Fallout-NL
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Orayn said:
Hehe, 5 years along and the best you can do is telling me to wait for one Zelda title.
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Nintendo: All Guns Blazing
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Hehe, 5 years along and the best you can do is telling me to wait for one Zelda title.
JasoNsider
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Sadist said:
And also DQX announcement whose importance cannot be understated
Divvy said:
I assume he was more speaking about Japan, which will have a mainline Mario game, Mario Kart, Inazuma Eleven, Monster Hunter, and I think I'm missing something else, all coming by the end of the year. That is really an insane lineup.
Lord_Byron28
Member
How was Sega dropping out of the hardware business and going 3rd party not their own fault? They constantly greenlit games that weren't going to sell, Threw millions of dollars behind risky games and financially made incredibly stupid decisions. If Sega at that time had a slightly more conservative Nintendo-like strategy they likely wouldn't have fallen out(or at least as quickly).cj_iwakura said:
JasoNsider
Member
schuelma said:
This is starting to really de-rail. We were looking at the big picture and original statement. "Nintendo has done something kind of amazing here." The big picture: you need a Nintendo console to play the biggest games.
The 3DS release list is quite amazing, though. The Japanese are going to be especially lucky to receive the surprise Monster Hunter 3DS this year.
Probably the connectivity aspect to use the 3DS as a tagging machine.schuelma said:
Also put me in the camp that thinks the redesign/add-on would mean they're seriously positioning the 3DS as a 2nd controller to the WiiU and has less to do with Nintendo's response to the Vita. Which is months late and no longer has a price advantage when it was at price parity with the 3DS
test_account
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Monster Hunter Tri was first planned for the PS3, so i think that this game would have been out regardless. Super Mario Galaxy however would most likely not been made without a new Nintendo console (unless Nintendo kept on supporting the Gamecube, then maybe we would have seen Super Mario Galaxy on the Gamecube instead).Orayn said:
michaeltraps
Member
I never understood this belief either. Nintendo is in a vastly different position than Sega was upon its drop out of the hardware business. When your opinion begins to coincide with what investors "think would work," there's trouble. I'm referring, of course, to the recent article (can't remember where) stating that Nintendo should drop out and develop for iOS - chasing that flavor of the week, as always.Lord_Byron28 said:
Lord_Byron28
Member
Well the known holiday lineup is composed of DQ Slime, Inazuma eleven, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 3DS, Kid Icarus Uprising, Love Plus, and MH Tri G. So that's pretty impressive in and of itself. Then there is still Luigi's Mansion, Resident Evil Revelations, Kingdom Hearts, and Metal Gear Solid coming out next year. Who knows what else there will be at the 3DS conference but based on what's been rumored and said about it there should be quite a few interesting smaller titles anounced as well.Divvy said:
StickSoldier
Member
Sigh... Can't make a Nintendo topic without all the damn negativity/trolling. I still don't see the 3DS becoming a failure with the games that are coming out. Who doesn't want a new Super Mario 3D , Mario Kart, Monster Hunter game? Not to mention the fact that they have KI, Kingdom Hearts, and RE:R coming out pretty soon as well. Oh yeah, and then there is the inevitable Pokemon game that will come out soon, since Nintendo wants the 3DS to succeed, which of course will push a million+ units easily.
StickSoldier
Member
raziel said:
What for? The DS brand could probably do more than what a Gameboy 4 could do in terms of gameplay.
jump_button
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Its hard to stop the doom and gloom when it starts
Fallout-NL
Member
Orayn said:
I love Zelda games.
But it's pretty sad when I can wait for a system to come all the fucking way down in price, pick up 2 Mario Galaxy titles on the cheap (+ the one Zelda title), and not miss very much at all.
velvet_nitemare
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discocaine said:
Absolute rubbish.
jeremy1456
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StickSoldier said:
No one in their right mind thinks its going to be a failure but many have made an emotional investment in the Vita and are therefore lashing out.e
StickSoldier
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Sennorin said:
Yeah I guess that'd be cool, but these ain't shoes that we're talking about lol... That'd probably fucking alienate ALL of the 3DS's user base.
jeremy1456 said:
Who knows, just seems like a lot of people here like to troll or really do think it's going to fail. I'll wait till these games release before rushing to judgement.
StickSoldier said:
Just imagine Reggie on a darkened stage, then some crazy music starts, gets crazier and crazier, suddenly stops, and on a screen, a glowing brand appears, while Reggie says "It´s GameBoy 4".
And then they´re showing how it´s Nintendo´s answer to smartphones, basically being a smartphone as everyone knows them, but with sleek positioned analog pad, dpad and buttons. And since it would really be a smartphone, it wouldn´t compete with the 3DS, which is *just* a toy.
omg, I´m drooling...
Uno Venova
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A positive Nintendo article? That can't be true, because everyone is out to get Nintendo since the 1800s.
It's good but expected that Nintendo is bringing more software to the 3DS this fall, even though I'm not interested in a lot of them.
It's good but expected that Nintendo is bringing more software to the 3DS this fall, even though I'm not interested in a lot of them.
StickSoldier
Member
Sennorin said:
Haha, yeah that'd be some wild shit.. I guess if it's a smart phone, I'd be down. It'd have to have a VC though, and a good keyboard for texting! Oh yeah, I want a lot of Nintendo ringtones.
1 screen.StickSoldier said:
call it personal preference, but i just want one screen. the dual screens have always had a forced, gimmicky quality i was never able to reconcile, and is the main reason i think ive never bought or even wanted any ds. i also dont like playing with a stylus.
also i appreciate the simplicity of the gameboy. to date, the gameboys are the only handhelds ive ever played outside of the house. having said that, i would welcome 4 face buttons, a couple of analog sticks, and [begrudgingly] touchscreen capability, in a modern update of it.
BlazingDarkness
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Better? I mean sure we've had some gems like Xenoblade and Another Code:R and 999 etc etc but overall? It'd mean Sony and MS wouldn't have fallen over themselves to embrace the casual waggle culture, for me that would have been a much better generation as a gamerWilly105 said:
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
So you'd rather miss the numerous gems indicated by your "etc etc" just so that a few Kinect/Move games wouldn't exist even though nobody forces you to play them and the other output of Sony and MS wasn't really affected by them (hey look, once again we're waiting for more Uncharted and more Gears of War, as usual)? Weird.BlazingDarkness said:
This makes little sense to me, what you ask for is essentially a 3DS, just with the touch screen on top of the main screen (and an extra analog but whatever, details, and you barely wanted to add those inputs yourself). Playing 3DS you can largely ignore its second "screen" aspect and simply use it as what it mainly is, another input method. Like having a touchpad on your laptop. It doesn't stop you from enjoying anything else, your keyboard or controller, it just adds another layer for the cases where it's necessary or neat to have. And you don't have to use your stylus unless it's a precision touch game in which case you wouldn't want to not use it. I mean, what's so bad about having a second screen in say, Super Street Fighter? You look at the main screen, use the buttons you love to use, and also have a few touch shortcuts that you can press without having to put your finger over the action, and without the stylus. Plenty other games work comparably to this if you really want to avoid all the ones that use the screen in a more prominent manner. You've missed out on tons of gems over the last handheld generation for rather insignificant reasons, man.raziel said:
PigSpeakers
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This is a Nintendo thread. I am going to make a comment now. It is either negative or positive, but is most definitely ground that has been tread over a million times to the point of everyone around me wanting to throw up. That was also a run-on sentence. Here is a wall of pointless armchair analysis text or list of failures that helps me pad my argument out.
*long walls of text with fake sales data thrown in*
(For the record, I ignored the OP and just came in to throw my 2 cents in about Nintendo's state in the industry as of now.)
*long walls of text with fake sales data thrown in*
(For the record, I ignored the OP and just came in to throw my 2 cents in about Nintendo's state in the industry as of now.)
Why would you do that?
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I'd generally agree, but... Poor Rare.michaeltraps said:
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
While I don't think Nintendo is doomed, they are certainly at an interesting point in history.
First thing Nintendo should do is try and turn this wave of criticism away from them; not that I think the articles are right (99% of them is console warrior bullshit), but it is the whole sensation of negativism that is forming, very much like the one formed during the early PS3 days (PS3 has no games, Lair will save the PS3, PSP sells because of UMD movies, etc), and that certainly did hurt Sony and it's consoles.
The answer to that criticism is of course, games; and games that will shut the critics. I think they are doing a decent job with the 3DS in Japan (getting the full MHTriG edition while their competitor is only getting an upgraded port of a MH3P, Inazuma Eleven, Mario and Mario Kart; and securing Dragon Quest on the near future on their consoles and handhelds), and once their games start rolling here, I think the machine will be very healthy.
On the Wii U side, they have shown literally nothing, except the controller (which is the most "convenient" controller I've ever seen, and I will love every second using it, because the idea of playing big console games on a handheld at night while the wife watches TV or sleeps, is really awesome; also having a map on the hand and doing other stuff while playing, should be really great, and it has so many uses, it's awesome) and that it'll have enhanced ports of current gen console titles, which is... neat. One thing they've done is securing DQX, which is an excellent move.
But the thing they need next E3 is to have a game on Wii U, that's not Mario, Zelda or Metroid, that will leave the members of the press with their mouths open. Everyone expects a new Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid and such, and everyone expects those games to be "similar, but with a Nintendo twist" to what's already on the market.
What Nintendo needs is to wow the audience, like they did with Mario 64 on the N64; Metroid Prime on the GCN, or awesome trailers like Zelda Tp or Metroid other M. They can do this at the moment, because everyone has relatively low expectations (Nintendo expectations are never low).
They also need is to gain some momentum with the 3DS. The thing they have in advantage is that their competitors are really confused at the moment, they know they need a new console sooner rather than later (because they'll want to release those with a good momentum and not having to build everything again), but the problem is that there is no real need for a new Xbox or PS4, because there are no significant advancements on the road they are following; a new console from them almost certainly means a powerful PC with some branding in it and the controllers will stay mainly the same on the PS4 (DS4 with back touchscreen, I call it now), and the new Xbox will probably focus more on Kinect (you know it's true).
So in the end I don't see all the Doom and Gloom, but I would certainly hope Nintendo does everything in their power to stop the negativity.
First thing Nintendo should do is try and turn this wave of criticism away from them; not that I think the articles are right (99% of them is console warrior bullshit), but it is the whole sensation of negativism that is forming, very much like the one formed during the early PS3 days (PS3 has no games, Lair will save the PS3, PSP sells because of UMD movies, etc), and that certainly did hurt Sony and it's consoles.
The answer to that criticism is of course, games; and games that will shut the critics. I think they are doing a decent job with the 3DS in Japan (getting the full MHTriG edition while their competitor is only getting an upgraded port of a MH3P, Inazuma Eleven, Mario and Mario Kart; and securing Dragon Quest on the near future on their consoles and handhelds), and once their games start rolling here, I think the machine will be very healthy.
On the Wii U side, they have shown literally nothing, except the controller (which is the most "convenient" controller I've ever seen, and I will love every second using it, because the idea of playing big console games on a handheld at night while the wife watches TV or sleeps, is really awesome; also having a map on the hand and doing other stuff while playing, should be really great, and it has so many uses, it's awesome) and that it'll have enhanced ports of current gen console titles, which is... neat. One thing they've done is securing DQX, which is an excellent move.
But the thing they need next E3 is to have a game on Wii U, that's not Mario, Zelda or Metroid, that will leave the members of the press with their mouths open. Everyone expects a new Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid and such, and everyone expects those games to be "similar, but with a Nintendo twist" to what's already on the market.
What Nintendo needs is to wow the audience, like they did with Mario 64 on the N64; Metroid Prime on the GCN, or awesome trailers like Zelda Tp or Metroid other M. They can do this at the moment, because everyone has relatively low expectations (Nintendo expectations are never low).
They also need is to gain some momentum with the 3DS. The thing they have in advantage is that their competitors are really confused at the moment, they know they need a new console sooner rather than later (because they'll want to release those with a good momentum and not having to build everything again), but the problem is that there is no real need for a new Xbox or PS4, because there are no significant advancements on the road they are following; a new console from them almost certainly means a powerful PC with some branding in it and the controllers will stay mainly the same on the PS4 (DS4 with back touchscreen, I call it now), and the new Xbox will probably focus more on Kinect (you know it's true).
So in the end I don't see all the Doom and Gloom, but I would certainly hope Nintendo does everything in their power to stop the negativity.
ShockingAlberto
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Comment about how it is always the juniors.PigSpeakers said:
manueldelalas said:
What I'd like to see for Wii U is something they had for the first major appearance of the Wii at E3 - the constant dripfeed of awesome news. It wasn't just the press conference, we got little extra bits as the show went on; the Wii completely owned the news cycle for pretty much all of E3. If they can achieve that, it could well sway the critics.
I've got an audio track somewhere of the audience during the Smash Bros Brawl reveal with Pit, Meta Knight and Wario... and then Snake. It was pretty deafening.
raziel said:
You make no sense.
The second screen isn't the greatest thing ever, but it takes nothing away. It's just another option that developers have.
Some games make extensive use of the second touch screen, and do it well. If these games aren't your thing, then okay, that's fine. You don't have to play these games. But it's nice for developers to have the option there for people who do enjoy these games. Or maybe you might actually try some of them before passing judgment and find that they aren't as bad as you assume.
Some games make small but convenient use of the second screen, such as showing maps and HUD elements to free up screen real estate on the main screen or let you see stuff without pausing, and this is nice but not absolutely game changing. I don't see how this kind of use would cause issues. When I play games like these, I don't even really notice the second screen.
And yeah, games use the touch screen and second screen poorly, often in forced, crappy, gimmicky ways. But that's not exactly exclusive to the DS. There are crappy games on every system.
It's like being against your car having cupholders because you don't usually drink anything while driving. So instead of just buying a car and not using the cupholders like a reasonable person, you refuse to buy any car that has cupholders.
As far as the Gameboy being simple, I'm pretty sure that wasn't due to some inherent quality of the Gameboy brand, but more because the last Gameboy launched over a decade ago.
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