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Old Logitech wheels [with FFB] are now playable on PS4 via homebrew PC app
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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So yay, I finally have this working! But for anyone who already does, does the FFB in Driveclub seem a bit lacking to anyone else? Even with all the settings turned right up, there's rarely much feedback when running into a wall, running off the road, that sort of thing.
I don't know if the Logitech Game Profiler on the PC makes much difference... any ideas, anyone? Maybe it's meant to be like this, but I very much doubt it... it doesn't feel like much more than a wheel with some tight centering spring setup.
I don't know if the Logitech Game Profiler on the PC makes much difference... any ideas, anyone? Maybe it's meant to be like this, but I very much doubt it... it doesn't feel like much more than a wheel with some tight centering spring setup.
I have read that the force feedback implementation is far from the best in Driveclub, also that the game is easier with a pad than a wheel. It's not a sim after all.
Project Cars as a sim should be a much better game to try it out with, if you have that.
I can only echo that the Driveclub with a wheel feels rather weird and is much easier with a pad. I've only spent about 2-3h with the game though, trying various settings from the GIMX configuration and so on.
However I don't know if its Driveclub or the unofficial wheel support. Maybe an official wheel feels much better.
However I don't know if its Driveclub or the unofficial wheel support. Maybe an official wheel feels much better.
Yeah, I don't unfortunately. And it looks like there's not much else on PS4 that does natively support the G29.
Damn, I thought everything was going to be so much better! Guess I have to hold my breath and see what the next GT will bring.
With the T300 and FF at 100% the force feedback is very strong and quite well implemented. I turned vibration off, so do not get much feedback from collisions and such. The FF tells me very well when e.g. I start to lose grip.
Hm. Either it's how it's implemented with the G29 or this FFB thing still needs some work done on it. As a test in DC, going full noise at a wall barely makes the wheel move on it's own at all. Mind you, when vibration and FFB are turned right up it definitely gives some feedback, it's just nowhere near as detailed as I was expecting.
I didn't find the force feedback in DC to be as 'verbose' as it was while playing GT6 with my T500RS.
I'll be all sweaty after half an hour playing, so no denying it's pretty strong.
You're right that the FFB while going off road and during collisions is not very strong. I like it that way though, because I don't like getting my thumbs ripped off each time I smash into a wall.
brooklyniteOne
Member
Received the other parts now just waiting for my CP2102 to get in from china.
I planned to use this via desktop computer but may look into the raspberry pie setup. Is it working fine now? Any links to those instructions.
I planned to use this via desktop computer but may look into the raspberry pie setup. Is it working fine now? Any links to those instructions.
Hm, that's a shame to hear. So either I have to wait until GT7 (or whatever) or borrow/buy pCARS.
Yeah, but there's a difference between it not being strong and not being there at all. I couldn't feel rumble strips and barely felt it when the car was half off the road... even if it's not strong at all, you should still sense something. I tried looking at videos of other people driving with either a G29 or Thrustmaster but couldn't really gather whether it was better with those wheels or not. If anyone here who has a Thrusty that works with DC would like to test and let me know if they can feel rumble strips/going off-road/colliding head-on with a wall, I'd be grateful.
Sucks that I went straight from that to Daytona on PS3 (minus the adapter) and it felt wonderful. Daytona shouldn't have more vibration/FFB levels and detail than DC.
drotahorror
Member
I wish I could be more detailed but given my short time with the g29 (xmas gift) I noticed a fair amount of FFB and it was set to 50% in Driveclub. Wish I could help more and really test it out. Vibration was off as I thought it was just annoying and loud.
Don't stress
I only paid ~$25 to get the adapter etc. working, so I'm not worried about anything, more just curious. I did get to use a G29 (actually, I think it was a 920 on a One) at PAX Aus last weekend, but that was with pCARS :/You shouldn't really expect a lot of feedback from driving off-road with DC, it's very forgiving in this domain. Also don't expect GT-like sensations when driving on the curbs, it won't be as bumpy a ride. But you can expect some good feedback when colliding walls.
Made a small video with my T500RS so that you can make your opinion:
https://youtu.be/Z1ybKGY-Kr8
Wasted 2 hours trying to get this to work reading the wiki and various forum threads, then I remembered this above post. Switched the Rx and Tx pins and it immediately worked. Thanks Windom! (and Matlo I guess)
First impressions in Driveclub after just 1 short race, no input lag, force feedback is honestly better than I feared reading Shaneus' previous posts although Driveclubs force feedback implementation is definitely not as good as in sims and there's enough vibration feedback that I think I'll just keep it on the low setting because I don't really like the loud vibration of the DFGT.
It's late here though, so I'll test out some wall collision feedback and to get a better feel for the racing (very long time since I've used the wheel) either tomorrow or Saturday.
I also don't have Project Cars, I probably should have bought it in the recent PSN deal, but wanted to make sure this worked first.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Got my Leonardo board today but no USB module
How does one get a mouse and keyboard working in PS4/PS3 games?
How does one get a mouse and keyboard working in PS4/PS3 games?
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
USB module has arrived, I just need to make some ends for my adapter.
A neat little slide in casing
I did a short test and it works perfectly with Driveclub. Where's the cheapest place to get Project Cars?
A neat little slide in casing
I did a short test and it works perfectly with Driveclub. Where's the cheapest place to get Project Cars?
It works perfect for me too, except for a queue write error happening at random times. I've posted a thread on the support forum, hopefully Matlo is able to help me with the problem.
The force feedback is not as strong as I remember it from GT5 long ago, even when set at 100%, but that's probably more a fault of Driveclub's implementation than the GIMX implementation. But I'm happy enough with the force feedback from the road surface and from collisions.
As for Project Cars, I'm not aware of any good deals. It's too late for us to buy it in the 50% off PSN deal
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
FFB feels good to me from what I've played so far, just finishing up the tour and the game is much better with the wheel. Using 440, FFB 100%, vibration low and it's all good.
Been playing for about an hour and I've had no problems.
Fuck Logitech.
Been playing for about an hour and I've had no problems.
Fuck Logitech.
SkoomaSuckinSwit
Member
So I went the cheap route, and got my parts from China a few days ago, it took almost 3 weeks to arrive but for less than £5 delivered I'm not going to complain.
Tonight was the first chance I had to experiment, raked out my old wheel and pedals - unfortunately can't find the power brick, gah!!
I did set up the adapter and software though, was able to pair a PS3 madcatz arcade stick to the PS4 and it worked great on Injustice which hasn't previously worked with PS3 sticks.
I also had a few games of nidhogg - felt perfect - almost as if it was designed to be used with a stick.
Hopefully I'll find the power brick over the next few days and be able to test the wheel.
Tonight was the first chance I had to experiment, raked out my old wheel and pedals - unfortunately can't find the power brick, gah!!
I did set up the adapter and software though, was able to pair a PS3 madcatz arcade stick to the PS4 and it worked great on Injustice which hasn't previously worked with PS3 sticks.
I also had a few games of nidhogg - felt perfect - almost as if it was designed to be used with a stick.
Hopefully I'll find the power brick over the next few days and be able to test the wheel.
brooklyniteOne
Member
Got my parts and assembled/installed it all in under 30 minutes. Tried driveclub with a DFGT wheel and its really good. 100% worth the effort if you have a compatible wheel. Played an hour more than I intended.
I did get some random wheel disconnects though. Anyone else experiencing this?
I did get some random wheel disconnects though. Anyone else experiencing this?
GamingOblivion
Banned
So do I really just buy one of the supported wheels and use the app and that's it? I'll buy both Project Cars and Driveclub if this works as advertised.
No, it is not that easy. You need to create a special USB cable [no soldering required, just a simple assembly].
It's still worth buying the parts anyway, it'll be the same solution once it's worked out regardless. Get the parts now, play with it a little on the computer so when the RPi is a viable alternative to the PC for G27 support, you'll be golden.
Like DieH@rd said, it's not that easy at all. You need to buy some parts and follow some instructions to program firmwares to go in said parts. And then run the app and make sure it's configured/being detected properly.
I reckon this solution will have a plug-and-play format relatively soon (as in, months) but for now it's almost strictly just for people who want to tinker.
My hardware arrived last night and I pick up my jumper wires tonight after work.
I hope it doesnt take me too long to set up.
Any tips for plugging together the hardware? I see on the guide it has the wires wrapped around the teensy and usb to prevent shorting. Anything else I should take into consideration?
I hope it doesnt take me too long to set up.
Any tips for plugging together the hardware? I see on the guide it has the wires wrapped around the teensy and usb to prevent shorting. Anything else I should take into consideration?
brooklyniteOne
Member
A tip would be to use the pinout chart and not just the tutorial images when connecting the two boards. The pins on my boards and some others have been different than the pics in the tutorial.
Not really a tip, but I originally tried using Windows 7 to flash the hardware/ set up the software, and it was a bit of a pain loading drivers etc.
If you've access to a ubuntu 14.04 machine it'll be much easier
Yeah, on the cheapo solution I opted for after the first one didn't work, the plugging/unplugging to put the device into flash mode was a bit of a pain in the arse. Got there eventually, though.
GamingOblivion
Banned
Meh, fuck that. I'm fine with using a controller.
So easy to put together. Its like plugging up rca cables from the dvd player to the tv on a miniture scale.
Followed the steps on the tutorial and ended up swapping around where 2 wires were supposed to plug up.
I was back up and running in less than 20 mins.... though I still need to build a housing for my teensy and usb to make it all tidy and stuff.
Followed the steps on the tutorial and ended up swapping around where 2 wires were supposed to plug up.
I was back up and running in less than 20 mins.... though I still need to build a housing for my teensy and usb to make it all tidy and stuff.
CrisysCoreBR
Neo Member
I live in Brazil and have a Driving Force GT and have no ideia how to build that adapter. Anywhere i can buy it?
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
If you can plug in a cable you can put this adapter together. The links in the first post show you where to plug, it's very simple and will work out much cheaper than any pre-made one.
Finished mine up today by fixing the ends on with a heated up screw driver - looks a bit scraggy but it'll do
Still can't get the mouse and keyboard to work in PS4 shooters though? I've flashed the DS4 firmware but nothing registers, so I tried the DS3 firmware with the PS3 and that works perfectly fine.
Had to wait for my 1 week ban to expire before I could reply to you.
I'm having random disconnections too with the DFGT.
I'm trying to work out with Matlo (the creator) what's wrong in the thread here: http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1312
You are welcome to come and post your experience in the thread so that he can see that there's others with disconnection problems.
brooklyniteOne
Member
Ok will do. I'm running windows 7 as well.
Here's the adapter I put together. Found the case on amazon and dremeled it a little.
Here's the adapter I put together. Found the case on amazon and dremeled it a little.
Ooh, that's tidy! I'm going to try and squeeze mine into a USB hub, so the wheel plugs into it as well. There are spare areas I'd gain back from SD card slots, so I think it'll be worth a shot. But when I have time, of course.
Edit: FWIW bombshell, I'm using a FT232RL and I've never had any problems with mine, save for the odd "dropped" (from memory) signal. Never lost connection over around an hour or two of playtime.
Edit: FWIW bombshell, I'm using a FT232RL and I've never had any problems with mine, save for the odd "dropped" (from memory) signal. Never lost connection over around an hour or two of playtime.
UpUpDownDown
Member
Id like to put one of these together and 3d print a nice case for it.
Be happy to share the .stl once I figure it all out. Any links for the parts to be ordered to Canada?
Be happy to share the .stl once I figure it all out. Any links for the parts to be ordered to Canada?
I bought these parts and can confirm they work -
http://www.gearbest.com/boards-shields/pp_248302.html
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1254000
Both companies ship to US and EU, no custom charges due to low value, but might take 2-3 weeks for shipping
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Has anyone started selling devices yet? Really have no interest in trying to DIY it unfortunately.
Not yet. I still think it will happen, but give it months. It won't be soon.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Damn, those are super cheap! :O
No soldering right? I see there's pins on the Teensy-clone.
I'm not forgetting anything other needed parts, right?
Afaik the firmware will be flashed via PC and since I'm going usb and not Bluetooth with the DS4 hooked up to my PC (heard of random disconnects and FFB not being fully supported yet... unless it's all fixed now, haven't been following the last couple weeks)
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, as long as it happens before/when GT7 comes out I'm fine. lol
If you don't care how it looks you can get away without soldering, an elastic band will do the trick!
http://imgur.com/Uw03IRI
I've had no problem with random disconnects - all the parts are hooked up to PS4 via a very old Asus Eee PC netbook running linux
Well done Sir. TY.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Sooo... I'd like to not have to switch on my power hungry gaming pc all the time I want to use this.
I have no Rasperry Pi and never touched one and hearing about it looks a bit daunting, what would be a tidy (as in small like a mini stick or media box at the most) and cheap solution where I can maybe install an über light Linux distro (never done that either) with the sole purpose of running this?
edit: just realized I'd need to have another video out/in for it and all of my 5 hdmi splitter's inputs are taken and going to a projector, would it be possible to set it up so that it just turns on and go straight to GIMX running without needing to touch something each time (since I wouldn't be able to see anything)?
Looks perfect!
Could you link me to it?
Thanks man, just ordered the parts and what I meant by no soldering was on the Teensy clone board for the pins but I see there's no need to, will actually get a mini case with screws to enclose it, what are the measurements of the whole thing assembled if it's no bother
I have no Rasperry Pi and never touched one and hearing about it looks a bit daunting, what would be a tidy (as in small like a mini stick or media box at the most) and cheap solution where I can maybe install an über light Linux distro (never done that either) with the sole purpose of running this?
edit: just realized I'd need to have another video out/in for it and all of my 5 hdmi splitter's inputs are taken and going to a projector, would it be possible to set it up so that it just turns on and go straight to GIMX running without needing to touch something each time (since I wouldn't be able to see anything)?
Ok will do. I'm running windows 7 as well.
Here's the adapter I put together. Found the case on amazon and dremeled it a little.
Looks perfect!
Could you link me to it?
Thanks man, just ordered the parts and what I meant by no soldering was on the Teensy clone board for the pins but I see there's no need to, will actually get a mini case with screws to enclose it, what are the measurements of the whole thing assembled if it's no bother