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MP games will run at the same framerate across PS4 Pro and standard PS4
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For months we have known that the specs of the Pro did not align with taking existing PS4 games from 30fps to 60fps...the CPU boost just isn't there...
What we got was a significantly more powerful GPU...which lends itself to higher resolutions, and prettier graphics...
If the developer documents that leaked are to be believed (they had the specs spot on)...than 1080p is the minimum res for Pro games...and the framerate will almost CERTAINLY be smoother than on the OG PS4...
Will it be a rock solid 60fps? Idk...but I would put money on it being at least 1080p and a smoother framerate than the OG PS4 version
No online advantage?
Yet this is on your website Sony?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/accessories/tac-pro-for-playstation-4/
This feels like the return of PS3 Sony.
Yet this is on your website Sony?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/accessories/tac-pro-for-playstation-4/
This feels like the return of PS3 Sony.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Why would this even be up to Sony.... It's going to be an enforced standard?
Seems like it should be up to devs, considering that frame rate is just one of many reasons why one player could have an advantage over another. Can't imagine it would be a bigger factor than poorly matched player skill or even latency. I play BF Hardline on PS4 and I see folks with shit latency all the time.
I mean, especially considering how many games have online-enabled modes...GTA V for example... MP and SP are not separate engine loads. You load the core game and you switch between MP and SP no different than switching between Michael and Trevor.
Seems like it should be up to devs, considering that frame rate is just one of many reasons why one player could have an advantage over another. Can't imagine it would be a bigger factor than poorly matched player skill or even latency. I play BF Hardline on PS4 and I see folks with shit latency all the time.
I mean, especially considering how many games have online-enabled modes...GTA V for example... MP and SP are not separate engine loads. You load the core game and you switch between MP and SP no different than switching between Michael and Trevor.
I haven't been keeping up with the threads with the leaks. I just knew Neo was a thing.
Just because it happens on PC doesn't mean it's the way it should be. You want as much of an even playing field as possible, especially since you're paying to play against others.
This leads me to thinking about how we would treat this news if a PC developer decided to cap FPS on their competitive games to help out gamers with lesser rigs. That would be ridiculous. You paid money for a better PC to play the game, just like you would (presumabely) pay money for an upgraded PS4Pro to have better FPS and visual fidelity. I think it's a bad move, and does not give consumers who already have a PS4 any more incentive (and as for me, less) to upgrade.
duhmetree
Member
Destiny 2 is 2017
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Please be true!!!
MissCauthon
Member
Can't they just let us PS4 PRO players queue with each other? and if you want to play with your friend it puts you at 30fps. bleh
When you relate it to PC's that's a strong argument.
duhmetree
Member
This is it right here...
For the most part however, Destiny is the one game that is stuck at 30fps for multiplayer. We'll have to see what they do, I'm sure Bungie will address it soon.
PC is a different animal though. People are free to choose how they want to play. They can attempt higher framerates and lower fidelity to suit them, or might only be able to play at low framerates, but still want to play, or want to play with a gamepad rather than mouse and keyboard - it doesn't matter.
In an ecosystem of 2 systems and no choice for the lower spec system to adapt for those that might want to, it matters - just as it does for those on PC who can't play how they want and do care about about playing without compromise
Chezzymann
Member
I'm not liking the PS4 pro concept. If they want a more powerful console, they should go all in. Either make a new generation or take the iOS model. This half step weirdness is just confusing to consumers.
Tallshortman
Member
It's almost certainly going to be better framerates IF it's under the framerate target. I would put money on games naturally running 30 or 60 as opposed to constant dips you may see otherwise.
BigEmil
Junior Member
They should do this.
Enable 60fps in multiplayer leave on for example like in Destiny you and others are in a team against the game enemies.
But in PvP turn it to same fps as the OG PS4
Enable 60fps in multiplayer leave on for example like in Destiny you and others are in a team against the game enemies.
But in PvP turn it to same fps as the OG PS4
I remember time ago on my PC laptop, had to put it at lowest settings on Counter Strike and I ranged from 35-50fps
LelouchZero
Member
If this is true this sucks. We have higher frame-rates in multiplayer on PC. Oh well.
I guess it's apart of delivering an equal gameplay experience.
I guess it's apart of delivering an equal gameplay experience.
No it does not make sense. There is always going to be unfair advantages. Are they going to ban Scuff controllers which are a bigger advantage than frame rate. Are they going to lag out low ping users to even the playing field. It is just stupid to do this and I say this as someone who is not buying a pro. If a person wants to spend the cash they should get the benefit.
You make a fair point - but this would be a massive advantage compared to your list...
BrettHeazy
Member
Do we know if COD IW will be running at 4k 60fps for MP?
edit- or is it just upscaled 4K?
edit- or is it just upscaled 4K?
The Omega Man
Member
And too think they are people who when given the choice they will choose more effects at 30fps because there are no advantages gameplay wise with higher frame rate, or so they thought.
Uh I don't understand why people are complaining about this.
I have no plans now to buy a PS4 Pro and will just be getting a scorpio, however, this is sensible and I can see that Microsoft will come out with the same mandate for multiplayer.
You can't have competitive multiplayer running at different frame rates as this gives the higher framerate user an advantage.
What I'd expect to see is more use of dynamic scaling, thereby the xbox one\ps4 versions running at 60fps also but compromising on resolution a la' halo 5. Therefore the issue becomes mute as the lower power console is also hitting a lower resolution but maintaining a higher framerate, e.g. battfield one running at 720p on xbox one but at 60fps.
Having the same mandate for a single player game would be stupid obviously, even when online co-op is concerned as that shouldn't matter because each version's player will have a choice as to who they play with and so I'd be see framerate differences.
I have no plans now to buy a PS4 Pro and will just be getting a scorpio, however, this is sensible and I can see that Microsoft will come out with the same mandate for multiplayer.
You can't have competitive multiplayer running at different frame rates as this gives the higher framerate user an advantage.
What I'd expect to see is more use of dynamic scaling, thereby the xbox one\ps4 versions running at 60fps also but compromising on resolution a la' halo 5. Therefore the issue becomes mute as the lower power console is also hitting a lower resolution but maintaining a higher framerate, e.g. battfield one running at 720p on xbox one but at 60fps.
Having the same mandate for a single player game would be stupid obviously, even when online co-op is concerned as that shouldn't matter because each version's player will have a choice as to who they play with and so I'd be see framerate differences.
It actually not a problem, Sony just trying to solve a problem that not even exist....
I'm baffled by some of the posts in this thread. It sounds like some seriously believe that an MP game on standard PS4 running in 60 FPS with frequent dips way below the target (like BF4 64p Conquest) is mandated to have the exact same dips on Pro. That's obviously not the case and it's allowed and likely to run without any dips.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Does it give that much of an advantage? If so its the right move.
Exactly.
So while a 30fps multiplayer game will not have an unlocked framerate on the Pro, a 60fps game or game with an unlocked framerate will run smoother/ suffer from less framerate drops on the pro.
The only way they'll ensure IDENTICAL performance is if the Pro runs in some sort of Legacy Mode where the cpu and gpu clocks are downclocked to the same as the original PS4.
There are similar discussions in other threads but in my mind the Pro will result in smoother framerates regardless of whether a game is patched or not. In a game with an unlocked framerate the Pro will likely run at a higher framerate, and a 30fps game with drops on the original PS4 will likely run smoother too.
All that's happening with regards to multiplayer is the frame rate limit or cap, will be the same.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
PS4 Pro will likely run these MP games with way less framerate drops so Pro owners still get value. When Battlefield 1 is dropping to 40fps on the base model it might only dip 55fps on the Pro. That's just a hypothetical example.
toastyToast
Member
I could play on a low latency monitor or buy one of those controllers with paddles to get a competitive advantage but I can't play the game at 60fps
Wasn't looking to buy one of these now I really don't wanna buy their ice cream sandwich monstrosity
Wasn't looking to buy one of these now I really don't wanna buy their ice cream sandwich monstrosity
My example with Battlefield 4 is not the best example, because that is not confirmed to be getting a Pro patch, so if for whatever dumb reason a legacy mode with downclocks exists, unpatched games will only see marginal improvements if any.
Battlefield 1 is a better example. It will likely have a very unstable 64p Conquest framerate on PS4, but is obviously allowed to run fully locked 60 on Pro.
The above is exactly how I see things panning out. The better hardware will result in brute force improvements to framerate in those games that suffer from framerate drops etc
The same principle applies to any software and hardware, whether it be pc, or games running on mobiles, tablets etc. More powerful hardware will provide performance improvements. The only way it won't is if some sort of artificial limits are imposed or there is indeed a legacy mode.
What will likely happen on top of that though is Pro owners will have more AA, higher res textures etc if a specific patch is released. Also while many people are making a big deal about framerate parity, you're aware resolution can make a big difference in first person shooters right? Seriously play a game at 4k and you can spot the tiniest details more clearly. It's not as though there's going to be a resolution cap for parity lol.
And you'll get exactly that. Read some posts on this page.
I would imagine that for most consumers (who aren't accustomed to PC gaming) that hearing that there is a difference between systems, that could give one an advantage would pretty much kill any excitement they had towards multiplayer. It doesn't matter how small a window that actually is, because if you have to explain it like that, than you're the bad guy. Microsoft could easily come out and say "There's a framerate lock on our system" and all of the Call of Duty kids would flock over to them.
You're right, although I see the flip side too.
Imagine one console having the "advantage" little Johnny and his friends would want to have the console with the better framerate lol
Same framerate target does not mean running the same framerate at all times.
MetalGearZed
Member
This is one of those things that sound like it should be a problem, but really isn't, but people still act like it is.
Most games that pretty much must have a 60fps already has it. SFV for example. but Battlefield? eh. If you really care about getting the best frames is that important to you, you were gonna get the Pro anyway or you already play on PC. Also i really agree that this shouldn't apply to co-op
Like voter id fraud
Most games that pretty much must have a 60fps already has it. SFV for example. but Battlefield? eh. If you really care about getting the best frames is that important to you, you were gonna get the Pro anyway or you already play on PC. Also i really agree that this shouldn't apply to co-op
For some reason this announcement really revealed how most people don't understand how framerate works especially in a uncontrolled environment like multiplayer considering many expect that everything will be the same (even in patched games).
You simply can't replicate the entire scenarios that create framedrops on OG PS4 (unless you cap the specs available to run MP game) because maybe one is when 12 players are inside building C while a plane is fighting a tank outside, while a explosion from a smoke grenade starts to kick in. In that scenario the OG PS4 specs will not be enough to be able to mantain the 60fps target, which causes it to drop. On PS4 Pro specs maybe the constraint isn't there because of the upgraded GPU and upclocked CPU, which maintains a constant 60fps.
And as a OG PS4 owner what is more scary is that developers will probably start be more ambitious on their games which will make MP on OG PS4 to start running at lower resolutions than usual just to maintain the required 60fps to comply with this requirement.
bltn
Member
Right, by better I don't mean going from 20 to 30 fps or something like that. I'd like a solid 60. I should've been clearer with that.
