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PoliceOne: 20 cop truths most people don't know
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Stephanie Sterling said:
Yup, a pittance. /s
SFPD Jobs Page said:
http://www.sf-police.org/index.aspx?page=1655
Considering that Police One is based in SF, Stephanie should know this.
Again, that is starting salary listed above. It only goes up from there (and doesn't include benefits in the salary number).
That's in San Fran.. A town in my state was paying a cop who had been on the force a couple of years $12 an hour. It varies wildly depending on your area. In the major metro area in my state, they typically start around $30-35K.
I don't think that's a pittance, though. That's not bad for a career that requires little education and skills to enter the workforce.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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21. I AM THE LAW
SneakyStephan
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lol nr 20
bullies demoted to burger flipper promoted to power trippers
bullies demoted to burger flipper promoted to power trippers
yellow submarine
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Am I under arrest? AM I FREE TO GO? AM I BEING DETAINED?? AM I FREE TO GO?
Higgins113
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But we already have all of off topic.
sixteen-bit
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it's just a truth u don't know
Alx
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There are bad firefighters like there are bad cops. There is a high ratio of arsonists among firefighters, for example.
EYEL1NER
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I think I knew that cops didn't like doing traffic, but I would be volunteering all the time for that. Not to pull people over who are going 5-10 mph above the speed limit or anything, since I do that, but the true morons on the road. Every one has those experiences where someone does something stupid and dangerous on the road around you and you say "Why isn't there a cop around to see that?" I see spots every now and then while driving that make me think 'Man, I could get a ton of assholes if I sat there, or over there, or after this turn...'
Maybe it wouldn't be some fun thing, with quotas to meet and superiors breathing down your neck for not writing enough tickets. Maybe then you would feel pressured to write BS tickets for 5 over or for rolling through a right on red with no other traffic around and clear conditions after a while. But the thought of pulling some of the drivers around here over would make me happy.
Maybe it wouldn't be some fun thing, with quotas to meet and superiors breathing down your neck for not writing enough tickets. Maybe then you would feel pressured to write BS tickets for 5 over or for rolling through a right on red with no other traffic around and clear conditions after a while. But the thought of pulling some of the drivers around here over would make me happy.
Nobody is doing that. However it is perfectly and demonstrably fair to say that there is a broad institutional issue with the current state of policing in the US, and that massive institutional changes need to take place.
Nobody? Just look the post above you, it isn't the only one either.
That's the Bay Area. Ridiculous salaries for Nursers, Cops, Firemen, etc...nationwide, I don't think the salaries are as nice.
kame-sennin
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On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:
"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.
There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke
Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.
Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."
Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
"Baa."
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:
"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.
There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke
Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.
Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."
Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
"Baa."
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
The Tofunator
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So basically, black people are wolves in sheep's clothing in the warped mental perspective of a cop?
So, cops are only targeting black people? What about Latinos, Asians, Middle-Easterns?
TheShocker
Member
That's beyond ignorant. I've lurked at this forum for quite a while, and there are is definitely a trend of anti-leo threads. I don't take the stuff here personally, just like I don't on the street, but this is damn near insulting.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
What is an "anti-leo" thread
Pretty much any thread where Law Enforcement Officers are discussed...
Threads that are created against law enforcement officers and the like basically, where said threads is full of people criticizing police and generalizing.
There is a trend going on, on neogaf, no one can deny that much at least. I have no issue with this, the only issue is the amount of illogical biased posts in each thread and if someone choose a more objective view, they get stomped on lol.
Then again, I am pretty biased myself since I am one of those people that likes to hold an objective view. I just feel there isn't enough on such threads... just look at the replies in this one for example, where a lot of the points are taken out of context and generalized.
Though I will admit, some of those points seem to not have been thought out as well as it could have been
Oversimplification : )
"17. We carry the job home with us. We remember the tragedies, traffic fatalities, hurt or dead babies, ruined lives, battered wives, bullied kids, suicides, and the insults. We remember."
This one I can believe. I've known a few police and firefighters and they all seem to have PTSD after a while.
This one I can believe. I've known a few police and firefighters and they all seem to have PTSD after a while.
Regarding one of those points, I've gotten out two tickets/possible arrests because I knew someone on the force, or knew one of their favorite family members. Of course that happens. One time I was a part of a minor altercation, but I was probably in the wrong because I stole on a guy until he went down for sucker punching a friend - about 10 minutes after it happened. One of the police on the scene had a really unique last name in this area. "Hey, are you Steve X's nephew? I work with him, he talks about you a lot". One thing led to another, and I was free to go despite load protestations from several bystanders.
Dude Abides
Banned
OP is a filthy Capricorn.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
lol..thanks for that.
So, this "GAF" character is anti-cop, and not against needless deaths and violence? I mean, I guess it's all about perspective..or as someone posted, bias. Maybe the world would be a better place if we ignored these stories. What's the point of learning from our history, anyhow?
Yeah..
In my area they start at around $40k, but they get a lot of overtime and the pay increases hugely with minor promotions. I work with a woman who's husband is a detective and made lieutenant. Not only does he clear six figures but he's poised to get something like a $90k/year pension in several years. So, basically, it's like the majority of careers out there - only they still earn a pension. My employer still offers pensions (healthcare) but I'd have to work there 30 years making six figures to even approach $50k/year. I'll be lucky to retire in 15 and get $30k. They have a weird scale that isn't linear.
What's is being objective, in your opinion? Ignoring the events where cops assaulted innocent people? Saying "not all cops" and pretending that stuff isn't common? Dismissing every potential racial issue by stating that not every victim is black?
I don't think people are hating cops just because. I don't think they believe every cop is a racist, trigger-happy bastard who'll kill every minority on sight. But what can't be denied is that there are some cops just like that (maybe not the "killing on sight" part, but you get the idea) and that it's a widespread problem. Nothing will ever change if we keep saying "Not every cop is bad and not every victim is black". We already know that.
I know you aren't talking about race in your post, and I'm not addressing that to you, specifically.
See You Next Wednesday
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just turn yourself in, SYNW. this has gone on long enough.
GreatestHits
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Nice job outlining the flipside of the world of cops.
The list is incredibly unaware of today's world. Most of those are either flat out not true or stacked so that you might think a certain way about cops, or get an idea about cops if you read that in sequence. An idea which is grossly misconveyed. I live in Texas and have a very intimate history with abuse of power or the lack of 'justice' in 'the system'. I don't need to take anyone's word for it, unfortunately I've seen all I need to see on enough of a consistent basis to come to a very strong conclusion about the state of things as a whole, not just a specific level.
But I digress, this is just a simple list of lesser known cop facts. Nothing like what I was talking about going on here
The list is incredibly unaware of today's world. Most of those are either flat out not true or stacked so that you might think a certain way about cops, or get an idea about cops if you read that in sequence. An idea which is grossly misconveyed. I live in Texas and have a very intimate history with abuse of power or the lack of 'justice' in 'the system'. I don't need to take anyone's word for it, unfortunately I've seen all I need to see on enough of a consistent basis to come to a very strong conclusion about the state of things as a whole, not just a specific level.
But I digress, this is just a simple list of lesser known cop facts. Nothing like what I was talking about going on here
I think Police Officers are human like the rest of us. Unlike the rest of us, they have to approach every single interaction with the idea that they have to survive and maintain a tactical advantage over the person they are interacting with.
When you go to pull your wallet out to show idea they have to already have in mind what they will do if your hand has anything else but a wallet in it.
Imagine doing that every day. Imagine every interaction with anyone while you are at your job requiring that you think "how could I take these 2 guys out without risking everyone else?"
Because they are human, this can go completely sideways. I think we have pretty amazing law enforcement who also happen to exist in the highly cut throat environment of US culture.
My main concern then is bad policy. No-knock raids. Swat teams being used for evidence collection, and ultimately the US vs them mentality that happens if you have to live your work life assessing how you could physically stop/eliminate everyone you interact with. There needs to be far more involvement with therapists to help address the bias that can creep into you as you work as an officer.
Oh and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJDQe3Zgxno
When you go to pull your wallet out to show idea they have to already have in mind what they will do if your hand has anything else but a wallet in it.
Imagine doing that every day. Imagine every interaction with anyone while you are at your job requiring that you think "how could I take these 2 guys out without risking everyone else?"
Because they are human, this can go completely sideways. I think we have pretty amazing law enforcement who also happen to exist in the highly cut throat environment of US culture.
My main concern then is bad policy. No-knock raids. Swat teams being used for evidence collection, and ultimately the US vs them mentality that happens if you have to live your work life assessing how you could physically stop/eliminate everyone you interact with. There needs to be far more involvement with therapists to help address the bias that can creep into you as you work as an officer.
Oh and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJDQe3Zgxno
Cops make a pittance? News to me. When you get to retirement age, a lot of the cops I see are making close to if not more than 100k.
EDIT: which in retirement is yes, 90k a year, for the rest of your life. I would know, I work for the pension system for the State of California. Hell, even prison guards make decent money and that seems like a lot worse job than even a cop at the bottom of the rung.
EDIT: which in retirement is yes, 90k a year, for the rest of your life. I would know, I work for the pension system for the State of California. Hell, even prison guards make decent money and that seems like a lot worse job than even a cop at the bottom of the rung.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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You know, I hear this a lot, and I think maybe this is exactly what is wrong with a lot of policing. They don't treat people like people, they treat everyone like a threat or a perp they have to deal with.
Given how relatively, stunningly rare it is that a cop is actually attacked making a traffic or other stop, do you think this is even a realistic outlook? Do you think that every time someone reaches for his wallet to give his ID to a bartender he's going to shoot them too? It's just baseless and out of touch with reality.
More cops die from accidents and other causes each year than are murdered, and that's probably a function of how frequently they are behind the wheel. I'm not saying it's a safe job, by any stretch, just that this entire mindset that they are constantly worried they are going to be killed is just bullshit. They must be targeted for crime far less than other people are while in uniform. So why treat the public like a threat when the vast majority of them are upstanding citizens? There is absolutely no reason they should be doing anything other than a rudimentary threat assessment on the people they are around unless they are responding to a call. That rudimentary threat assessment is the same thing anyone does when they walk down the street at night.
AbsolutBro
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I know the whole thing is a metaphor, and we're really not supposed to look too deeply into them, but as someone who raises sheep and goats it is obvious to me that this person has no actual knowledge of these animals beyond the "lol sheep r dumb and flock" garbage.
Maybe it's the actual shepherd in me, but the constant "lol sheep" comparisons get really annoying.
IsntChrisL
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These guys think they're Batman.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Wait are we judging a majority by the minority? Holy crap is this allowed again?!?
We're judging it's most popular and widely approved forum and news site by the words and deeds of its contributors and discussing its institutional and monolithic support of a self serving and corrupt wall of silence. Did you read anything in the thread at all?
Stop entertaining him. He doesn't want to understand it.
benjipwns
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Fuck you and your slander, I'm an Aries.
To see how ridiculous these statements are you just need to look at the kind of news US police produces all the time. Yes, there are countries where police are trusted and respected for a reason. The reason is that the police in those countries is not rotten as an institution like in the USA.
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