LeeRoyBrown
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The bible is made up anyway, as far as I'm concerned he can believe whatever he wants.
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Murdoch: Since when are Egyptians not white?
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That are what folks are saying, it just so happens every time there is a movie about ancient Egypt all the people in charge seems to be white. Folks are just asking for diversity for accuracy
The Old Testament, and the Old Jewish texts were definately romanticized, but they were generally based off of pre-existing history.
Someone earlier in the thread called it Historical Fiction. Similar to how the Illiad worked.
Moses most likely existed and most likely did something important, but his magic powers were made up by David and heroics were made up by David. The other people most likely existed too
Im not disagreeing woth this statement either, I would love to see a culturally diverse Egyptian movie. There was an argument though about specific race in Ancient Egypt, and im just bringing historical context to that specific debate so it can end and we can focus on whitewashing in Hollywood
in order for there to have been white pharaohs though, the white people had to come from gold stock!!
white european people don't come from any high value gold at all. no gem stones or any trading stock of significance or wealth.
what? rhubarb, copper, mushrooms and thistles?
nope!
the world was run on gold so only africa, india and china would apply in this scenario.
you had to have a big backyard of gold to be considered a king.
@kinyou
knowledge doesn't ascribe to ignorance or race per-say, but when that same knowledge has been tortured, castrated and beaten out of you and your people for no other reason than your skin tone, there are consequences.....
octave one
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well its a big deal to people who aren't white I guess. It just shows the inherit racism in hollywood, the fact that you don't see a problem is a perfect example of the effects that its had. Main characters are almost ALWAYS white. Shining white night in the see of brown pepole.
……forgetit
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Do people not realize Egypt us in Africa? Egyptians are literally by definition black.
Africa/=black.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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He should stick to business; he obviously knows nothing about historical accuracy.
What?
There were plenty of ways to make ludicrous sums of money in Ancient Egypt that had nothing to do with Gold. And even then, one does not need to start out with gold to trade for it. It could be a service, diplomatic ties, providing knowledge, trade of goods, and an incredible sort of different things. Hell, you could just be a charismatic priest/priestess and make boatloads of money and consolidate your power.
This is also ignoring there was a shit ton of silver in Greece, and other European parts.
vas_a_morir
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They are precious in His sight.
……forgetit
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Good point, middle eastern actually, black more relates to Sub-Saharan Africans, but I have seen it used to refer to anyone of African decent.
vas_a_morir
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Were they duds, though? Critical failures, but I think they always made big money, somehow.
That's not the impression I get reading on the subject. It's been years since I've read about it, but as I recall, there are no records of the Egyptians enslaving the Jews nor of a mass migration of former slaves from the region. This makes Exodus suspect because in this period of Egyptian history, Egyptians were known for keeping immaculate records of things.
So what does this mean?
Well, as background, it is well-known that Levantine peoples had been regularly migrating throughout the area for centuries. My personal opinion is that Exodus is a relic of a pre-Hebrew migration of possibly Levantine peoples from Egypt to modern day Israel/Palestine where they merged with a separate existing population. Once coalesced, and after the formalization of Judaism, these migrants identities as Jewish were retconed.
I agree.
I feel like there would be more outcry about an all-black Egyptian movie than an all-white Egyptian movie. That's fucked up.
put up my duce!
Oh most definitely, there were not Jewish slaves in Egypt, and even if they were , they would be tiny in number. That entire idea was made up by David.
Im just saying that the "characters" were most likely real, just the events weren't. Moses probably existed, just not under that capacity
bengraven
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But are you black, m8?
(I don't know what he sounds like, I'm just making a joke and referencing the Bit of Fry and Laurie skit)
That's fair
That's pretty ignorant. A shitton of Egyptian people are black, but a shitton are not. Africa might be the most diverse continent in the world, in culture and demographics. Some of my relatives are of Moroccan descent, and they all identify as (and look) white. The difference between Tunisia and Kenya is about as big as the difference between Poland and China.
vas_a_morir
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A shitton, of course, being a biblical unit of measurement denoting '22 and 3' people.
BeatnikGunsoo
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Prince of Egypt will be the better Moses movie probably more visually accurate too
Succinct Verbosity
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Rupert Murdoch letting his human mask slip a little to reveal that he is, in fact, still Lucifer.
Everyone originated from Africa.
Oh they would mad ass hell. That is why I can't wait until the Black Panther movie, an African country being the second most advanced in the world? They tweets will be glorious.
Cleopatra was of mixed Greek and Persian lineages. Some like to speculate that she had Egyptian in her too. It's not unlikely, but there is no historical evidence to support the claim. What is known however, it that the Ptolemaic Dynasty practiced incest and refused to assimilate.
However, the Ptolemy were not simply a foreign ruling class. There were considerable numbers of Greeks living in Egypt at the time. For example, those Fayum masks were painted by Greek painters (however, the are paintings of different groups of people). But what should be noted is that it's unlikely that they were so numerous that they were able to dramatically change the ethnic composition of region - from the little I've read on it it seems that the modern population of Egypt is genetically the same as the ancient population.
I don't know enough about the history of North Africa. Is it believed that Berber people came from Europe?
Metallix87
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WTF are you going on about?
GameGuru59
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This. It would be one thing if ALL the actors were white, ala Charlton Heston movies. But it's pretty fucking disgusting that all the background characters and the evil characters are darker skinned while the good Jewish people are white. Fuck this movie.It's also pretty creepy that most of the dark-skinned characters are relegated to the background:
Foxy Fox 39
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I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix. Otherwise I'm not seeing it
Never mind, he was of mixed Swiss / Russian / whatever
His father, Boris Yuliyevich Briner, was a mining engineer whose father, Jules Briner, was a Swiss citizen who moved to Vladivostok in the 1870s and established a successful import/export company.[7] Brynner's paternal grandmother, Natalya Yosifovna Kurkutova, was a native of Irkutsk and a Eurasian of part Buryat ancestry.
Lovely Salsa
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White? What is white anyways? So many definitions
In northern Europe meaning is: All northern europeans are white, most central europeans, minority of southern europeans. Everyone else is not white, unless the person has european ancestry and looks white/northern european.
America: All of europe, north africa and middle east are white?
In northern Europe meaning is: All northern europeans are white, most central europeans, minority of southern europeans. Everyone else is not white, unless the person has european ancestry and looks white/northern european.
America: All of europe, north africa and middle east are white?
I remembered him from another thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=118601852#post118601852
yeah...
GameGuru59
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Wasn't his mother mulatto?
Majority of northern africans are caucasians, and eastern africans looks more white than the typical african american because of the different descent. Egiptians aren't "black" or "white", they are mediterranean with various influences from different places, exactly as they are now. They're like Southern europeans, more tanned on average, and with more curly hairs. But i guess for a nation of immigrants it may not seems as obvious that people look similar to their neighbours.
The worst part about the film is the racial profiling in the roles (like really? at least older films had only whites, this is way worse imho) and the fact that Scott didn't even bother to tell his actors to get a tan.
The worst part about the film is the racial profiling in the roles (like really? at least older films had only whites, this is way worse imho) and the fact that Scott didn't even bother to tell his actors to get a tan.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Depending on the severity of this, I might actually just not bother with Blade Runner 2 or Prometheus 2, either. There's no sense in supporting a director/writer who should know better-and has done better-in the past.
Typecasting and stereotyping isn't the diversity people are ok with.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I think the whole white Egyptian thing comes from Shakespeare plays. So does Roman/Greek people speaking in british accents.
No. They are native to Africa.
kruis
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Looking at the cast that's not true. There's a black actor playing Moses' general for instance. The actors in this movie come from all over the place. There are British, American, Persian, Spanish, Indian, Turkish and Arab actors in the movie. It's clear that Egypt is portrayed as a multi cultural country. It's economics that makes it necessary to cast famous (white) actors in these roles. People want to see a biblical movie starring Christian Bale and Sigourney Weaver, not Ayoub El Hilali and Golshifteh Farahani.
kruis
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The Greeks were a dominant civilization in the Ancient Era, their language was the lingua franca of the day, but still they weren't able to oust Egyptian culture. Coptic, the liturgical language of the Christian Copts is the direct descendant of Ancient Egyptian, the language spoken by the Pharaohs four thousand years ago. It's now a dead language but it was spoken in Egypt as late as the 17th century.
Byakuya769
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Yeah, no. I can't speak for anywhere that I haven't lived but in the south, Florida and mid-Atlantic, Christian blacks I know didn't and don't think that. Now, they may have art work that looks like that but they're just as likely to have "Afro" Jesus too.
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