DalikSkywing
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This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
LMAO, im sorry for your friend but next time he'll wait
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Nioh coming to Steam on November 7, Nioh Complete for PS4 same day
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LMAO, im sorry for your friend but next time he'll wait
Enjoy
This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
This should be thread worthy. Someone needs to take the blame for this and be fined or something, it's unacceptable.
They likely had a contract with Sony that prevented them from mentioning anything regarding a PC release...
Not really, the wording is ambiguous, all the K-T employee stated was that Ni-Oh was on PS4 only, which was true until a few days ago. All that was asked was if the game was on PC or PS4. "we can" is different to "can we." Nor did he ask about the future even if it was implied. Proper grammar works wonders.
This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
Something similar happend to Crash Bandicoot: N'Sane Trilogy. People should just assume that PRs are not going to contradict official statements on purpose, they could lose their job.
True that. Yet having to go to semantics when both parties understand the question is lame, but not illegal so point made.
Still, dirty af.
Great bottom line lol. Jesus people.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
your friend is an idiot for thinking customer service would tell him anything about the pc version.
It had both Only on Playstation and Console Exclusive afaik.
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/nioh-ps4/
The game is still listed as "Only on Playstation" on some regions.
And before someone asks, that label is not intended for timed exclusives, they have other labels for that, like "PS4 Console Exclusive Game", "PS4 Console Debut" and "First on PS4".
From quite some time Sony has been using a mix of confussing and ambiguous wording, contradictory statements and silence for making people believe games are PS4 exclusives.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
...? It doesn't? It doesn't have Demon's Souls nor Bloodborne, lol
Oof, yeah that's not OK.This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
texhnolyze
Banned
Tbf, it's not really full price as PC is getting the base game + season pass. The season price is still pricey.
Yeah, it was. That's why there were some debates regarding Nioh's exclusivity back then.
Wildo09
Member
Those are two compared to the bazillion soulslike games that are on PC, including the 2D ones.
grandwizard
Member
Between this and the gag order Sony put on Squarenix/Platinum for the Nier PC version it should be obvious that Sony is now opening the wallet to counter people buying third party games on PC.
Andrew House even said one of the motivations for making the PS4 Pro was because of them losing customers to PC gaming in the mid-late generation.
The fact they don't get as much heat for bullshit exclusivity deals like this is just a sad example of how much people want to defend Sony on here. Look at the shit show around the Rise of the Tomb Raider deal microsoft made and wonder why there isn't as big an uproar over Nioh and RE7 VR's mode.
Andrew House even said one of the motivations for making the PS4 Pro was because of them losing customers to PC gaming in the mid-late generation.
The fact they don't get as much heat for bullshit exclusivity deals like this is just a sad example of how much people want to defend Sony on here. Look at the shit show around the Rise of the Tomb Raider deal microsoft made and wonder why there isn't as big an uproar over Nioh and RE7 VR's mode.
PhantomThief
Banned
Because Nioh isnt an established franchise that has its roots on Playstation. But sure.. everyone here loves to defend sony *rolls eyes*
The roots of tomb raider are definitely not on Playstation lol. Might want to check that up.
Yeah the issue of ROTR is always in my mind when this happens, around twice a year. Gaf is Gaf, won't change.
grandwizard
Member
And Batman Arkham VR coming out almost exactly 6 months after the PS4 version? Was that an established Playstation franchise too?
jonscrambler
Member
pretty clear to me it's a 9 month timed exclusive deal, asking KT about it is useless if they are not allowed to talk about it. reading these old threads is so funny now
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330047
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1301203
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1306715
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330047
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1301203
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1306715
I mean... It's their own fault. Did you think the KT twitter employee was going to go: "No, it's coming to PC" 6 months before they officially announced anything?
Edit: Read the date wrong, that's from last year.
This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
How the hell would a customer service rep know anything about a PC version a year in advance? The only know as much as has been stated officially, most of that stuff is outsourced anyway.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
There's some shady practice going on it seems. Is Sony or Koei Tecmo going to address this or will they sweep it under the rug?
Seemed like a pretty basic announcement for a game that's been out a while. Didn't realize the passions were running this hot.
PhantomThief
Banned
Was there a big uproar about that?
Tomb Raider still has its roots on psx for most people even if the game did come out for PC too.
robotzombie
Member
like...did you want the game? did you play the game?
Crazy Diamond
Member
Weren't there hints before it came out that suggested it was coming? I remember reading something that suggested console-exclusivity as opposed to being a true exclusive, but I may be mistaken for another game. Hoping the port quality is more like Berserk and less like Dynasty Warriors.
Glad I waited, same for ff15.
I didn't like the wait, but not enough complain much about it, what I do hate is the PC version not being announced even thought it's being worked on ( or even already done ).
I have a ps4 and I shouldn't have to make the guess about which game will get a pc release down the line or not to avoid double dipping.
I didn't like the wait, but not enough complain much about it, what I do hate is the PC version not being announced even thought it's being worked on ( or even already done ).
I have a ps4 and I shouldn't have to make the guess about which game will get a pc release down the line or not to avoid double dipping.
yeah, and it was a lot of fun. but it looked like shit in action mode and I wasn't able to play with friends who don't own the console. after all it could have been a much more enjoyable experience with my people on Steam. another thing is that I will probably never play it again since my PS4 is packed up in a box and I don't see a reason in the near future to dust it off and connect it to the TV. so yeah, shady talking about exclusivity... I should have bought it for 20 bucks on ebay after release.
Check the thread Shari posted, this happened in more than just that one btw.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
What "bazillion" Soulslikes? The only other Soulslikes around are Lords of the Fallen, The Surge, and Salt & Sanctuary, and all of those are available on consoles. I guess there's DarkMaus but that's a stretch.
No, but they could have said "We are not aware of any plans for a PC version at this time" or something like this.
I'm well aware of Sony's inconsistent wording on exclusivity and MS is often guilty of the similar stuff. Just didn't seem like the type of thread to burst into 20 pages over something like that.
Taking any random employee's belief/opinion as the final word, especially in large multifaceted companies, is not really a great idea especially on things that will happen in the future.
Kaleinc
Banned
Who buys a console for one game especially if it's Nioh lol.This happened to my friend, he bought a PS4 for NiOh after this answer and now he's a bit mad about this.
Also fool me once
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Fool me 1000 times about exclusivity that's on ____ ?
demosthenes
Member
This is over a year ago, there was probably a contract in place to prevent talking about it.
pretty done
Member
Whatever floats your boat. I was fine buying the game on PS4 knowing it's obviously coming to PC later because I wanted to play it early in the year. Game runs good on PS4 Pro in action mode so I was content with the port quality. You're like super upset because you were forced to double dip or something. You weren't.
Next time show some restraint and just wait for the PC version if max settings/high res is really that important? Releasing the best version last is a pretty common strategy to maximize profits. See: GTA5 and Destiny 2.
Honestly it was pretty darn obvious that it was always a timed exclusive.
Was fun to see fanboys freaking out when that obviousness was pointed out, though.
"pretty common" *lists two examples, one that hasn't been even proven sucessful yet*
Nioh is a niche game. The only reason it's releasing late on PC it's because of a timed exclusive contract, not because they think it's going to attract double dippers. Factually, late ports tend to sell less unless your game is of gigantic proportions.
pretty done
Member
Dark Souls 2
Max Payne 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Vanquish
Bayonetta
Metal Gear Rising
MGS Ground Zeroes
Sonic Generations
Dragons Dogma
Alan Wake
Sonic Kart Transformed
Valkyria Chronicles
King of Fighters XIII and King of Fighters XIV
(Upcoming) Monster Hunter World
Ys VIII
Sonic Mania (though I guess this was delayed to make the game worse instead of to catch double dippers loldenuvo)
I could probably keep going but I'ma go frag some bosses in Cuphead. Please don't cry Bernard.
Amazing how not a single one of your examples applies in any way.
Hard to say since KT has done a shit job of listing it, but it seems the Digital Deluxe has a couple exclusive weapon reskins and a... PSN avatar?In addition to the main DLCs. Meanwhile Complete Edition just comes with the main DLCs.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I bought the digital deluxe edition on day 1, and it came with the season pass which includes all the DLCs. (And yeah maybe some avatar, I don't know, and some bonus weapons to start with who are soon outclassed anyway)
test_account
XP-39C²
Nice to see it coming to PC as well It wasnt that long ago that i read someone thinking it wouldnt happen because of Sony being the publisher in the west (which is a fair guess though).
I enjoyed the game. Got the platinum trophy as well. I didnt get around to play the DLC.
If you mean regarding maximizing profits, surely Koei Tecmo (or any publisher to the games listed above for that matter) would have released the game on PC and PS4 at the same time if they thought that would be more profitable?
It wasnt that long ago that i read someone thinking it wouldnt happen because of Sony being the publisher in the west (which is a fair guess though).I enjoyed the game. Got the platinum trophy as well. I didnt get around to play the DLC.
Indeed. And over a year ago, when that answer was given, the game was only on PS4, so the reply was also correct at the time.
Several of those games (or maybe all?) he listed was released on PC later on. The guy he first quoted seemed to be angry about having to wait, so all of those examples fit to that.
If you mean regarding maximizing profits, surely Koei Tecmo (or any publisher to the games listed above for that matter) would have released the game on PC and PS4 at the same time if they thought that would be more profitable?
I asked for examples of games that actually actively delayed for the "maximization of profits" fruit of a double dip. But more than half of those were not planned to be on PC to begin with and only after a shitload of years after the company realize the PC is a viable platform, they finally port it. They didn't have a "oh we'll wait 8 years to put this on PC, this makes total sense" plan.Nice to see it coming to PC as well
I enjoyed the game. Got the platinum trophy as well. I didnt get around to play the DLC.
Indeed. And over a year ago, when that answer was given, the game was only on PS4, so the reply was also correct at the time.
Several of those games (or maybe all?) he listed was released on PC later on. The guy he first quoted seemed to be angry about having to wait, so all of those examples fit to that.
If you mean regarding maximizing profits, surely Koei Tecmo (or any publisher to the games listed above for that matter) would have released the game on PC and PS4 at the same time if they thought that would be more profitable?
KT released the game on PS4 earlier because they got paid by Sony, not because of a shoddy "double dip strategy" they have.
test_account
XP-39C²
Fair enough. I dont think we'll really get the answer to that in every case. Releasing later on one platform does set up a possibility of double dipping, but i agree that its probably mostly done to reach more people rather than primarily trying to go for double dippers.
And most of those that doesn't apply to also weren't delayed for "profit".
E.g. Ys VIII was very clearly planned for simultaneous release and delayed for quality reasons.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Nioh is almost worth the console. GOAT moment to moment gameplay.