hardcore competitive scene, most players don't get a major advantage or disadvantage from 30fps vs. 60fps gameplay wise. Most people, myself included, just want to have a better looking, smoother experience and are willing to pay a little extra to get that. I'm willing to bet that the really hardcore competitive players would get the Pro regardless because higher graphics=easier to see targets at long range, etc., so why not give the more casual players a little something?
I play some single player stuff(Stuff like Uncharted 4 or Witcher 3 mainly, occasional indie), but those usually only last for ~20 hours if they're well made (witcher is the definite exception). They're still definitely worth the cost, but I put way more time into multiplayer titles, like Destiny, World of Tanks, Overwatch, etc. because they really have a lot more to do IMO, so I tend to look more at the fps for those since that's where I spend more of my gaming time.
I play some single player stuff(Stuff like Uncharted 4 or Witcher 3 mainly, occasional indie), but those usually only last for ~20 hours if they're well made (witcher is the definite exception). They're still definitely worth the cost, but I put way more time into multiplayer titles, like Destiny, World of Tanks, Overwatch, etc. because they really have a lot more to do IMO, so I tend to look more at the fps for those since that's where I spend more of my gaming time.
There goes yet another reason to buy this hardware. I was holding off on a playstation purchase to see what would be done with exclusive titles like Destiny/Bloodborne on the PS4P, but if they're going to keep intentionally gimping what is supposedly a premium experience then what's the point? By this logic they shouldn't offer anything more than stereo sound and 4:3 in case struggle players lose at Bloodborne PvP.
Funny how the PC supports all manner of arbitrary resolutions, image quality, audio, and input setups while simultaneously being where almost all of the major competitive play happens.
Funny how the PC supports all manner of arbitrary resolutions, image quality, audio, and input setups while simultaneously being where almost all of the major competitive play happens.
This is what I assume to be the case.
No just fuck the poor like it happens everywhere else in the world. Why not in the console world too?
This was expected and one of the many reasons why I don't like this trend.
Now every developer have 2 consoles to develop a game, they know they can't target a different framerate for multiplayer but at the same time they know they can achieve 60fps with the PS4 Pro but will never be able to reach it with PS4 Basic, so what will they do?
I'm betting 99% of the games will just target 60fps and then they will just have the PS4 Basic suffer from heavily unstable framerate or drop the effects in multiplayer to make it reach 60fps for the majority of the time. In the end PS4 Basic owners will suffer from this and/or PS4 Pro owners will not get everything they could and the same will happen 12 months from now when Microsoft does their thing as well.
A mess in my opinion.
They aren't going to mimmick the same framerate drops with a more powerful hardware. Since the hardware will not be as constrained the game will run as it should, which will most likely be 60fps under most circunstances unlike PS4 Basic. They can't just target 30fps for PS4 Basic and 60fps for PS4 Pro.
Now every developer have 2 consoles to develop a game, they know they can't target a different framerate for multiplayer but at the same time they know they can achieve 60fps with the PS4 Pro but will never be able to reach it with PS4 Basic, so what will they do?
I'm betting 99% of the games will just target 60fps and then they will just have the PS4 Basic suffer from heavily unstable framerate or drop the effects in multiplayer to make it reach 60fps for the majority of the time. In the end PS4 Basic owners will suffer from this and/or PS4 Pro owners will not get everything they could and the same will happen 12 months from now when Microsoft does their thing as well.
A mess in my opinion.
They aren't going to mimmick the same framerate drops with a more powerful hardware. Since the hardware will not be as constrained the game will run as it should, which will most likely be 60fps under most circunstances unlike PS4 Basic. They can't just target 30fps for PS4 Basic and 60fps for PS4 Pro.
Complicated
Banned
Variables that already give advantages in multiplayer games on Sony consoles:
Sony already has cross platform games with the PC. They are already allowing their players to play at what they call a disadvantage. This is bullshit.
- Internet Speed
- Proximity to servers
- TV
- Controllers
- Headsets
- Framerate
- Resolution
Sony already has cross platform games with the PC. They are already allowing their players to play at what they call a disadvantage. This is bullshit.
enixbelmont
Member
Is this confirmation of no 60 FPS bloodborne?
That game is basically always multiplayer, with invasions and co-op etc.
That game is basically always multiplayer, with invasions and co-op etc.
Yeah doesn't make any sense, I'm sure they can reverse their policy on this.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
console gamers already play multiplayer games using televisions that vary in image output latency and sometimes with specialized controllers. I don't understand this.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
FUCKING LOL!
VolticArchangel
Member
This is heartbreaking...
At least 1080p60 for NioH should be allowed, since it already had 3 modes in the recent Beta Demo, as opposed to two in the alpha.
SONY PLS.