Xisiqomelir
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I'm curious about the Hackintoshability of this one.
I do have a legit Mac Mini to pull it off the store
I do have a legit Mac Mini to pull it off the store
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OSX High Sierra is now available via the Mac App Store as a free upgrade
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True, that's pretty big, as long as you have an SSD. I'm using a 2011 iMac with a hard drive, so I won't get much out of this update. But then, it's over 6 years old.
So the installer seems to do a firmware update on some or all Macs, possibly to support booting from APFS. First go after the long beep to notify the EFI update it aborted with failed to verify firmware update and then rebooted back. Second time it did the long beep and successfully updated. Gonna test over several days before update my other systems.
There are still benefits for APFS for hard drives, you just need to convert the drive in Disk Utility.
Mailenstein
Member
Fucking hell. What a nightmare of an update.
Upgraded to HS, noticed few apps working funny or not at all or need $$$ to upgrade to a HS supported version and decided to roll back - no problem, been there, done that. Yeah, no. Not with this one.
Boot from Image format drive to HFS+ and start to clone my CCC backup to the SSD like I've done in the past, says successful, reboots and errors out with an error sign or whatever. Boot into recovery mode to check disk utility and the disk is not there - great. Reboot, check again, disk is there but says APFS - what?
Reboot again, boot from image and go into disk utility and reformat not the drive but the actual device to HFS+, reinstall Sierra and get it to launch properly. Disk utility looks also solid, give my CCC clone another try, finishes successfully and right after that screen goes black.
Hard reboot it, boots into account just fine - awesome. Checked all my data and apps and everything seems to work fine and stays that way I hope. Phew...
I get it, new filesystem and shit, but this was the worst experience I had with a macOS launch up until now and I had quite a few to choose from.
I mean for people who barely know how to restore stuff this is nightmare fuel and not fun at all. I know I'm a rare case today, but just thought I would share and let you know guys. Seriously, backup your stuff and check if that backup actually works.
Upgraded to HS, noticed few apps working funny or not at all or need $$$ to upgrade to a HS supported version and decided to roll back - no problem, been there, done that. Yeah, no. Not with this one.
Boot from Image format drive to HFS+ and start to clone my CCC backup to the SSD like I've done in the past, says successful, reboots and errors out with an error sign or whatever. Boot into recovery mode to check disk utility and the disk is not there - great. Reboot, check again, disk is there but says APFS - what?
Reboot again, boot from image and go into disk utility and reformat not the drive but the actual device to HFS+, reinstall Sierra and get it to launch properly. Disk utility looks also solid, give my CCC clone another try, finishes successfully and right after that screen goes black.
Hard reboot it, boots into account just fine - awesome. Checked all my data and apps and everything seems to work fine and stays that way I hope. Phew...
I get it, new filesystem and shit, but this was the worst experience I had with a macOS launch up until now and I had quite a few to choose from.
I mean for people who barely know how to restore stuff this is nightmare fuel and not fun at all. I know I'm a rare case today, but just thought I would share and let you know guys. Seriously, backup your stuff and check if that backup actually works.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Updated last night, everything working really well. I like how much faster my iMac wakes from sleep. It's instant now whereas it took a couple seconds before.
Started the update last night, it seemed to get stuck at one point (calculating estimated time to install) while installing, so I let it run overnight. Came back to it this morning, progress bar was in exactly the same spot. I attempted to just turn the machine off and then back on, and of course it was in a non-workable state. Had to restore my Time Machine backup from last night.
Mid-2012.
I had the Toshiba SSD issue back in 2013 where SSD's were dying in the Air and Apple issued a recall and free replacement. I've been paranoid about the technology since then.
There was no warning when my SSD died.
It sounds like you didnt properly reformat to HFS+ before cloning previous system back. Remember APFS uses a container which the Macintosh HD APFS partition only forms a part. Disk Utility on High Sierra doesnt seem to expose the physical drive nor the container so youd probably have to use diskutil to properly erase it and replace it with a HFS+ partition as the first step.
Mailenstein
Member
Thanks for the reply. It works, so I'm happy.
TheContact
Member
Dont update yet. Theres a zero day in this OS.
(They can see your passwords in Keychain in plain text without the need for your pw)
(They can see your passwords in Keychain in plain text without the need for your pw)
Its not specific to 10.13. Just dont allow unsigned apps for now.
Gonna wait a bit before I install on my 2012 Mac Mini. There's no big, immediate differences for me as a non-SSD user.
What? That's an enormous oversight - has it been confirmed as a bug?
Ninja: Mac Rumours reporting: That's mad.
What? That's an enormous oversight - has it been confirmed as a bug?
Ninja: Mac Rumours reporting: That's mad.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Note: the zero day almost certainly exists in earlier versions of macOS, and the guy hasn't released the exploit code so it's not in the wild
I have the same model. So far, it's failed to install four times, unable to verify the firmware.
Hopefully whatever it is gets fixed.
During the installation process, my Mini made a "click" sound similar to a laptop when it shuts down due to overheat. It just rebooted, but the power led started blinking, then went normal. Jesus. It made me remember the time a W7 update glitched on me to the point it couldn't allow a login.
So far the weirdest update experience I've had on a Mac. But it works fine and dandy, except that the position of the upper left corner buttons on the Chrome window are more elevated than usual (what could it be?)
So far the weirdest update experience I've had on a Mac. But it works fine and dandy, except that the position of the upper left corner buttons on the Chrome window are more elevated than usual (what could it be?)
CrudeDiatribe
Member
What a fucking knob. It's probably from 2011 and would be much faster with 10.12 or 10.13 on it, assuming the applications you need to run on it are compatible (aka good luck with Creative Suite and Office).
Zombie James
Banned
Wiped out my entire system a did a clean install. Other than kernel_task taking up some CPU and writing a crapload of metadata for a while, it's been a really smooth update. Performance feels top-notch.
APFS doing it's thing:
APFS doing it's thing:
Wowfunhappy
Member
When APFS does its copy-but-not-a-copy of a file, does the copy show up as taking an equal amount of disc space to the original, or does it show the "real", smaller amount of space?
The latter behavior makes me... uncomfortable. If I have a folder on my hard drive with 15gb worth of files, I expect that folder to fit on a 16gb thumb drive. If it doesn't, it's going to create a lot of confusing situations.
The latter behavior makes me... uncomfortable. If I have a folder on my hard drive with 15gb worth of files, I expect that folder to fit on a 16gb thumb drive. If it doesn't, it's going to create a lot of confusing situations.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Early results are that it doesn't seem to be causing any more problems than most major releases. A lot of users will be able to update normally through the mac app store without doing anything special.
As you can see in the screenshot above your post, it shows both. Original size and size on disk.
It behaves as you would expect. All of the copies are simple references to the original file. Only when one of the copies are modified is new data written.
This is the worst time I've ever had installing macOS.
I tried to install one of the early betas, which converted my Fusion Drive to APFS, but the install didn't take, so I reverted back to Sierra and HFS+. No biggie, I'll wait for GM.
Now, because, according to a recent document from Apple, I didn't revert in the correct way, it's looking like I'm going to have to wipe my drives, remake my Fusion Drive, install, and then restore from Time Machine again, which takes all night.
Ugh.
I tried to install one of the early betas, which converted my Fusion Drive to APFS, but the install didn't take, so I reverted back to Sierra and HFS+. No biggie, I'll wait for GM.
Now, because, according to a recent document from Apple, I didn't revert in the correct way, it's looking like I'm going to have to wipe my drives, remake my Fusion Drive, install, and then restore from Time Machine again, which takes all night.
Ugh.
awilliams213
Member
Just a heads up to Cintiq owners from Wacom:
Apple has announced 10.13 High Sierra will be released September 25th. Wacom is currently working on a new driver update to support the new operating system. The new Wacom driver will be ready by late October at the latest. Due to nature of the changes in High Sierra, the existing Wacom driver for 10.12 will not work. To continue to use your tablet uninterrupted, Wacom suggests not to upgrade to 10.13 until the new driver is released. Once released the update will appear in the Wacom Desktop Center and posted on the Wacom driver page
Apple has announced 10.13 High Sierra will be released September 25th. Wacom is currently working on a new driver update to support the new operating system. The new Wacom driver will be ready by late October at the latest. Due to nature of the changes in High Sierra, the existing Wacom driver for 10.12 will not work. To continue to use your tablet uninterrupted, Wacom suggests not to upgrade to 10.13 until the new driver is released. Once released the update will appear in the Wacom Desktop Center and posted on the Wacom driver page
LordOfChaos
Member
The forum threads for it said the same Sierra patcher tool was working well for High Sierra too. Same kind of hardware support.
sweetvar26
Member
Wiped out my entire system a did a clean install. Other than kernel_task taking up some CPU and writing a crapload of metadata for a while, it's been a really smooth update. Performance feels top-notch.
APFS doing it's thing:
Clean install. Did you do that through a USB?
NekoFever
Member
If the drive is upgradable in yours, it's well worth sticking an SSD in there. I put one in my 2011 MBP and the difference was revelatory put off feeling like I needed a new computer for a couple of years.
Zombie James
Banned
I'm not sure what's up with that screengrab I posted because I can't replicate it.
Say I have a folder with a 3MB file and I copy that file within that folder. My thinking would be that the folder would still be 3MB on-disk since the copy is a clone, but it displays as 6MB. Looking at the file info or even through metadata command like mdls doesn't give any indication that it's a clone. I'm sure there must be some way to figure it out but I haven't been able to find it.
Yup. Created an install USB, wiped the SSD, then installed. Just follow these guides:
http://wccftech.com/create-macos-high-sierra-usb-installer/
http://wccftech.com/clean-install-macos-high-sierra-final-version/
Say I have a folder with a 3MB file and I copy that file within that folder. My thinking would be that the folder would still be 3MB on-disk since the copy is a clone, but it displays as 6MB. Looking at the file info or even through metadata command like mdls doesn't give any indication that it's a clone. I'm sure there must be some way to figure it out but I haven't been able to find it.
Yup. Created an install USB, wiped the SSD, then installed. Just follow these guides:
http://wccftech.com/create-macos-high-sierra-usb-installer/
http://wccftech.com/clean-install-macos-high-sierra-final-version/
cjp
Junior Member
Yeah, Ill leave it a little longer but it seems this issue is happening for quite a few people.
Some are saying its not moved after leaving it overnight:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-progress-calculating-time-remaining.2072186/
Memento_Mori15
Member
Installed it last night on my MacBook Pro 💻 and really liking how everything is sync with my iPad. Copy on my iPad, I can paste it on my MacBook. Xcode does seem to open faster as well and safari seems better. I only got to play around with it for a few minutes last night so Ill definitely try it out more later today.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Oh! I see now, missed that. And the more prominent size is the "real" one, without taking copies into account.
cjp
Junior Member
Yeah, looks like it had got stuck though.
I followed these instructions and it took about 40 minutes - no data lost so need to restore from Time Machine.
So after waiting for almost 4 hours I gave up and force closed my Macbook Pro. I restarted it and the mac failed to boot up showing me some kernal commands. Got me really scared as i didn't take any backup of my files. These are the steps I took to successfully install High Sierra without losing my data
1. Restart your mac in to Recovery Mode by holding down the Command (⌘and R keys during startup.
2. Go to disk Utility and run the First Aid for Macintosh HD. Make sure your mac is connected to WIFI.
3. Restart again in the Internet Recovery Mode by holding down Command (⌘
4. Now Select Install a new copy of MAC OS. It will take 45 minutes to install here. After completing this process your MAC will restart and do the installation again for 45 minutes. ( I dont know why it happened two times but both the times it was real quick. It didn't freeze anywhere.)
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-time-remaining.2072186/page-2#post-25124099
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Pretty sure this broke my MacBook. Am annoyed.
Unbelievable. Wacom really needs some fucking competition.
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