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Mushihimesama (Steam) |OT| More "bugs" than Batman!
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SmiteOfHand
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It is based on the 360 port and has the Ver 1.5 mode as DLC which the PS2 version did not have. I believe the arrange mode is similar but had some changes but I've never played the PS2 version.
E: Giveaway is done. Thanks for all who entered and congrats to the winners!
OmegaDL50
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Nope. It's closer to the 360 port which is more faithful to the Arcade release.
Professor Renegade
Banned
I remember when I was a kid I searched up "hardest video game boss" on YouTube, and a clip from the Japanese version of this game came up. It was the first time that I saw a bullet hell game, so I was amazed and almost scared in a way. I wanna get it now.
SmiteOfHand
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http://steamcommunity.com/app/377860/discussions/0/496880503074828985/
Opt-in beta is live if anyone with the crash bug wants to give it a go. I am sure the more people who try the better.
(Probably goes without saying, but just in case, make sure you disable GeDoSaTo)
Opt-in beta is live if anyone with the crash bug wants to give it a go. I am sure the more people who try the better.
(Probably goes without saying, but just in case, make sure you disable GeDoSaTo)
Tyrant Rave
Banned
"The main change is that it creates a log that we can use to track the cause of the crash bug."
They dont read the forums or GAF it seems...but ok they want to make sure there is more than one cause.
And even then it'd look off cause the score displays and stuff were pixel perfect at 240p. Best case might be like the SDOJ port where it seems nice at 480i (where as the other ports I've tried seem a bit off/blurry without a bunch of adjustment). Yeah you'll get interlacing and won't be arcade perfect, but if it looks sharp and clear it's generally better than the mess you might end up with trying to scale down to 240p...which I guess would be displaying at 480i anyway unless you have one of those arcade card outputs or a converter.
I've never played them side by side, but from when I played the 360 my impression wasn't so much that it was faster as much as just smoother (granted part of that is probably from the speed difference if it's there). The PCB has a distinct look and feel cause it seems to just straight up drop frames, it gets noticeably choppy at times. It also has the whole sprite limit glitching thing but that's another issue.
I've never heard of a 56 Hz arcade game. Then again, anything is possible in arcade machines
Still, it's a port of the 360 version, and that was most definitely 60 FPS.
R-Type of all games is 55hz. So are the Raiden Fighters games (edit: beaten there).
Arcade hardware is weird.
OmegaDL50
Member
Most Arcade STGs have intentional levels of slowdown by design.
Which is why I still consider the Dot Emu port of Raiden Legacy to be terrible. They removed all of the intentional slowdown which meant bullets moved faster than they should which ultimately affects the playability of the game due to inability to properly react because of the game running faster than intended.
If the game slows down but it's STILL challenging to dodge enemy bullets, then it's probably an intended effect, just consider if that slowdown didn't exist and it makes dodging impossible then that would answer your question.
Especially when Arcade games on the PCB had odd frame timings.
In the case for Mushihimesama on Steam however, Degica has acknowledged there are some framerate issues that they are working on fix according to a post over at Shmups forums.
Which is why I still consider the Dot Emu port of Raiden Legacy to be terrible. They removed all of the intentional slowdown which meant bullets moved faster than they should which ultimately affects the playability of the game due to inability to properly react because of the game running faster than intended.
If the game slows down but it's STILL challenging to dodge enemy bullets, then it's probably an intended effect, just consider if that slowdown didn't exist and it makes dodging impossible then that would answer your question.
Especially when Arcade games on the PCB had odd frame timings.
In the case for Mushihimesama on Steam however, Degica has acknowledged there are some framerate issues that they are working on fix according to a post over at Shmups forums.
that isn't right man. i saw that vid when i was in middle school and you're making me feel way too old.
Tetsuo9999
Member
I use a PS4 controller for all other PC gaming, so I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. The controller support in this game is quite the step down from recent shmups like Crimzon Clover and Raiden 4.
I've never heard of a 56 Hz arcade game. Then again, anything is possible in arcade machines
Apparently VF2 runs at... 57.5 FPS or something. According to the VF Wikia, the PS2 port has an option to enable it. I think it's the same with other Model 2 games.
What I've learned over a few years of messing with older arcade hardware, nothing actually runs at the speed people claim until you test it.
Wonko_C
Member
I was in my mid-twenties, I'm probably considered a fossil now, LOL.
RoryDropkick
Member
*lol* Ok, I'm not the only one then feeling that way..
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm right with you.
Actually, I've always felt that shmups skew older. Lots of 90s Japanese arcade DNA in there, so the people who were around back then embrace it the most.
SmiteOfHand
Member
OK!
Locking down the giveaway. Thanks for all that entered. Invites/emails going out momentarily.
Edit: and they are off. Congrats to the winners.
Locking down the giveaway. Thanks for all that entered. Invites/emails going out momentarily.
Edit: and they are off. Congrats to the winners.
mdsfx
Member
That was awesome of you to do.
oRuin
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TyrantGuardian
Member
God damn it. Missed my Normal Original PB by 1000 points. I no missed up until Stage 4 boss where I died because I pressed the bomb button too late. Then I died like 3 times during Stage 5 for no reason whatsoever. Sigh. This game
OmegaDL50
Member
Cool giveaway. Good Luck everyone
Is there a list of who won? Because this was done differently compared to the normal thing with Modbot.
SmiteOfHand
Member
I guess I should have added a GAF name option since I am not sure how people feel about putting their steam name out there. I guess I can throw out the avatar descriptions for the winners since those are dumb and fun anyway. People are, of course, free to announce themselves.
Winner Avatar Descriptions
White cat paws
green circle
a waving cat with cape
Guy with stripped shirt and is adjusting his hat
Bolo from the Shantae series
Saitama (bald guy)
Winner Avatar Descriptions
White cat paws
green circle
a waving cat with cape
Guy with stripped shirt and is adjusting his hat
Bolo from the Shantae series
Saitama (bald guy)
OmegaDL50
Member
Cool. Thanks again for your generosity.
Holy shit, I have a weekend away from GAF and this thread grows exponentially. Cave/Degica may well have a hit on their hands!
Also, I just opened that "give mushi" link because I thought it might've been for collating friends lists/scores, not as an actual giveaway. So don't count "Shaneus2k2" if that username wins!
Also, I just opened that "give mushi" link because I thought it might've been for collating friends lists/scores, not as an actual giveaway. So don't count "Shaneus2k2" if that username wins!
I think the arrange mode in the PS2 version only used one bomb when you auto-bombed, so it was easier to finish. This version uses your entire bomb stock if you auto-bomb.
OmegaDL50
Member
Anyone familiar with PuyoPuyo?
You know that puzzle game with the multi-colored blobs and when you made combos it dropped more objects on your opponents side of the field like those clear blobs for example.
Well playing that today gave me an interesting idea.
I don't believe any developer such as Cave or whoever else ever made a competitive STG.
The premise is similar to Puyo Puyo.
Both players play in split screen and control their ships with an identical setup, with a same spawn pattern of enemies that approach and fire. However the gimmick in this is the player who has the higher score chain causes more enemies and more curtain fire patterns to appear on the opposing player's side.
However with the additional risk with more enemies on screen means it's counter attack potential for opposing player to get a big combo chain with the additional enemy spawn. This causes a direct seesaw effect of more and more enemies spawning to a point in which one side is completely overwhelmed.
I guess Fighting game rules of 2 out of 3 could apply, or the first player to lose their 3 lives.
Of course this sort of mode would probably only as an optional to a normal game with a 5 or 6 stage standard completion.
In fact there could also be bonus mini-challenges in the middle of a match in which a Boss Enemy will spawn and both players would need to defeat the boss as quickly as possible, the winner gets a power up, providing a incentive more doing better.
It's an interesting idea, no? I don't believe I ever played a competitive split-screen shooter like my idea, if I had any sort of developer talent, I would try to make it, but maybe the idea would be appealing to someone and they would give it a try.
You know that puzzle game with the multi-colored blobs and when you made combos it dropped more objects on your opponents side of the field like those clear blobs for example.
Well playing that today gave me an interesting idea.
I don't believe any developer such as Cave or whoever else ever made a competitive STG.
The premise is similar to Puyo Puyo.
Both players play in split screen and control their ships with an identical setup, with a same spawn pattern of enemies that approach and fire. However the gimmick in this is the player who has the higher score chain causes more enemies and more curtain fire patterns to appear on the opposing player's side.
However with the additional risk with more enemies on screen means it's counter attack potential for opposing player to get a big combo chain with the additional enemy spawn. This causes a direct seesaw effect of more and more enemies spawning to a point in which one side is completely overwhelmed.
I guess Fighting game rules of 2 out of 3 could apply, or the first player to lose their 3 lives.
Of course this sort of mode would probably only as an optional to a normal game with a 5 or 6 stage standard completion.
In fact there could also be bonus mini-challenges in the middle of a match in which a Boss Enemy will spawn and both players would need to defeat the boss as quickly as possible, the winner gets a power up, providing a incentive more doing better.
It's an interesting idea, no? I don't believe I ever played a competitive split-screen shooter like my idea, if I had any sort of developer talent, I would try to make it, but maybe the idea would be appealing to someone and they would give it a try.
RoryDropkick
Member
Very true, but it's great to see the younger crowd embrace it and not brush it off as something that's just "old school" and "obsolete" as well.
SmiteOfHand
Member
We did put together a GAF STG group. Probably the best way to track people down for friending for leaderboards. I am still hopeful that things like Group leaderboards will become a thing in Steam shmups but until then it will have to do.
(Quick little aside about the Steam group. Anyone have any idea why I can't recommend games? I did the setup to become a curator but when I try to do the actual recommendation it says I need to Select a product to recommend, but typing anything in the box does nothing. I figured Steam is just acting up, but might as well ask.)
HiddenWings
Member
OmegaDL50
Member
Can I have an invite please?
I am definitely a big time STG fan.
Steam name is Professor Prinny.
Steam Avatar is the same as the one as my NeoGAF Avatar.
Ah...
Twinkle Star Sprites is a Neo Geo game. Didn't know that was a competitive STG, and I didn't know there was a Touhou Curtain Fire game that was similar, even though my experience was only with Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil and Perfect Cherry Blossom.
twinkle star sprites is one of my favorite games ever. when i can actually coax people into playing we end up going for hours and have a blast. the dreamcast has the best port of the original, and there's a sequel on ps2 that's pretty ugly, but still really fun.
you can also cheap out and play it on mame
If you're totally new to this stuff, I'd recommend Novice Original->Novice Maniac->either Novice Ultra/regular Original (about equal in difficulty, although they play very differently)->regular Maniac/Arrange mode->wherever you want.
TyrantGuardian
Member
No but I'd say forget it. Any amount of input lag is way too much input lag. This genre is probably the most sensitive one around when it comes to latency along with fighting games.
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
Decided to take the plunge and get this the day it came out, and while I'm terrible at bullet hell shmups this has been a ton of fun. I have a long way to go before I can hope to memorize everything here, but in the meantime there are a lot of glorious explosions to take in and I really like the soundtrack. Also, Arrange Mode = Weeeeeeeeeee! \(^_^)/
SoundPulse
Banned
There's also Touhou 3: Phantasmagoria of Dim Dream, the grandaddy of Flower View. It hates you and wants you to die.
You might try it, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
SmiteOfHand
Member
This asshole. Right here.
Should be cited. For a traffic violation.
For speeding.
FWIW, Pinball Arcade is nearly unplayable on Steam Link, and I'd say that has a far greater tolerance for lag than any bullet-hell shmup. On the bright side, whatever you're Steam Linking to I suspect could probably handle Mushihimesama natively.