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[GhostTrick]

The only thing that's ever gotten removed was a trailer with an incorrect release date on it.

Hardly an inconceivable turn of events even if the game's producer hadn't already explained away why there was going to be a small delay!

And the logos removed from promo materials. And early 2017 changed to a vague 2017.

 

[Fdkn]

You mean, two weeks before the actual release ?
I could see why it's not random.

it's not like S-E didn't stealth release anything on steam or gave short notices before.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Tgus us cirrect,

Nope.

Wait, so it didn't? Aren't reviews dropping today?

 

[K.Jack]

4 days before Mass Effect.

Welp, what do I do?

GTX 980 VRAM 4 GB

>_>


*looks at his 960m on his damn laptop"...


If I knock graphics down, I can hope for 60 fps right?

Well, the minimum GPU is a GTX 770, while your GTX 960M is literally a desktop GTX 750 Ti.

I fear for your position, if the specs are accurate..

 

[KimonoNoNo]

Mountain, meet molehill.

Whether it was a pointless 1-week exclusivity deal or simple mismanagement, it doesn't matter now.

It's announced, it's being released, get it (or don't) on whatever system you'd prefer.

Talk about wasted breath.

This I can agree with.

Nobody can prove it one way or another, so in the end it's just a load of hot air.

 

[MUnited83]

The only thing that's ever gotten removed was a trailer with an incorrect release date on it.

Hardly an inconceivable turn of events even if the game's producer hadn't already explained away why there was going to be a small delay!

I mean, if you ignore how they removed all the mentions of the PC version for several months, yeah, that was all that has gotten removed.

 

[plasmawave]

NDA's for reviews just ended didn't they?

No.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Just doesn't make sense to advertise for a system when you don't know when that version will be ready - especially if it comes down to denuvo.

This makes no sense. When games get announced they get announced and marketed for all kinds of platforms before they are ready. Most of the time years in advance. And they are marketed for those platforms until launch...

 

[black070]

Wait, so it didn't? Aren't reviews dropping today?

Reviews of the Western version should be dropping within the next couple of days, there's only been 4 reviews prior from smaller websites, 3 of which were written a few days ago.

 

[sense]

They removed all mentions in any marketing , not just marketing about the release date. How hard is to understand this?

Tgus us cirrect,

Jfc, that is not concrete proof to say this is 100% Sony deal. Get over yourself, I am not stupid, so you don't need to keep implying that. I know how marketing deals work and I am just saying this is too dumb to be one and Sony doesn't need this sort of deal at this time when they have enough games to market and worry about. If it turns out it is a marketing deal then I will admit I was wrong and move on...

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Yeah, I see now it was the Japanese versions NDA's that ended. That's still something though. Any marketing deals end date is going to seem random really. Seeing as how not all are going to be the same during negotiations.

 

[Azure Phoenix]

Expected, but I don't meet the minimum specs. Guess my only option is to get the PS4 version on launch, and then pray to god that the Grimoire Weiss pod DLC will be available to buy when I get the Steam version 6 months down the line.

 

[MUnited83]

This makes no sense. When games get announced they get announced and marketed for all kinds of platforms before they are ready. Most of the time years in advance. And they are marketed for those platforms until launch...

It's really non-sensical reason. The DRM excuse doesn't really hold up at all. They stopped mentioning the Steam version several months ago, way before RE7 was released and cracked. The latest version of Denuvo has also been cracked today, and I bet 100$ right here they are not going to delay the game any further, putting that dumb reason down to rest.

Jfc, that is not concrete proof to say this is 100% Sony deal. Get over yourself, I am not stupid, so you don't need to keep implying that. I know how marketing deals work and I am just saying this is too dumb to be one and Sony doesn't need this sort of deal at this time when they have enough games to market and worry about. If it turns out it is a marketing deal then I will admit I was wrong and move on...

... by that metric, you do not have concrete proof to say this is not Sony's deal either, so ...

And you're saying that "this is too dumb" to be a marketing deal? Yet you believe Square Enix is so unbelievably incompetent that they have pulled this shit on purpose for several months?

 

[low-G]

So happy for this. Hopefully no big issues with the PC version and I can get some super sampling going on my 1070 to get rid of those jaggies

 

[Gattsu25]

PC version confirmed.

Lack of backwards compatibility on Sony platforms makes it impossible for me to replay the original Nier. Not going to let that happen twice.

 

[Clear]

And the logos removed from promo materials. And early 2017 changed to a vague 2017.

Yeah because ads specifically for distribution on official Sony channels isn't going to focus on their brand...

As for your second point, how flimsy is that?

Just admit you might possibly have gotten it wrong, I mean seriously now the Steam release date is out ahead of EU/NA launch, you're not clinging desperately to a conspiracy theory, but an ABORTED conspiracy theory.

I mean, if you ignore how they removed all the mentions of the PC version for several months, yeah, that was all that has gotten removed.

Man, see my avatar. Do you think, maybe I'd be the sort of obsessive fanboy of the franchise who has literally devoured every scrap of information published about it since it was first (and unexpectedly) announced a couple of years ago. Because I am. So trust me, if there was anything hinky going on, I promise you I'd have noticed. There wasn't anything, and the PC build was commented on numerous times.

 

[Exentryk]

I hope it has Dualshock button icons as an option. Otherwise I'll just go with the PS4 version.

Steam now supports DS4 by default, so it likely will have the DS icons. Even if it doesn't, someone will make a mod for it.

 

[Fisty]

So when this thing comes in hot, can we finally stop crying moneyhat?

 

[terencecah]

I can't hold all the games

 

[plasmawave]

Yeah, I see now it was the Japanese versions NDA's that ended. That's still something though. Any marketing deals end date is going to seem random really. Seeing as how not all are going to be the same during negotiations.

There's no NDA for the Japanese version lol.
The earliest western review for Nier based on JP copy came out on Feb 25th.

 

[jmga]

Yeah because ads specifically for distribution on official Sony channels isn't going to focus on their brand...

As for your second point, how flimsy is that?

Just admit you might possibly have gotten it wrong, I mean seriously now the Steam release date is out ahead of EU/NA launch, you're not clinging desperately to a conspiracy theory, but an ABORTED conspiracy theory.

Don't make a straw man.

The Steam version hasn't been shown on any promo material after its announcement in august regardless where they have been published.

 

[MUnited83]

Yeah because ads specifically for distribution on official Sony channels isn't going to focus on their brand...

As for your second point, how flimsy is that?

Just admit you might possibly have gotten it wrong, I mean seriously now the Steam release date is out ahead of EU/NA launch, you're not clinging desperately to a conspiracy theory, but an ABORTED conspiracy theory.

... you know that this isn't about "distribution on official Sony channels", right? They removed the mentions from their own channels. They removed the PC version from their own site! Jesus man, at least do some damn research.

There's no NDA for the Japanese version lol.
The earliest western review for Nier based on JP copy came out on Feb 25th.

If the reviewer bought the game himself, there is no such thing as a NDA/Embargo.

 

[Jiraiza]

Woo, triple dipping.

 

[Luminaire]

PC version confirmed.

Lack of backwards compatibility on Sony platforms makes it impossible for me to replay the original Neir. Not going to let that happen twice.

Well you can't play Nier on PC and it's not on Xbone so there's no platform that can play both games yet.

 

[Bonfires Down]

GTX770 required?

Idontbelieveyou.gif

 

[DMONKUMA]

Official Twitter

Oh hell YES!

YES YES

 

[sense]

It's really non-sensical reason. The DRM excuse doesn't really hold up at all. They stopped mentioning the Steam version several months ago, way before RE7 was released and cracked. The latest version of Denuvo has also been cracked today, and I bet 100$ right here they are not going to delay the game any further, putting that dumb reason down to rest.



... by that metric, you do not have concrete proof to say this is not Sony's deal either, so ...

And you're saying that "this is too dumb" to be a marketing deal? Yet you believe Square Enix is so unbelievably incompetent that they have pulled this shit on purpose for several months?

Yea I mean it is not like square doesn't have a history of stealth pc releases.....

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

There's no NDA for the Japanese version lol.
The earliest western review for Nier based on JP copy came out on Feb 25th.

Wait, is there an NDA at all for reviews? I was really only going by what Grief.exe said.

 

[pezzie]

I know this is Gaf, but man I've never seen people argue so passionately on both sides about something that is such a non-issue at this point. Well I guess that's not true, but still.

 

[jmga]

Yea I mean it is not like square doesn't have a history of stealth pc releases.....

They surely don't have a history of announcing a PC version and then go completely silent about it and remove all promo material of it.

 

[MUnited83]

Yea I mean it is not like square doesn't have a history of stealth pc releases.....

Care to provide a single one where a game was already announced to begin with. Care to provide a single one where they did that, announced a game, then proceeded to remove it from marketing, then randomly revealed the actual release date 2 weeks before the release?

I don't think you will find anything at all.

Wait, is there an NDA at all for reviews? I was really only going by what Grief.exe said.

There are NDAs and embargos. But journalists are not bound to those if they buy the game instead of getting them from the publisher...

 

[Gattsu25]

Well you can't play Nier on PC and it's not on Xbone so there's no platform that can play both games yet.

Oh yeah, I'm talking about years down the line when I want to replay Automata

 

[Euphor!a]

I feel like every FF game released on Steam was known about well before it was announced and SE refused to acknowledge them. This doesn't seem like a big stretch from that..

 

[Fisty]

Care to provide a single one where a game was already announced to begin with. Care to provide a single one where they did that, announced a game, then proceeded to remove it from marketing, then randomly revealed the actual release date 2 weeks before the release?

I don't think you will find anything at all.



There are NDAs and embargos. But journalists are not bound to those if they buy the game instead of getting them from the publisher...

... they gave a date and sys reqs almost a week before PS4 launch. You really think Sony is moneyhatting Nier, of all things?

 

[sense]

They surely don't have a history of announcing a PC version and then go completely silent about it and remove all promo material of it.

Sony doesn't have a history of signing marketing deals for games that have already been announced for other platforms and telling them to stop talking about said announced version until close to launch. It is already launching as a console exclusive so they don't need to go out of their way to sign a deal for a niche game like this when they have enough other releases to market. The example that we do have are when Sony were front and center for marketing from announcement to release and were involved in publishing the retail version like no mans sky.

Care to provide a single one where a game was already announced to begin with. Care to provide a single one where they did that, announced a game, then proceeded to remove it from marketing, then randomly revealed the actual release date 2 weeks before the release?

I don't think you will find anything at all.



There are NDAs and embargos. But journalists are not bound to those if they buy the game instead of getting them from the publisher...

The question is Why are you connecting the dot with Sony when that could just as easily be square removing them for whatever reason they saw fit.

 

[Cramoss]

Now where is my goddamn Steam store page

 

[Luminaire]

Oh yeah, I'm talking about years down the line when I want to replay Automata

Hopefully by then PS3 and 360 emulation will be simple, or the original gets a fancy PC port and remaster on consoles.

Everyone needs more Nier.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Yea I mean it is not like square doesn't have a history of stealth pc releases.....

But it wasn't stealthy at all... They announced it, made ad material for it and then suddenly removed it. And it would seem that that advertising had a release schedule because every time something went up, seemingly automated, it was taken down.

I'll say it again, there is literally no business reason that you would stop advertising for the release of a product for a huge potential consumer base where you make more money per copy sold for any length of time... for no reason and without compensation. ESPECIALLY after material was already made and displayed. I'm talking about steam logo's not release dates and what not.

And no, denuvo whatever or the game not being ready for that platform is not a reason. Games get announced for multiple platforms all the time and are advertised for them for years in advance until and after the game is launched.

I will continue to believe that there was some sort of deal in place. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong and I'll eat crow. Durant senpai and I will have a crow picnic.

 

[jmga]

Sony doesn't have a history of signing marketing deals for games that have already been announced for other platforms and telling them to stop talking about said announced version until close to launch. It is already launching as a console exclusive so they don't need to go out of their way to sign a deal for a niche game like this when they have enough other releases to market. The example that we do have are when Sony were front and center for marketing from announcement to release and were involved in publishing the retail version like no mans sky.

They have a history of many marketing and timed exclusive deals for sure.

And the key part is that hiding the PC version only favors Sony, there is absolutely no explanation on why S-E has been doing it for months and in the end they have only caused damage to themselves.

 

[Luminaire]

They have a history of many marketing and timed exclusive deals for sure.

And the key part is that hiding the PC version only favors Sony, there is absolutely no explanation on why S-E has been doing it for months and in the end they have only caused damage to themselves.

Didn't the PC version get announced way later? Any deal they had likely existed before then and by pushing it out they may have been breaching contract. I highly doubt Sony paid money for them to not talk about the PC version at all, let alone scrub dates and promo materials.

 

[MUnited83]

... they gave a date and sys reqs almost a week before PS4 launch. You really think Sony is moneyhatting Nier, of all things?

They moneyhatted smaller stuff, so I'm not sure what the hell is your point there. Sony does marketing deals all the damn time. Oh yeah, they gave a date a week before the PS4 release date...so? Where the fuck does that explain the lack of mentions in marketing materials for several months?

Sony doesn't have a history of signing marketing deals for games that have already been announced for other platforms and telling them to stop talking about said announced version until close to launch. It is already launching as a console exclusive so they don't need to go out of their way to sign a deal for a niche game like this when they have enough other releases to market. The example that we do have are when Sony were front and center for marketing from announcement to release and were involved in publishing the retail version like no mans sky.


The question is Why are you connecting the dot with Sony when that could just as easily be square removing them for whatever reason they saw fit.

There is not a single reasonable reason for SE to this by themselves on purpose. Not.a.single.one. Every reason you guys have tried to apply so far lacks any kind of logical sense.

 

[Nyoro SF]

Now where is my goddamn Steam store page

Real question of the hour. I need to keep it on tab so I can get the alerts!

 

[ULTROS!]

maybe se doesn't really care about the pc base and just go "yeah here pc people here you go whatevs"

 

[jmga]

maybe se doesn't really care about the pc base and just go "yeah here pc people here you go whatevs"

Why aren't they doing the same with all their games then?

 

[plasmawave]

Wait, is there an NDA at all for reviews? I was really only going by what Grief.exe said.

Not for the Japanese version no since it's already out over there.

 

[Fisty]

They moneyhatted smaller stuff, so I'm not sure what the hell is your point there. Sony does marketing deals all the damn time. Oh yeah, they gave a date a week before the PS4 release date...so? Where the fuck does that explain the lack of mentions in marketing materials for several months?

There is not a single reasonable reason for SE to this by themselves on purpose. Not.a.single.one. Every reason you guys have tried to apply so far lacks any kind of logical sense.

Drop the hostility jesus. The PC port is probably coming in hot and they don't want it negatively affecting sales. You are reaching so fucking far to convince people its a conspiracy when massive incompetence is LONG RUNNING TRAIT OF THIS COMPANY

 

[MUnited83]

Drop the hostility jesus. The PC port is probably coming in hot and they don't want it negatively affecting sales. You are reaching so fucking far to convince people its a conspiracy when massive incompetence is LONG RUNNING TRAIT OF THIS COMPANY

They don't want it negativelly affecting sales? Did read what you just wrote? What would fucking negativelly affect it worse than fucking pretending it doesn't exist for several months.

Conspiracy? Holy fucking shit! Nah man, I think you're the ones with the dumb ass conspiracy theory.

Let's see, what is more likely:

Sony doing a marketing deal, something they do frequently


vs


Square Enix being so mind-numbingly incompentent in a scale not ever seen before, so incompetent that they might as well be just about to accidentally set their studios on fire while cooking?

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

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Bernardo, I'm on your side bro. But there is no reason we can't argue politely.

 

[Guess Who]

Some of y'all need to find Jesus.

 

[ULTROS!]

I do have a legit question: how much proper announcements (like it was announced in a big way and not via Twitter only), care, and polish did SE do to the following PC games:

- Dragon Quest Heroes
- I Am Setsuna
- Final Fantasy IV
- Final Fantasy IV: TAY
- Final Fantasy V
- Final Fantasy VI
- Final Fantasy VII
- Final Fantasy VIII
- Final Fantasy IX
- Final Fantasy X
- Final Fantasy XIII
- Final Fantasy XIII-2
- Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Thankz