Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Nier actually tries to be coherant and not shit on you at the end though.
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NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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PixelatedBookake
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Yeah I got them too. The YoRH@ units going berserk and the bunker getting destroyed was reminiscent of End of Eva to me. Also the overall tone in Route C had an Eva feel. It was a feeling of hopelessness while 9S and A2 have elements of Shinji and Asuka in their personalities.
Should have gotten everyone to congratulate you at the end.
Honestly, I would love a video message from Yoko Taro and the team at Platinum at the end saying thank you for playing, that would be incredible.
We already have a thanks for playing, and any more will just be cheesy as hell.
We do, and it's beautiful.
And it may be cheesy, but this is the game where you can talk to an NPC and complain about design elements.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Mmm, I could actually do without the thank you at the end honestly. 
Mmm, I could actually do without the thank you at the end honestly.
I wouldn't say that it needed to be there, but I really appreciate it. You've just been asked if you think that games are just silly little things, and answered no, you just went through an amazing section giving meaning to a meaningless act like playing videogames, or losing save data for a videogame. I think it bringing back that classic videogame ending before it was all about narratives with a simple "thank you for playing" was incredibly fitting.
It's not ashamed of being a game, it's not trying to be more, like the cringeworthy praise I read for a lot of games in the vein of "it's much more than a game, it's an experience". Anything is an experience, eating shit is a unique experience you'll never forget, it's so shallow while trying to make it sound deeper. Automata uses the medium in a unique way in order to convey its themes and tell its stories, I have a lot of respect for them ending on a note that is taking pride in being a videogame.
Or at least that was the impression I got from it, others will obviously see it differently.
Isaac Otherworld
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Super Bunny Hop uploaded a video on Nier Automata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehM1m5-TG5g
Spoilers for Ending E.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehM1m5-TG5g
Spoilers for Ending E.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Great video actually. Gave me a lot of new insights that I've never really considered. Especially some of the relations he made to the work culture of japan.
I love the melodramatic mess though, personally.
I love the melodramatic mess though, personally.
Might have to finally try out Berserk
Rei reminds me of 2B, and YoRHa is basically NERV..
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this though.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Don't forget the blatant QuantumRei:GhostTwins parallel.
9S stabbing 2B is basically the strangling scene from Instrumentality.
Taro went super hard on the Eva references.
9S stabbing 2B is basically the strangling scene from Instrumentality.
Taro went super hard on the Eva references.
How is this not one of the joke endings?
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Because we already have ending E.
Everyone sending you messages in the credits fight = Congratulations!
Taro thanking you for playing = the "And to all the children" message from Anno after the Congratulations scene
I have a theory I'd like to get people's opinions on:
Most combat/scanner units can see the enemy machine names. 2B being the outlier here is because she's actually 2E.
The reasoning I have for this is that A2 and 9S can both read the machine names. Originally I thought this was because 9S could read Angelic, but he can't - he doesn't even recognize it when it sees it for real in route C and needs his Pod to translate.
So I thought, maybe Scanners can pick that up as part of some advanced friend or foe system, but A2 can see the names too.
That got me thinking: 9S and A2 were both designed to fight machines. But 2E was designed to fight YoRHa units, that's why she's the only playable character who doesn't get that information.
Most combat/scanner units can see the enemy machine names. 2B being the outlier here is because she's actually 2E.
The reasoning I have for this is that A2 and 9S can both read the machine names. Originally I thought this was because 9S could read Angelic, but he can't - he doesn't even recognize it when it sees it for real in route C and needs his Pod to translate.
So I thought, maybe Scanners can pick that up as part of some advanced friend or foe system, but A2 can see the names too.
That got me thinking: 9S and A2 were both designed to fight machines. But 2E was designed to fight YoRHa units, that's why she's the only playable character who doesn't get that information.
avrophantasm
Member
Sounds legit; thanks for pointing it out. The attention to detail in this game is really something.
Well, Jackass's report details that a big turning point for the Machine Network was coming across the Shadowlord's data.
It almost sounds like, upon learning about Nier, N2 and the Machine Lifeforms become humanity's heirs. They seemed to have looked to Project Gestalt to form a basis for a new way of being. Also, robots gaining souls and whatnot are a pretty common sci-fi trope. So I wouldn't be surprised if things were set up so Machines have bodies that can be rebuilt as long as the machine core is intact (Replicants), but also have souls.(Gestalts)
Therefore, I believe these two are Adam and Eve's Gestalts. (Sorry Tekken twins. Again.)
Also, notice that some of those enemies also shoot Emil heads. Since we first meet our Emil by busting up a machine with him still inside, I hypothesize those machines also have Emil heads inside. In their war against Emil, it looks like the aliens captured some of his clones and put them in machine bodies in order to fight him.
That boy (those boys?) just can't catch a break.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Boooo beat me to it, but yeah. This is such a great video. Automata is such a dense game you could to a video devoted to the references alone.
I would love to do an opening credits for Nier in the style of Eva. If I had a week off of work I could probably do it.
Lmao thank you so much, I really do appreciate it.
applause
Thanks, honestly I didn't regret it as it's been a while since I edited anything. I also happened to have the footage since I'm in a new playthrough.
Bravo
You do!
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Late to this but well done. This was so good. Ive seen a lot of jojo memes and this would rank up high there
Because it's using the best ending song evah
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
When i die, i want someone to melodicly strum a guitar to my slow fade to black.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Ok - might have been covered but that "the six of us" line in the final dialogue between the pods ...
I've thought about this a fair bit and I'm convinced it's referencing the 2 pods , 3 androids and the player
The final part that convinced me was the 6 birds in the end sequence that split into 5 and 1... 5 are seen with then flying into distance with the two sentient pods (plus assistants but let's ignore) - 2B and 9S... the other "significant other" being the player
And as that happens a bird lands by an isolated A2
Metaphorically - is this a hint that A2 has been left behind and that the story will move with 2B and 9S and this is a goodbye to A2 ?
I've thought about this a fair bit and I'm convinced it's referencing the 2 pods , 3 androids and the player
The final part that convinced me was the 6 birds in the end sequence that split into 5 and 1... 5 are seen with then flying into distance with the two sentient pods (plus assistants but let's ignore) - 2B and 9S... the other "significant other" being the player
And as that happens a bird lands by an isolated A2
Metaphorically - is this a hint that A2 has been left behind and that the story will move with 2B and 9S and this is a goodbye to A2 ?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, i guess if you want to take the concert into account, but i think by the end the story for everyone is done.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Given the defection of the A2 prototype I assumed that the 2E unit is a bug fix - as per A2 : YoRHa know the 9S unit is smart enough to figure out the truth so 2E is designed to kill the 9S forcing a restore from a certain back up point keeping them useful but away from the truth.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
We know the parts are there and the backups were taken - so for 2B and 9S they are repairable to some extent. A2 is not on the network and long since abandoned YoRHa so maybe she is done ?
Plus it puts a poignant twist to the C (canon?) ending ... A2 is the hero in the end saving both 2B and 9S who both the player and the pods seem to profess a likening too ... ?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, this is where it gets kinda fuzzy for me. The credits talked about their memories leaking out and then by the end of it the piss day that they got the full memory, but then in the concert apparently not and 9S woke up because lol alien technology?
I'm assuming that she didn't actually disconnect from the network and yorha just stopped trying to track her because she's too good to be captured? The concerts did mention that 2B was tasked with capturing A2 but could never do it.
I'm assuming that she didn't actually disconnect from the network and yorha just stopped trying to track her because she's too good to be captured? The concerts did mention that 2B was tasked with capturing A2 but could never do it.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
"The six of us" refers to pods 042A, 042B, 042C, 153A, 153B, and 153C. iirc, during the text conversation parts, there's a graphic indicating which pods are conversing, and those six are the ones highlighted.
I believe if you add up the pods that appear in the final cutscene, you will find 3 grey pods (model 042) and 3 black pods (model 153), as well.
Edit: too lazy to get a better screenshot, but here you go:
Isaac Otherworld
Member
I finally got the Destroyer outfit at level 50 and the elevator was in this weird endless loop after trying to leave T.T
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Yes - I'm aware of that and the 6 tracers coming from the bunker - and I was happy to accept that except the bird analogy has made me question whether I'm being dicked with or not. None of the other pods have displayed sentience so that might also be a factor ? Just glad that the game still has layers of mystery
The original concept designs for Eve went a lot harder on the Shadowlord parallels. Also, they considered an Urien costume.
Also, I kind of think that the alternate palettes and variations being considered for Popola and Devola were superior to their final designs - though the ones with black or two-tone coats were a little too close to the YoRHa uniforms for totally separate factions, the tan variant would have been a nice iteration on the Resistance uniforms.
Also, I kind of think that the alternate palettes and variations being considered for Popola and Devola were superior to their final designs - though the ones with black or two-tone coats were a little too close to the YoRHa uniforms for totally separate factions, the tan variant would have been a nice iteration on the Resistance uniforms.
Charles Alan Ratliff
Member
Just finished Ending E. I was wondering what happens if you choose to give up?
You get kicked to the menu, and can re-attempt Ending E upon finishing either Route C/D again.
Roxkis_ii
Member
I just finished ending E and paid it forward.
For some reason, I didn't take the prompts serious when they talked about deleting all your game data to pay it forward.
I really enjoyed this game but it's stuff i wanted to finish before ending my time with this game. I'm really kicking myself for not taking those prompts serious.
I don't know if I can start all they way over from the first play thru. Maybe sometime in the future
What a heavy game Q.Q
For some reason, I didn't take the prompts serious when they talked about deleting all your game data to pay it forward.
I really enjoyed this game but it's stuff i wanted to finish before ending my time with this game. I'm really kicking myself for not taking those prompts serious.
I don't know if I can start all they way over from the first play thru. Maybe sometime in the future
What a heavy game Q.Q
Alright, so I finished the game last night (Ending E), and I'm still confused about a lot of things. Hoping someone can just lay it all out for me here.
What's the rough timeline of the major events of Nier Gestalt and Nier Automata? The aliens attacked before the events of Nier Gestalt and were already wiped out by their own machines by then? And then after Nier Gestalt, the genomes of the replicants were stored and kept on the moon (I've forgotten a lot of the story of Nier Gestalt, so can't really remember what happened)?
The hologram twins, or the network, were they created after Adam and Eve? Before? Were they a completely separate entity from Adam and Eve? They were the ones who built the giant cannon to shoot the moon, right?
Who created Yorha? I thought it was the human androids, but they left a backdoor for a virus to kill all the androids after a certain point? Why, just to keep the secret that humans are dead a secret? Pretty extreme.
And the ending with the cannon becoming an ark, I don't get it at all.
What's the rough timeline of the major events of Nier Gestalt and Nier Automata? The aliens attacked before the events of Nier Gestalt and were already wiped out by their own machines by then? And then after Nier Gestalt, the genomes of the replicants were stored and kept on the moon (I've forgotten a lot of the story of Nier Gestalt, so can't really remember what happened)?
The hologram twins, or the network, were they created after Adam and Eve? Before? Were they a completely separate entity from Adam and Eve? They were the ones who built the giant cannon to shoot the moon, right?
Who created Yorha? I thought it was the human androids, but they left a backdoor for a virus to kill all the androids after a certain point? Why, just to keep the secret that humans are dead a secret? Pretty extreme.
And the ending with the cannon becoming an ark, I don't get it at all.
I don't make any claims for accuracy since some things are simply up to interpretation
The aliens invaded sometimes after Nier, fought against emil, lost, came back with their machines, were wiped out by them and then Automata happens
I'm not sure when they were created*, but i wouldn't say they are entirely seperate entities. The network is exactly that, a collective consuinsness, which Adam and Eve were also part of.
So, by extension they built the cannon or rather devised the plan for all of that.
*See hobos post
Androids that were originally created by humanity created yorha sometime after nier happened and humanity went exctint, tho only a small amount of them, since they wanted to keep it secret and all. And indeed the back door was to kill of project yorha to ultimately kill everybody involved in making it, as well as all data and records about it, so the false god they wanted to create can live on forever-
I'm not sure about the overall implications of it myself, but basically adam and eve (and 9S depending on what you chose) were shot into the galaxy because the network changed its opinion about killing the androids "god" and decided that everything the network has been doing was a foolish mistake and to send that knowledge somehwere else so someplace different might avoid repeating that debacle.
The aliens invaded sometimes after Nier, fought against emil, lost, came back with their machines, were wiped out by them and then Automata happens
I'm not sure when they were created*, but i wouldn't say they are entirely seperate entities. The network is exactly that, a collective consuinsness, which Adam and Eve were also part of.
So, by extension they built the cannon or rather devised the plan for all of that.
*See hobos post
Androids that were originally created by humanity created yorha sometime after nier happened and humanity went exctint, tho only a small amount of them, since they wanted to keep it secret and all. And indeed the back door was to kill of project yorha to ultimately kill everybody involved in making it, as well as all data and records about it, so the false god they wanted to create can live on forever-
I'm not sure about the overall implications of it myself, but basically adam and eve (and 9S depending on what you chose) were shot into the galaxy because the network changed its opinion about killing the androids "god" and decided that everything the network has been doing was a foolish mistake and to send that knowledge somehwere else so someplace different might avoid repeating that debacle.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Nier -> humans die out -> thousands of years later ayyylmaos attack -> thousands of years later Automata happens
The twins have been around since at least the Pearl Harbor mission that took place several years prior to Automata.
Radical Edward
Member
This keeps happening to me everytime I beat an arena
Wait, I'm confused. In Automata it said that Emil was made to fight the aliens, but he got that freaky body in Gestalt, but the aliens attacked after Gestalt?
So, the twins/network were responsible for killing the aliens, and Adam and Eve were a part of them, though mostly with their own consciences? And why build the cannon? They knew the humans were dead. They did say something about creating hardships for themselves to evolve, which is why I assume they never went all out against the human androids, but that still doesn't explain the cannon.
Those stupid androids who made Yorha are morons. What did they think would happen after killing all the androids? Like, the whole point was to give them hope and reason. Anyways, so these androids, they just left a backdoor, right? The virus seemed to be caused by the machines, unless these androids were cooperating with the machines or something.
And with the network deciding to change the cannon to an ark, did the entire network leave Earth? I thought Adam and Eve died? Were the ones on the ark backups or something? Why was 9S offered to go along?
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