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PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users
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The Last One
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Fine, fine.Xbox font it is then.
"Sony is not taking risks"
Someone actually said that? LMAO
Hey I am speaking from a perspective of a person who owns all platforms. I play multi plats using my PS4 controller on PC where I can dial up performance to my pleasure. All I am saying is I want to see more unique IPs. Looking forward to the likes of FF15, and KH3 along with Uncharted 4; unique titles I can't get anywhere else.
This has nothing to do with console war/etc like I said I own every platform
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Funny you mention this, as I walked into Best Buy last week to use some rewards on a PS+ card, and there were still two large floor stacks of Xbox Ones, and a small stack of 13 500GB CoD PS4's (the only one they had), the other bundles were sold out (Uncharted/Battlefront). Either they are over shipping, or the stacks have not moved much.
anothertech
Member
Pretty much has been that way since year one. The big deal here is PS4 may have eclipsed Xbone lifetime sales just in 2015, a single year, which is bonkers.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190537970&postcount=7147
Someone else in that thread also made the same sort of argument, but specifically for localizations IIRC. It was entertaining.
Plus for a while there was the whole "Sony isn't pushing innovation likw MS" etc.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
yeah MS clearly were caught off guard with that announcement
and i believe not long after we got the adam orth debacle:
Of the examples you gave, two are going to be on XB1 and eventually the PC. It sounds like you don't know what you want, but all of them are not new IP. Just seems a strange line to put in the sand.
The Last One
Member
I am reading the thread now and I can't believe people can be serious about this. Opinions I guess...
serversurfer
Member
lol Well, sure, but 2M units isn't really all that many to have stored around the world; warehouse space is probably comparatively cheap in T3, I'd imagine. Then again, 2M units could be more than they'll sell for all of Q1CY16, so maybe that is a bit high. /shrugI mean at some point retailers are running out of storage space
Tomato; tomato?
But yeah, while demand may simply be less than predicted, MS seem to have a history of substantially out-shipping whatever their actual demand for Q4 turns out to be, but as Raist says, retail will eventually tire of that strategy. Regardless, it's probably just easier for us to try to extrapolate their sell-through from NPD, and just assume their shipments are "more than that."
That must be the true origin of the meme.
Tomato; tomato?
But yeah, while demand may simply be less than predicted, MS seem to have a history of substantially out-shipping whatever their actual demand for Q4 turns out to be, but as Raist says, retail will eventually tire of that strategy. Regardless, it's probably just easier for us to try to extrapolate their sell-through from NPD, and just assume their shipments are "more than that."
Even if you imagine that their US sell-through is 11.5 at the end of 2015 (which it very likely won't) and a 60/40 ratio of US vs RotW (which it likely isn't) that'd put WW sales through 2015 at ~19M.
serversurfer
Member
I started reading this paragraph thinking, "Well, a bit back-handed, but I okay " and then it immediately went completely off the rails after that.
Sony's first-party are designed for mass market appeal? Da fuq? I thought Sony's first-party was all, "HAHAHAHA! Sure, it's cool, but who the fuck would buy that??" =/
serversurfer
Member
Yeah, we'll have a better idea once we get NPD results. Welfare came up with 11M US assuming like 1250K in December, which seemed like a reasonable enough guess so that's what I've been using for now, but who knows, maybe they will move 1.8M here. We'll find out soon enough, I suppose.
Regardless though, 60% US seems pretty generous. It was 61% US coming out of the launch quarter, and based on the numbers we're able to see, it doesn't seem like not-US has really been keeping pace — especially of late — so US is probably up in the 63-65% range by now, I'd guess.
Edit: Does not-US get the huge holiday discounts too? I'm wondering if those discounts increase US focus even further coming out of Q4.
I think around 11.2M in the US. And US+UK is probably 80% at least.
IndoAssassin
Banned
So yeah, I was bored.
You should add my argument. Playstation is sold in 123 countries and the Xbox is only sold in 45 countries.
The Artisan
Member
I wonder if zhuge can provide u.s numbers? Back in October he said 9 million
bigboss370
Member
dat brand power.
slavesnyder
Member
Why not both?
serversurfer
Member
Yeah, we're even less sure what UK is at though. "17.5M, give or take" seems close enough until we get the December NPD though. That'd give the US 64% with 11.2M, for example. Once we get Dec NPD, we can work up a better guess, based on a range of estimates for US share. (61%=, 63%=, )
Through November US should be ~9750K. We won't have end-of-year totals for another week or so.
joecanada
Member
You should add my argument. Playstation is sold in 123 countries and the Xbox is only sold in 45 countries.
also what happened to china hates japan
(and won't buy any of their products)
SolidSnakex
Member
It's a really strange argument because I think you'd have a hard time finding a studio that funds AAA game and is as willing to take risks as Sony is. Look at The Last Guardian. How many other studios would've kept that in development all this time? No one is really expecting it to sell a ton or anything. But Sony stayed with it and is still funding the game.
ethomaz
Banned
Let's see.
Dec: ~1.3m
US LTD: ~11m
Xbone max sold: 18.3m (60% US)
Xbone min sold: 15.7m (70% US)
~2m on shelves put Xbone at min 17.7m to max 20.3m shipped.
Fine, fine.Xbox font it is then.
Nice. At least the Xbox got something right, eh?
I'd say the shipment number is at 19.5 million and sold through is at 18 million by the end of 2015. Assuming the XB1 sold 1.3 million in the US in December, that would bring the US LTD to ~11.05 million. 11.05 is around 61% of 18 million, so the US:WW ratio seems very possible.
thats what i thought lol
The Last One
Member
I agree completely. And besides TLG we can see they giving liberty to MM to develop a game like "Dreams" for example. Sony takes a lot of risks.
serversurfer
Member
Well, sure, but that's still quite a range.
I'd be pretty surprised if US dropped to 60%, but I'd be amazed if it'd grown to 70%. Like I said before, 63% seems fairly reasonable, but it could be as high as 65%.Based on the non-US reports we've been, why do you think it's likely that not-US has maintained its share relative to the US since the launch quarter? Seems more likely that it's dropped.
The Artisan
Member
if they were at 9 million by October and sold over a million in November then they should be well over 9.75m, bruh.
I don't have any evidence for this, it's just my personal predictions. Your prediction of 65% of global sales is also reasonable IMO, but I'm being more generous and giving markets outside the US a slightly higher percentage. However, coming right off the holidays, it is very likely that the share in the US has increased slightly as well as Microsoft focus their best deals in the US during the holidays. So, yes, I'd say the range is 60-67% for the US share of the XB1.
They weren't at 9M in October.
Welfare
Member
Xbox One is at ~9760k at the end of November.
serversurfer
Member
Fair enough. When you said, "very possible," I didn't realize you were giving only the top end of a "generous" estimate.
Well, this is what happens when Microsoft refuses to give out the numbers. The best we can do is estimate. But of course, MAU's are way more important than sales.Fair enough. When you said, "very possible," I didn't realize you were giving only the top end of a "generous" estimate.
serversurfer
Member
I know Live is getting a bunch of its activity on Windows (Phone and Proper), but out of morbid curiosity, I do wonder how PSN's MAU compares.Well, this is what happens when Microsoft refuses to give out the numbers. The best we can do is estimate. But of course, MAU's are way more important than sales.
Metalingus5150
Member
I still remember people trying to argue how the Xbone's DRM would change the way AAA games are made and how it was better for the industry overall. Especially without presenting any facts. Plus how Sony was dooming the industry to stagnation thanks to not using DRM. Good times.
The Artisan
Member
not bad, not bad.
yes they were.
so what exactly does the extra 53MHz mean for the xbone's GPU? absolutely nothing?
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Thats probably the best put together analogy ive seen
Fine, fine.Xbox font it is then.
Wow, these are actually things people say? LOL PS4 is a great console, I don't get why some are in denial.
serversurfer
Member
That says PS4 hit 9M. Bone was behind, but I couldn't tell you how far.
Speaking of, some kind soul should hook me up with a spreadsheet of the historical numbers. It'd probably speed things up a bit if I weren't constantly saying, "Wait, what happened?" lol
In practice, very little. Back when the 53MHz was Bone's only advantage, the PS4's CPU still got more work done likely thanks to overhead related to the Bone's multi-OS architecture but when MS freed up 30%-50% of the seventh core for devs, it pulled slightly ahead. But now Sony have also freed up their seventh core, and allow devs to use 30%-100% of it depending on who you ask so it's almost certainly ahead again, and possibly well ahead if PS4 devs really do get the full core.
TetraGenesis
Member
What I love about this is all the people saying "It's gonna be SO EXPENSIVE!"
And look at that.
Exactly the reason I think all the people spelling doom and gloom for PSVR's price are overly pessimistic and will ultimately be proved wrong. Sony has been playing it incredibly smart the past couple years.
It means the Xbox One is a little better than it was going to be but it's still far behind the PS4.
Xbox One GPU is 2 x 64 x 12 x 853,000,000 = 1,310,208,000,000 flops
PS4 GPU is 2 x 64 x 18 x 800,000,000 = 1,843,200,000,000 flops
Xbox One GPU would have to be clocked at 1.2Ghz to match PS4 GPU.
TastyOreoFriend
Member
All other points aside this is just silly. What's there not to understand? Devices with non-removable batteries are a pain if your a power user. Once the battery inside dies/can no longer hold a decent charge your forced into either sending it in to the manufacturer or purchasing a new device entirely. This is one of problems some people raise at the iPhone with every iteration.
I think having removable batteries is one of the few smart ideas Xbox has had with their controller. Its also one of the few complaints, along with the rubber nubs, I have against what is otherwise the best Sony controller yet.
Cocaine is a helluva drug? Look even the best of us relapse....
But you can change the DS4 battery by simply unscrewing 4 screws & removing the back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OIrf5b4NM