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Old Logitech wheels [with FFB] are now playable on PS4 via homebrew PC app
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Sidewinder
Member
Yeah I'll have to do it one day too.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I think I'm too old to learn how to do this as a hobby. I'll just wait for PS5/GT8 to buy another wheel. lol
I planned on doing it but I just keep playing with the Pi instead. Its really neat, lol.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I remember having to build a manual calculator for a comp eng class ages ago, and that was neat. It's definitely neat, but I think I'm all for "easy" nowadays.
I built one for my DFGT about 6 months ago for around $30 using these instructions but if you swap the Teensy for a cheaper alternative it's less than $10. No soldering required.
http://gimx.fr/wiki/index.php?title=DIY_USB_adapter_for_dummies
Works great in DRIVECLUB after setting a tighter wheel rotation in game and disabling rumble (not force feedback). There are a few tricks to getting it started right and avoiding disconnects. Read the usage instructions carefully.
There is an already made version of this that basically works the same. Its been speculated that the makers of it possibly used GIMX to create it. Its called the Reasnow Crosshair. To me its too expensive for what it is. I'd rather save the cash and have the fun playing around with the GIMX setup.
I've read in your previous comments that you don't want to make a DIY adapter. I felt the same way when I first read about it but eventually gave it a shot, and its been a fun experience. The whole process can be as simple, or as complicated as you want it to be. If you do decide to give it a shot and happen to run into any trouble along the way, there is a large community around GIMX that is more then willing to help out when you need it.
Does anyone know how the Thrustmaster T300 works with Daytona USA on PS3?
Logitech G27 works for that, but can't afford both.
Any deals on the T300 this week?
5/21/2016:
Are they likely to have this deal again soon? I've never bought anything from Fry's before, but I signed up for the email codes.
I need some feedback on the G27 and T300, thanks in advance.
Logitech G27 works for that, but can't afford both.
Any deals on the T300 this week?
5/21/2016:
Are they likely to have this deal again soon? I've never bought anything from Fry's before, but I signed up for the email codes.
I need some feedback on the G27 and T300, thanks in advance.
You don't need to solder. Just follow a combination of this http://gimx.fr/wiki/index.php?title=DIY_USB_adapter_for_dummies and this http://gimx.fr/wiki/index.php?title=DIY_USB_adapter. If you get a Teensy board with pins, then there is no need to solder.
I've never played Dayton USA on the PS3 or used the T300 with my PS3 yet, but I have both. The G27 is a great wheel, but the T300 is on a slightly higher level in my personal opinion. The G27 feels the exact same to me on the PS4 using GIMX as it did on the PS3. I don't think the T300 is worth full price for any reason, and I happened to get a really good deal on mine... which happened to also be at frys electronics. I personally like that the T300 uses a single motor because of the feel when the force feedback changes directions. I personally feel like there is a slight deadzone where the two motors of the G27 almost feel as if they are fighting each other for a second when force feedback changes direction. It's definitely not a deal breaker to me, and I didn't really notice it until I got the T300. When using the T300 I get a better sensation of the under-steer of a car in game due to the dampening of the T300's belt drive vs G27's helical gears. The T300 also has a slightly larger wheel (2 cm diameter) and I'm personally a fan of the rubber grip on the wheel over the leather of the G27. I like to grip it gives me and don't mind the feel. When I first made my GIMX adapter I bought both Drive Club and Project Cars, but I ended up playing Project Cars all the time and just played Drive Club every once and a while because it had to much of an arcade feel to me. The lack of proper H gate and clutch support also didn't help either. When I got the T300 Drive Club became a more fun experience because of the different force feedback feel. I feel like the force feedback gives it a slightly more realistic feel. To me Project Cars is ridiculous amounts of fun with both wheels, but each has a different feel to me. Since my wife got me a TH8A shifter, I like the T300 setup more just because of the quality of the shifter, its 7th gear, and dedicated gate for reverse. Before I received the TH8A, I would use the G27 a lot more because using the H gate is the most enjoyable part of racing games to me. Basically when you buy a T300, your money goes towards the wheelbase and wheel. The pedals that come with the T300 are crap, and mine have been sitting in the box since they were put in there by the manufacture. I already had another set of G27 pedals which I had intended to modify to avoid voiding the year and a half left on my G27 warranty. I bought an adapter to use them with the T300, and I will say having 10 bits of resolution (1024 steps) compared to the original 8 bits of resolution (256 steps) makes the pedals feel even better. I do get thrown off a bit when I go back to the G27 since the pedal sets are the same. Before I bought a proper wheel-stand I would just swap out the wheelbases and used the same set of pedals. If you're considering the sales price of a T300 I would suggest you also factor in the price of another set of pedals (or if you already have G27/G25 pedals an adapter, ~$30 shipped), and if you want it, the H gate shifter as well. To be honest though, I have been using the G27 more lately because I like improving/tinkering with my GIMX setup, reading about it on forums, and making videos about it. In my personal opinion, if you already have a G27 and put together a GIMX adapter, the T300 is not worth the upgrade to get an equivalent setup with H gate and the set of pedals with a clutch you'll need. If you don't have a wheel though, it could be worth it, but factor in the total cost for the setup you want. As far as being future proof goes, basically if a game on the PS4 is compatible with the G29, a G27 (G25 or DFGT) wheel with GIMX adapter should work for the foreseeable future. To end my rant, I bought a T300 and its a great experience, but (for now) I still have my G27 with GIMX setup which is also a great experience as well.
I was too busy typing out my rant to see your post. When comparing them, factor in the total price of each as your "ideal" setups. I talk about both in my rant, but the T300 advertised for $220, or whatever price it is when you buy it, is probably going to need a new set of pedals, and if you want one, an H gate shifter, so factor those costs in as well. Also consider how you feel about the 3 year (if its still that long) vs 1 year warranty. I'm not telling you to get one over the other, just trying to provide you with my experience so you can make a more informed decision.
Right on, I'm awesome at not soldering stuff.
Goddamn the Teensy 2.0 with pins is an elusive bit of kit in Australia, looks like I'm gonna have to pay AUS$50 to land one from the US - still worth it if it means DFGT + Driveclub with force feedback intact, that's damn enticing.
edit: Just ordered a Teensy from the US and that other USB-to-pins things from HK, now to wait....
Can I map the buttons on the DFGT to do anything? Do the standard controller buttons on the wheel still work as expected?
I'm 90% sure I'll go for the T300. Now I just need to know how to actually get the $220 price I'm assuming that is the T300RS package (and crappy pedals) and not just the servo base unit.
Fry's normal price is $399. Walmart and GameStop online prices are $299. Amazon also.
Edit: Nevermind, I found saw the email code for my account with Frys.
As far as I know, if you are using the DFGT profile in GIMX you are using a predetermined configuration, but there is probably a way to change them if you really wanted to. In Driveclub you can change what a few buttons do, and if you get Project Cars, you can determine more things that you probably have buttons for.
The $220 was for the T300RS package. I remember seeing that code. I don't think fry's electronics sells the servo base anyways. A place called B&H photo (or something like that) also should have it for $299 online. Just wait for fry's to code sale it again or an amazon price drop. It will most likely go on sale again. Also Thrustmaster just unveiled a new PS4 wheel at the Grand Tourismo event in England last month that will probably be released later this year. If you can hold out, the T300 price will probably drop at more locations. I would suggest buying a new set of pedals. G27 pedals go for a good price in the States on ebay, and in my opinion are some of the pedals for the price, and are easily modified.
Sorry to everyone else for getting sidetracked from the GIMX conversation.
Re: Support for Daytona USA PS3
Logitech G25/G27/Driving Force Pro - Yes
New Logitech G29 - Yes (Recognised as a Driving Force Pro)
Thrustmaster (all) - No
If you need PS4 support then go straight to the G29 which also offers the best backward compatibility the PS3 games. These external adapters in this thread are a massive PITA. You're in a fortunate position where you haven't already invested in a G27.
Deals like what Fry's were offering are just random. Sometimes a supplier for whatever reason gets lumped with a bunch of aged inventory and they just dump it below cost to get rid of it. It's too hard to individually look at aged each item on a case by case basis so once they start gathering a little dust they just dump it and move on.
I personally think the T300 is worth the extra money but I've also had a couple of small issues with both the pedals and the flappy paddle switch. Didn't need to return it but did pull apart myself to fix. My G25 got a flogging for years and the only issue was the dirty pots in the pedals. Quick spray of electrical cleaner fixed that, but otherwise solid as a rock.
Personally I think you should just pick up a cheapo secondhand G27 and try it out. A LOT of people find they aren't very good with it right away and just give up. If you do stick with it then keep a look out for a cheap deal in the meantime, then dump the G27 when you buy a nice new T300 or whatever the flavour of the month is by then.
Whatever you go with be prepared to mount it properly and securely, and that you're very comfortable while using it. Otherwise they're all a waste of time and money IMO.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Maybe I'll take another look into this when GT Sport comes out. I guess things are probably a little more streamlined a year later, at least.
I got permission from Rudi to link to his post (here http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1687). Everything needed is there if you want to forego the USB UART and use the pinouts on the RPI directly to the Teensy 2.0 + to streamline your setup. Basically the DIY adapter becomes part of the RPi. He is using an older model B like myself, but the pinouts are the same as the RPi2, and he is using the exact same board you linked above in his setup.
To correct my last post, the old B that he is using does not have the exact same GPIO pin layout at the Raspberry Pi 2, with 26 on his B vs 40 on your B 2, but the pins he is using appear to be in the same place. Pins 2 (5v), 6 (ground), 8 (GPIO14/UART0_TXD), and 10 (GPIO15/UART0_RXD)
This page (here http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/simple-guide-to-the-rpi-gpio-header-and-pins/#prettyPhoto) shows the GPIO pinouts for all of the Pi models available.
Got a G27 today. Enjoying it with Daytona 
Got a couple questions, not about the G27 itself specifically... would it be worth it to get a copy of DiRT 3 Complete Edition for PS3 ?
No Gamestop within 100 miles of me has a copy and I'm near Chicago.Alternatively, I could just buy the basic game on PSN. Overall is Dirt 3 on PS3 with G27 enjoyable ?
I know full well it's much more arcade-y than Dirt Rally/
So it's really down to Dirt 3 or WRC 4/5
Got a couple questions, not about the G27 itself specifically... would it be worth it to get a copy of DiRT 3 Complete Edition for PS3 ?
No Gamestop within 100 miles of me has a copy and I'm near Chicago.Alternatively, I could just buy the basic game on PSN. Overall is Dirt 3 on PS3 with G27 enjoyable ?
I know full well it's much more arcade-y than Dirt Rally/
So it's really down to Dirt 3 or WRC 4/5
Got a G27 today. Enjoying it with Daytona
Got a couple questions, not about the G27 itself specifically... would it be worth it to get a copy of DiRT 3 Complete Edition for PS3 ?
No Gamestop within 100 miles of me has a copy and I'm near Chicago.Alternatively, I could just buy the basic game on PSN. Overall is Dirt 3 on PS3 with G27 enjoyable ?
I know full well it's much more arcade-y than Dirt Rally/
So it's really down to Dirt 3 or WRC 4/5
Congratulations on the new wheel. The G27 is great wheel. I've never played Dirt 3 with the G27, but every other racing game I've played is way more enjoyable with a wheel vs a controller. Did you happen to find it new, or did you get it used? If the latter, a brake mod should be your next venture... There are a bunch of them out there, and you can spend from a little over $20 up to hundreds. Best part is, GIMX will be there for you when you want to play PS4 racing games with the G27... and from what I've seen, it just keeps getting better and better as people keep innovating their setups.
metareferential
Member
Thank you cortega1 for your effort
Got my teensy ++ in the mail today, next week I'll try assembling everything.
Got my teensy ++ in the mail today, next week I'll try assembling everything.
Thank you cortega1 for your effort
Got my teensy ++ in the mail today, next week I'll try assembling everything.
Let us know how it turns out. Rudi recently update his post to also include a button that is programmed to properly shutdown the RPi when pressed.
I finally got my hands on a USB ampmeter. The one I picked up can read voltage, amperage, and also keeps a record of accumulated amperage. I am using a Raspberry Pi B with 700mhz and 256mb ram for my GIMX automated setup.
I connected the ampmeter to the PS4's USB port. I read slightly over 5 volts and had amp readings from ~540ma to slightly over 600ma. The accumulated amperage was 55ma after a 5 minute run.
I connected the ampmeter to the power going into the RPi. I read slightly under 5 volts and had amp readings from ~330ma to near 400ma at times. The accumulated amperage was 35ma after a 5 minute run.
I also attempted to get readings from the controller by connected the meter between the controller and RPi, and I also tried to get readings between the PS4 and the GIMX uart end but was unable to get readings in these configurations.
Comparing the two successful runs, it appears that the GIMX DIY adapter, and/or a backfeed into the DS4 controller (I have the DIY adapter and DS4 controller connected through the same hub), is consuming ~200ma. I will keep playing around with the meter to see if I can get readings through other configurations and report back if I find anything else interesting.
I connected the ampmeter to the PS4's USB port. I read slightly over 5 volts and had amp readings from ~540ma to slightly over 600ma. The accumulated amperage was 55ma after a 5 minute run.
I connected the ampmeter to the power going into the RPi. I read slightly under 5 volts and had amp readings from ~330ma to near 400ma at times. The accumulated amperage was 35ma after a 5 minute run.
I also attempted to get readings from the controller by connected the meter between the controller and RPi, and I also tried to get readings between the PS4 and the GIMX uart end but was unable to get readings in these configurations.
Comparing the two successful runs, it appears that the GIMX DIY adapter, and/or a backfeed into the DS4 controller (I have the DIY adapter and DS4 controller connected through the same hub), is consuming ~200ma. I will keep playing around with the meter to see if I can get readings through other configurations and report back if I find anything else interesting.
Thank you cortega1 for your effort
Got my teensy ++ in the mail today, next week I'll try assembling everything.
I got my Teensy in the mail today too! Just waiting for my USB adaptor to arrive now.
I got an RPi 3 in the mail today. I was able to load Raspbian on an sd and update it through the RPi, load GIMX, and create the GUI run automation file in a little under an hour. I didn't have much time to actually use the setup, but it starts up and is ready to go in like 10 seconds now (compared to the 45 seconds it took the RPi model B). It doesn't even go though a full wheel calibration. I'm not sure if thats bad or not. I only had time to navigate through menus on the PS4, but I've been able to power and communicate with the RPi 3 using 1 usb port on the USB. I had the USB meter connected and It spiked up to 900+ma a couple of times, but I also haven't disabled wifi and bluetooth yet. I'll get in a race or two when I get a chance and report back.
Oh god, if we can get a plug and play solution, even if it involves a Pi, it'd be wonderful.
Only problem then would be trying to remember what buttons on the G27 map to the PS4 wheel.
The buttons that I remember off the top of my head, are
-on the shifter-
-----------------
-the black buttons
----(triangle)
(square) (circle)
--------(x)
-directional buttons are self explanatory
-The red buttons (from left to right)
(PS) (share) (option) (not sure) <- might simulate the touchpad press?
-on the wheel-
-----------------
-paddles
(L2) (R2)
-wheel
---(L1)---------(R1)
(not sure)--(not sure)
---(L3)---------(R3)
---------------------
-I might be backwards on the L3/R3 and the not sure buttons, so it could be
---------------------
---(L1)---------(R1)
---(L3)---------(R3)
(not sure)--(not sure)
In Project cars you can remap everything via press of a buttons, but the only problem is that Project cars wants more things assigned then there are buttons on the G27 and you can't get out with saved settings until you have its minimum requirement for assigned features. It was a while ago, but I did finally get everything it wanted assigned.
In drive club you can't assign anything to buttons that aren't the same buttons that are on a DS4 controller.
brooklyniteOne
Member
A Raspberry Pi set to autorun the GIMX software is plug and play is it not? Whenever I plug my build in it autoruns the GIMX and config for my wheel and its good to go.
IronicSonic
Member
I use my T300rs with Daytona USA PS3 on regular basis (Me and my friends love playing it) and it's works great. Be sure to dial up the force feedback in the game's option for that complete arcade experience!
Edit: I didn't see the date LOL
It's more plug and wait and play, I think ;P
brooklyniteOne
Member
I hardly consider under 20 seconds to be a wait.
I just took my wheelstand out the closet in another room and set up the whole gimx/pie thing in under 6 minutes. It only took about 10 seconds of that for gimx and ps4 to recognize the wheel.
I just took my wheelstand out the closet in another room and set up the whole gimx/pie thing in under 6 minutes. It only took about 10 seconds of that for gimx and ps4 to recognize the wheel.
Rightio, made my little box with my Teensy and my USB adaptor - now to setup one of my Pi's!
Can I use a combo of the Teensy/USB adapt and the Pi? So I don't want to connect cables to the Pi, just plug in my little box of bits but the GIMX guide seems to be focused around hooking it up with the pin-outs on the Pi...
Can I use a combo of the Teensy/USB adapt and the Pi? So I don't want to connect cables to the Pi, just plug in my little box of bits but the GIMX guide seems to be focused around hooking it up with the pin-outs on the Pi...
Yeah got gimx installed on the Pi with the DFGT profile now, pretty sure everything is setup but I get a "No Controller Detected" when I load gimx from the Pi.
Hopefully that's just because my DFGT isn't plugged in atm and when I get home this arvo it'll just work.
Edit: nope it was because I didn't have a ds4 plugged into my Pi, one of those steps that isn't obvious.
Hopefully that's just because my DFGT isn't plugged in atm and when I get home this arvo it'll just work.
Edit: nope it was because I didn't have a ds4 plugged into my Pi, one of those steps that isn't obvious.
Fixed1979
Member
Finally looking to get this setup for PSVR goodness. The process has been made slightly easier with the development of a single board "TIAO GIMX GBoard - Game Input MultipleXer / MatriX (USB Serial and ATMEGA32U4 Development Board)".
Pretty sure this is the route I'll be taking, downfalls are it's slightly more expensive and larger than if you bought the pieces separately and put it together yourself. The upside is that it's easy, one purchase from one location and no assembly or chance of getting the wrong thing. Anyway, just figured I'd post this for anyone who may be looking to do this in the future.
Pretty sure this is the route I'll be taking, downfalls are it's slightly more expensive and larger than if you bought the pieces separately and put it together yourself. The upside is that it's easy, one purchase from one location and no assembly or chance of getting the wrong thing. Anyway, just figured I'd post this for anyone who may be looking to do this in the future.
SourceGIMX BLOG said:
Ordered one of these today for psvr as well =) I have a PI 2 already, so I am good to go with these two correct?
Gimx has a competitor now.
Latest Cronusmax dongle supports native emulation of G25 and G27 wheels into G29 signals. PC is not needed! All that is needed is latest Chronus dongle flashed to the latest software and a compatible 4-port USB 2.0 Hub.
Demonstration @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw-yDqGhBeE
Info @ http://cronusmax.com/cronus-pro-v1-10-cronusmax-plus-v1-21-firmware-released/
Purchase @ http://shop.controllermax.com/cronusmax-plus.html
If GTSport comes close and there is no G27 support, I will most likely get this.
Latest Cronusmax dongle supports native emulation of G25 and G27 wheels into G29 signals. PC is not needed! All that is needed is latest Chronus dongle flashed to the latest software and a compatible 4-port USB 2.0 Hub.
Demonstration @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw-yDqGhBeE
Info @ http://cronusmax.com/cronus-pro-v1-10-cronusmax-plus-v1-21-firmware-released/
Purchase @ http://shop.controllermax.com/cronusmax-plus.html
If GTSport comes close and there is no G27 support, I will most likely get this.
Not convenient enough for me to spend on a different solution. No PC is nice, but that's quite the ritual to get it started... and it's every time.
Considering that and the fact it needs a powered hub to keep the DS4 and wheel, I guess something as convenient as a "dumb" adapter is too far-fetched
Considering that and the fact it needs a powered hub to keep the DS4 and wheel, I guess something as convenient as a "dumb" adapter is too far-fetched
And ritual with the CRAFTING of the GIMX hardware and connecting everything to the PC every time is easier how?
Chronus software needs to be tweaked once, and from there everything is plug and play.
Apparently the cronusmax plus with firmware v1.22 now supports the H gate and force feedback for the G25 and G27. They describe it as emulating a G29, so it should be the same experience as a GIMX adapter and give full support. The only thing extra you need is a usb hub and controller to plug in for authentication.
Edit: Just used my eyes to read DieH@rd's post. Sorry for the repeat.