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Meisadragon said:All these things should (hopefully) change during the holidays. Iwata even asked them to wait for 4 months, but they really don't have the patience, do they?
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Money is no game.
Meisadragon said:All these things should (hopefully) change during the holidays. Iwata even asked them to wait for 4 months, but they really don't have the patience, do they?
Binabik15 said:Maybe investors expect those games to have an impact and have already considered them in their decision to hold/sell stock, but expected more on top of that?
Amir0x said:I don't see what is at all controversial about this. He's making a pretty direct assessment of the layout - that the games on display are all mostly gamer games, and the crowd they catered to with the Wii/DS are being largely ignored now. This is perhaps good for -us- (even though, frankly, I don't think their announcements were impressive at all, MonHun 4 aside - more franchise whoring and laziness for the most part), but bad for the business who revived itself on the backs of those non-gamers.
What games at the Pre-TGS show do you think will continue to bring in those non-gamers? I can't think of any. Animal Crossing? Well, it'll sell... but is it going to bring in new gamers? Nintendogs+Cats didn't. People saw through the facade and realized how lazy it was. It's more old ideas based on a company out of new ideas. All they do now is release sequel 7 in whatever franchise they're inclined to whore out at the moment while simultaneously showing extreme incompetence with the price cut and now the analog dongle add on. Just shows they were not ready.
Amir0x said:hahhahaha
Meisadragon said:All these things should (hopefully) change during the holidays. Iwata even asked them to wait for 4 months, but they really don't have the patience, do they?
Yup. Rage at them all you want but they're probably correct.Cheech said:"Nintendo succeeded by pulling in people who weren't gamers and their needs now are no longer being filled by Nintendo, they are happy playing games on their mobile phones."
Right on the money.
Cipherr said:I think they want to see Android and iOS game announcements from Nintendo, and don't fully understand how that absolutely has no chance of happening right now nor the near future.
Its just people that don't understand the landscape of gaming or the industry at all really.
Style Boutique, Mario & Sonic, Animal Crossing, Tomodachi, Mario Tennis? That's a decent amount of casual games. All we're missing are Brain Training games. Nintendo did the right thing to not release a bunch of casual games at/near launch. The 249 pricetag scared away the casual gamers anyway. But now it's the perfect timing to release these casual games and relaunch Nintendogs/Layton etc.confused said:Understandable really. Besides Mario there isn't much there that is exciting for non-core gamers. But then again, Nintendo already announced they're going after the core gamer now. Investors must be confused or something.
Nuclear Muffin said:Style Savvi was quite the success on the original DS...
While you may have a point regarding the lack of demographic variety that earlier DS/Wii line-ups enjoyed, what I saw today was a conference with at least 3 titles that pull numbers as big as those Wii____ and Touch generation titles. Isn't that what matters in the end?Amir0x said:I don't see what is at all controversial about this. He's making a pretty direct assessment of the layout - that the games on display are all mostly gamer games, and the crowd they catered to with the Wii/DS are being largely ignored now. This is perhaps good for -us- (even though, frankly, I don't think their announcements were impressive at all, MonHun 4 aside - more franchise whoring and laziness for the most part), but bad for the business who revived itself on the backs of those non-gamers.
What games at the Pre-TGS show do you think will continue to bring in those non-gamers? I can't think of any. Animal Crossing? Well, it'll sell... but is it going to bring in new gamers? Nintendogs+Cats didn't. People saw through the facade and realized how lazy it was. It's more old ideas based on a company out of new ideas. All they do now is release sequel 7 in whatever franchise they're inclined to whore out at the moment while simultaneously showing extreme incompetence with the price cut and now the analog dongle add on. Just shows they were not ready.
This, very much. It's still a bit above the mass-market price for handhelds, so until they can drop another $20-40 off, they should focus mostly on the audience that buys hardware within the first year. Besides, we don't know if there's even anything they can do to get that audience away from Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja.Eteric Rice said:Wouldn't it be better for Nintendo to try to get the hardcore players, THEN move on to getting casuals?
Amir0x said:hahhahaha
They aren't exactly known for constantly refurbishing the gaming industry outside of once or twice a generation, and most of that comes from hardware changes.Amir0x said:These are not big ideas, these are limpdicked ideas of someone out of ideas. 3DS will be the victor by default, but not because of these games. Because it's $169.99 while Vita is $249.99, and it'll never be as successful as DS or close because it just is old hat ideas. Nintendo is out of fresh ideas.
gogogow said:Style Boutique, Mario & Sonic, Animal Crossing, Tomodachi, Mario Tennis? That's a decent amount of casual games. All we're missing are Brain Training games. Nintendo did the right thing to not release a bunch of casual games at/near launch. The 249 pricetag scared away the casual gamers anyway. But now it's the perfect timing to release these casual games and relaunch Nintendogs/Layton etc.
Electivirus said:More proof that investors aren't gamers.
Cheesemeister said:
Analysts get the info on these conferences in briefings prior to them starting to avoid reactionary swings.Cheesemeister said:
The market as a whole was up 1% today in Japan.Erethian said:It's almost like there's bigger factors weighing on global markets at the moment.
Beam said:One can never satisfy the greed of investors.
At least, they introduced the slider pad early in the 3DS' life-cycle, so I doubt they're pissed over that. They just don't have any confidence in the 3DS atm.confused said:Aren't two of those four months already gone ? What happened so far ? They pissed all over everybody with this expansion nub.
New gamers never played those games before. Casual gamers or "non-gamers" who bought a DS some years ago might be interested in these games. I don't see how these games aren't going to do anything. Capitilzing on past successes seems to work very well for the yearly COD's, Fifa's, Madden's etc. Nintendo should actually make MORE sequels, 2nd Smash Brothers for Wii, 2nd Mario Kart, NSMB etc. People are gonna eat it up.Amir0x said:None of this, sorry, none of your games period you listed are going to draw in new gamers. Half of them are lazy efforts to capitalize on past successes; most of them will just fail to have broad appeal altogether.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAmaabus1999 said:Interesting. Some guy in another thread said the move for MH4 was a "bad" move because of Japanese culture (he claimed to be an expert). Basically said for a culture based on honor and shame, this smacks of betrayl. I wonder if he had a point with that chart above...
maabus1999 said:Interesting. Some guy in another thread said the move for MH4 was a "bad" move because of Japanese culture (he claimed to be an expert). Basically said for a culture based on honor and shame, this smacks of betrayl. I wonder if he had a point with that chart above...
maabus1999 said:Interesting. Some guy in another thread said the move for MH4 was a "bad" move because of Japanese culture (he claimed to be an expert). Basically said for a culture based on honor and shame, this smacks of betrayl. I wonder if he had a point with that chart above...
Meisadragon said:At least, they introduced the slider pad early in the 3DS' life-cycle, so I doubt they're pissed over that. They just don't have any confidence in the 3DS atm.
gogogow said:New gamers never played those games before. Casual gamers or "non-gamers" who bought a DS some years ago might be interested in these games. I don't see how these games aren't going to do anything. Capitilzing on past successes seems to work very well for the yearly COD's, Fifa's, Madden's etc. Nintendo should actually make MORE sequels, 2nd Smash Brothers for Wii, 2nd Mario Kart, NSMB etc. People are gonna eat it up.
Nintendo's attempt to rescue its failed 3DS handheld games gadget failed to dispel market gloom, triggering a 5 percent share slide and stoking deep worries for an iconic brand desperate to win back users.
On Tuesday, President Satoru Iwata introduced what he said was an unprecedented range of games, aimed at attracting everyone from hardcore gamers to fashion-conscious girls and fans of the long-running Mario series.
The Japanese company also announced on its website a new 1,500 yen ($19) slidepad accessory needed for certain games.
But analysts and investors dismissed the line-up as lackluster and largely irrelevant in the face of cheap or free games played on the likes of Apple's iPhone and iPad and Google-powered Android devices.
Nintendo has been criticized for sticking rigidly to its own hardware, meaning it has no access to the new generation of mobile devices.
"I don't think the new games will make any difference," said Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment.
"Nintendo succeeded by pulling in people who weren't gamers and their needs now are no longer being filled by Nintendo, they are happy playing games on their mobile phones,"[ he said.
Nintendo's shares ended 5 percent lower in a strong market. The Kyoto-based company's shares have plunged nearly 50 percent so far this year, hit by the 3DS flop and doubts that it can replicate the success of its Wii home console with the next generation WiiU, announced at the E3 games show in June.
Nintendo, which means "Leave luck to heaven," was forced to announce price cuts of up to 40 percent in July to try to boost slumping demand for the glasses-free 3D version of the DS, but this only temporarily spurred sales.
In July, Nintendo slashed its outlook for the business year to end-March to its lowest in 27 years as it braced for losses from the 3D gadget and a stronger yen.
In a subdued Tokyo conference hall on Tuesday, an appearance by the company's star game designer, Shigeru Miyamoto, wielding a toy sword and shield raised a laugh, but a series of 3DS game images depicting Miyamoto and Iwata as a pair of young lovers was met with silence.
LINE-UP OF GAMES
"From the end of this year to the beginning of next, we are planning the kind of extensive line-up that has probably never been seen before in the history of video games," Iwata told reporters and guests.
"We will make an all-out effort to see that the 3DS sells enough to become the successor to the DS," Iwata said.
That will be no easy task, given that earlier models of the DS had sold a cumulative total of about 148 million units by the end of June this year. The gadget, along with the motion-controlled Wii home console, enabled Nintendo to dominate the industry for years.
In Japan, 3DS sales leaped to more than 200,000 units in the week of the price cut, but swiftly fell back to about 55,000 units, according to research firm Enterbrain.
That leaves only the secretive company's famed content, never made available on other firms' hardware, to revive sales.
"The only possible way for Nintendo to revive would be to stop concentrating on mobile games and switch to Wii-type games for the whole family," said Makoto Kikuchi, CEO of Myojo Asset Management. "However, at the moment, I can't see this change coming."
Iwata took a 50 percent pay cut, and other executives took 20-30 percent cuts to take responsibility for the poor performance.
Analysts have cut their full-year operating profit forecasts for Nintendo by an average of 45 percent in the past 30 days and the stock is now trading at 45 times its estimated forward 12-month earnings, according to Thomson Reuters data.
Shares in software provider Capcom slumped by 8.3 percent after the company said it would be developing the next generation of its hit Monster Hunter game for the 3DS.
Nintendo slashed the price of the 3DS after sales shriveled to just 710,000 units in April-June from 3.6 million in the first month after its launch, and a tiny fraction of the 16 million unit target for the year.
Macquarie Securities analyst David Gibson said he still expected the 3DS gadget to sell about 14.5 million units over the year. ($1 = 77.000 Japanese Yen)
Gokurakumaru said:Profit affects dividend. The true value of a share is its dividend yield, i.e. the size of dividend relative to the share price.
Nintendo are tanking this year, both at home and in the portable market. Anybody selling off while the stock price is high is smart.
"The only possible way for Nintendo to revive would be to stop concentrating on mobile games and switch to Wii-type games for the whole family,"
The_Darkest_Red said:Perfect timing...
I predict much crow eating after the holiday season.