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Paid Skyrim mods being removed from Steam
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FNIS and SKSE stood with the community. SkyUI guy broke rank.
With Pateron people are paying up front for content that isn't made yet, same with kickstarter, without the money the content they want will never be made.
With donations, the content is already there for free dropping the incentive to pay considerably, making the modders rely purely on goodwill and Humans are selfish. Heck Durante who fixed Dark Souls could only muster 0.17% donations.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Map Stamps in TF2 make relatively decent money, all things considered. Not the same as paid cosmetics, but it's nothing to slouch at.
You are not required to pay any money to watch a Twitch stream.
GUISE ILL JUST RELEZ THIS SUPER AWSM VERSION WHICH I WORKED ON FOR MONTHS ALREADY BUT ONLY FOR PPL WHO PAY ME NOT FOR FANS LOL
I wouldn't be surprised. Bullshit never goes away entirely, it only comes back in a different form.
dragonfart28
Banned
Lol @ people grateful because a company had to give in after realizing they were harming their brand.
Stockholm syndrome 101.
Stockholm syndrome 101.
Ultimately, good. The execution of planning behind this was very poor. If they backed down so early, they probably didn't have much faith in it in the first place.
Honestly though, I think it should be interesting to try again but this time, make it with clear intentions, with a game that's more ready for the experiment. Everything about the implementation on the skyrim thing just felt sketchy and came out of left field, which I think is why the backlash was so violent.
I really do hope tho that we can have experiments like these in the future, with better preparation, and less pitchforks
Honestly though, I think it should be interesting to try again but this time, make it with clear intentions, with a game that's more ready for the experiment. Everything about the implementation on the skyrim thing just felt sketchy and came out of left field, which I think is why the backlash was so violent.
I really do hope tho that we can have experiments like these in the future, with better preparation, and less pitchforks
TheOctodad
Member
Now set your sights on Konami.
Zombie James
Banned
Wonder what's going to happen with 5.0 now.
Outtrigger888
Member
Is was a good idea, 25% to the creators was the fucked up part.
That's a shame. The system needed adjustment and moderation, not cancellation.
[Edit:] Doesn't feel very victorious to me. Now we're back where we began except several people's lives have been threatened. To draw some parallels, Microsoft renouncing Xbox One's required online and Kinect debacle, now that felt "victorious for the Internet," I will admit. That was plain bad policy. This was/is an issue borne from bad policy but it's a policy that was nonetheless legitimately progressive unlike what Microsoft claimed with theirs. I don't think the people at Valve had evil, diabolical, greedy intentions, I think they're merely grossly presumptuous and slightly incompetent. Sure, they're out to profit. But the bottom line is, modders have a right to compensation, and it'd be great if they could attain it through what's probably the largest platform for their practice.
[Edit:] Doesn't feel very victorious to me. Now we're back where we began except several people's lives have been threatened. To draw some parallels, Microsoft renouncing Xbox One's required online and Kinect debacle, now that felt "victorious for the Internet," I will admit. That was plain bad policy. This was/is an issue borne from bad policy but it's a policy that was nonetheless legitimately progressive unlike what Microsoft claimed with theirs. I don't think the people at Valve had evil, diabolical, greedy intentions, I think they're merely grossly presumptuous and slightly incompetent. Sure, they're out to profit. But the bottom line is, modders have a right to compensation, and it'd be great if they could attain it through what's probably the largest platform for their practice.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Cool.
It was a good idea but the execution was...well it was an execution all right.
It was a good idea but the execution was...well it was an execution all right.
BomberMouse
Member
A real shame they are backtracking on this.
BibiMaghoo
Member
This pretty much. Very unexpected.
SirNinja
Member
Making ANY money on one's hobby is a pretty damn sweet deal.
AuthenticM
Member
Good on you, Valve.
Patreon works for people who already have an audience, like YouTubers. It doesn't work well for someone who's only internet claim to fame is making a Skyrim mod.
Well, they weren't taking a 75% cut. Valve was taking a 175% cut.
They were corrupting these modders into selling out 100% of their souls in order to make 25% of whatever monetary sum their talents made. They then split the 75% with Bethesda, which got 40% of that.
Glad Valve backtracked. Great victory for the internet at large. Hopefully, we can keep the screws tight on Valve to keep modders from being corrupted by the allure of making money forever.
i.e. not with MY money. Let's be real the majority of the handwringing about compensation was motivated by selfishness not concern for the modders. That's why it was mostly the modding "community" getting upset not the modders themselves.
Modding shouldn't have to be simply a hobby.
It was set up so Valve take a 30% cut and leave the other 70% to the publisher's discretion. Bethesda was the one that decided to take 45% of that and leave 25% for the modders.
GhostWriter24
Member
Our long national nightmare is over.
Meanwhile, in Baltimore!
Meanwhile, in Baltimore!
CountAntonius
Member
The fucked up part was the implementation midway through an established game which already has it's expectations and modding community. They cause a mess and they realized it. It will be back though for the next one. What I am really curious about is how much this possible cash cow will change modding in their future titles.
Valve take a 75% from their own games(CSGO, TF2, Dota 2) workshop profits.
This literally the biggest issue. Trying to get money from outside help to fix their pos engine/game is a scummy move and doesn't surprise me that it was birthed by Zenimax/Bethsda
Keep on trolling.
The really popular gameplay mods generate a few hundred dollars in donations per year I'm fairly sure, from what people have disclosed to me. I have a very high ranked mod as well though it's not a gameplay one and I've made a whoppin' $22 in donations so far.
Yeah not gonna shit on Valve for this. They actually listened and fairly quickly too.
I could see both sides kf the argument to be honest. In an age where people get paid to sit and play games on youtube I wasnt too fussed with modders getting paid but again I could see the downsides of such a scheme too and clearly the community was very vocal about this.
Think I agree that in the short term a donation button is probably the best bet.
I could see both sides kf the argument to be honest. In an age where people get paid to sit and play games on youtube I wasnt too fussed with modders getting paid but again I could see the downsides of such a scheme too and clearly the community was very vocal about this.
Think I agree that in the short term a donation button is probably the best bet.
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Let's just say the could have handled the whole thing a lot better, but the backlash was absolutely ludicrous
TheDarkBites
Banned
"We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing."
No shit.
No shit.
Well, even a failed experiment has its merits. Hopefully at the very least this either puts more prominence for donation buttons and stuff.
Or that modders themselves re-evaluate exactly what they want out of the ecosystem, because this brought out some really ugly shit on all sides.
Or that modders themselves re-evaluate exactly what they want out of the ecosystem, because this brought out some really ugly shit on all sides.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I really thought they were going to stick to their guns.
But the damage their plan was doing was just too immense, and it all happened over the course of a weekend.
Who cares? A more interesting point, how often do such reversals happen so quickly. Generally these things get dragged out to the bitter end. I just think it's good it's done with - for now
Valve just cancelled a feature they had been working on due to backlash, after outright admitting they did not properly think it through, and you're still riding the "gamers are entitled and want free stuff" train. Okay.
You mean other than all those modders on Nexus with explicit statements on their mod pages forbidding their assets' use if you were selling mods?
Yeah, that makes it sound like they're still planning to do something like this in the future, but that starting with Skyrim was a bad idea.
Honestly that should change too
That doesn't have anything to do with what I just said so what the fuck?
They admitted that the implementation was poor not that modders shouldn't be able to sell their stuff and it could have been better for sure. Most of the comments have been shades of "modding was free for years but now they want to be paid!" (i.e. I don't want to pay, I want free stuff) or "the split is bad" (and this mostly from mod players not mod makers)
Steam180
Didn't expect this outcome. The reaction must've been TOXIC to the Bethesda/Steam brands.
I was ambivalent on this change so no strong opinion for/against but I am heartened that these companies listened to their fans about something.
Sad for all those devs that were hoping for the revenue share but the percentages were a fucking joke.
Edit: added clarifying comment.
Didn't expect this outcome. The reaction must've been TOXIC to the Bethesda/Steam brands.
I was ambivalent on this change so no strong opinion for/against but I am heartened that these companies listened to their fans about something.
Sad for all those devs that were hoping for the revenue share but the percentages were a fucking joke.
Edit: added clarifying comment.
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