Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Project Draco - New kinect game by Yukio Futatsugi (Panzer Dragoon, Phantom Dust)
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Elfforkusu said:
No, this is going to start with you owning Kinect.
TheFightingFish said:
I have to agree, it would be incredible. The biggest problem with Kinect, as everyone here knows, is that there is no controller. It's fine and dandy to do this with certain games, but most just cannot be played without buttons. I feel confident though, that this creative team has found something that works. If no one else can do it, they definitely can.
gunstarhero
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Panzer Dragoon + Kinect actually sounds pretty awesome to me. I just need to find leather reins and I'm all set. 
MS is killing it at TGS with Kinect -
woah fella
MS is killing it at TGS with Kinect -
woah fella
gunstarhero said:Panzer Dragoon + Kinect actually sounds pretty awesome to me. I just need to find leather reins and I'm all set.
MS is killing it at TGS with Kinect -
woah fella
Haha, well yes, MS is definitely showing us up on Kinect. Shame they didn't do this at E3, but I guess they had to have something to show for TGS. Reins or no reigns, I'm playing Panzer and I'll wave my hands in the air like I just don't care, if I have to.
krypt0nian
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duckroll said:
Nevermind console exclusivity, which of these TGS reveals are confirmed as Kinect exclusives?
I need to know which to write off as dead to me.
skyfinch
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gunstarhero said:Panzer Dragoon + Kinect actually sounds pretty awesome to me. I just need to find leather reins and I'm all set.
MS is killing it at TGS with Kinect -
woah fella
I have a dozen spare reins if you need any. They're used, and a bit stained, but still in good shape.
Maleficence
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STOP NAMING THINGS "PROJECT"!
It sounds retarded and lazy. Thanks.
It sounds retarded and lazy. Thanks.
Father_Brain
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krypt0nian said:Nevermind console exclusivity, which of these TGS reveals are confirmed as Kinect exclusives?
I need to know which to write off as dead to me.
Other than Child of Eden, the trailers for all those games said "exclusively for Kinect."
Clear
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The biggest design problem posed by all motion-control systems, and particularly with Kinect is managing energy expenditure on the part of the player.
Too long, or too much sustained intensity and a good proportion of your market is going to be gassed before the end of the first level. Not to mention a lot of the target audience is going to be looking for relaxation rather than a workout, so if its unduly taxing physically its going to be turn-off anyway.
In the end, there's no avoiding the "bite-sized" design mentality because the intensity and duration of action in conventional hard-core games is going to give a lot of player's a coronary before the first level is through.
Adjust your expectations guys. The functionality and efficacy of the input hardware apart, you still have to factor in average fitness levels as part of the design - and that is a major game changer both metaphorically and in implementation terms.
Too long, or too much sustained intensity and a good proportion of your market is going to be gassed before the end of the first level. Not to mention a lot of the target audience is going to be looking for relaxation rather than a workout, so if its unduly taxing physically its going to be turn-off anyway.
In the end, there's no avoiding the "bite-sized" design mentality because the intensity and duration of action in conventional hard-core games is going to give a lot of player's a coronary before the first level is through.
Adjust your expectations guys. The functionality and efficacy of the input hardware apart, you still have to factor in average fitness levels as part of the design - and that is a major game changer both metaphorically and in implementation terms.
Segata Sanshiro
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It's just a working title, and they obviously wanted something that would initialize to 'PD'. How much effort do you want them to put into a title they're going to discard?Maleficence said:
robor
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Clear said:
I totally agree with this. That was my first conclusion when Kinect was first announced. A guy that goes to a gym will have more sustainability in play with some of the more active games coming out on Kinect due to his physical stature, but what happens when a fat dude plays that same game? Hell, what if he can't execute some of the simple tasks due to his obesity? That's a bit extreme I know but it's there. I mean there are more examples that prevent people from physically executing the most basic inputs for a Kinect game.
With Kore games, it will have a more subtle implementation imo. With Draco, I think the idea of having a saddle mechanic is really cool, depending on how well it's implemented of course.
krypt0nian
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Father_Brain said:
Oh well. At least the art assets will be nice.
Maleficence
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Why not just "Draco"? I just really hate the Project thing, it's annoying as I said earlier.
Segata Sanshiro
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Draco doesn't shorten to the same initials as Panzer Dragoon.Maleficence said:Why not just "Draco"? I just really hate the Project thing, it's annoying as I said earlier.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Im not gonna make the same mistake again, when Project Draco Saga comes out I'll buy multiple copies.
â Narayan
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:lolB_Rik_Schitthaus said:
robor
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Been analyzing this trailer and I noticed the riders are standing. I get the impression that you'll have full motion control of the rider and you'll steer the dragon via a saddle mechanic. I imagine the saddle will be the basic mode of input. Maybe you tug to get the dragon to spew a fireball, and pull back to slow down, then give some slack to speed back up. Pull on the left hand to turn left etc.
I can't wait to see how it plays.
I can't wait to see how it plays.
derFeef said:
Faith is for religious nutjobs. I only respond to action and facts.
Since everything I've actually seen and read about Kinect looks uniformly awful, there's no need to have faith. All I need is to pop open a video.
I mean, it's not that these developers don't have the intent to make quality games. It's that the Kinect technology is just mindblowingly awful. In every way.
Let's say this game played like some Panzer Dragoon titles, the Kinect's immense lag alone would kill it.
Vinterbird
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Amir0x said:
You haven't played with Kinect I figure? There is no niticable lag when playing it, and it feels responsive and natural. Of course it might suck for those people that demand buttons no matter what, and hates anything that might differentiate itself from anything else ever made.
Crazy thing might be to wait until we see the game and maybe judge it after playing it?
TheFightingFish said:
Hybrid games will be announced in 2011.
Vinterbird said:
No noticeable lag? Are you fucking kidding me? You may be blinded to the lag, but in every Kinect game I've ever seen played live or otherwise, the lag is extremely noticeable.
It's lovely that you're not sensitive to that sort of thing, but don't boldly apply your lack of standards to everyone else.
derFeef said:
I'm loving it. The GAF kinect hate train is now at top speed, i doubt it can go more faster before it crashes in a heap of hypocrisy and back tracking.
It's like MS basically trolled the lot of them oh you want a spiritual follow up to Panzer Dragoon and a new Steel Battalion game and a Suda 51 game? Well you'll need a Kinect.
To be honest i can't wait for the thing to come out so those of us purchasing can buy one and enjoy it and the others can carry on bitching and sniping. As any thread on it has become predictable and lame. It's not even worth trying to discuss Kinect because of the hilarious over the top hostility towards it.
I mean look at that Ipad/Kinect thread you have people who if they really hated it would just keep it moving but their basically doing MS PR's job for them.
Well done boys.
Vinterbird
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Amir0x said:
I'm just saying that when you are actually playing, it feels very responsive and there is not noticeable (being a second or more) lag. It could be an illusion of playing rather then watching, but if that is the case it becomes irrelevant when you are actually playing the game.
Vinterbird said:
Again, I notice lag on certain NORMAL GAMES and many, many WII GAMES
Kinect has lag infinitely worse than those. Kinect Sports has 150ms response time and not even factoring in your television. That's fucking obscene.
This is the same shit that happened with Wii. People got obsessed with the gimmickry of it all, the idea of doing something different for difference sake, and they lowered their standards to meet the many, many flaws the controller had.
Kinect is worse off yet - it has no buttons, which functionally limits the type of gameplay it can do by a factor of a hundred. And then to boost it off, you got the lag? You got the way it frequently glitches out or fails to recognize this or that? You can't sit and play for most if not all games? Absurd.
Kinect is for people with lowered standards, not me. I don't settle for less because I'm such a boring person that my ADHD requires me to move on every two days to the next big novelty gimmick.
InaudibleWhispa
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I've noticed with quite a few impressions that Kinect lag seems to look worse than it feels. I've read "I felt no lag" or "There was a slight delay, but nothing too bad" a lot, whereas I haven't read "It was an unplayable mess. The lag was awful" much at all. In fact such comments seem to only come from those that have watched Kinect on a computer screen.Amir0x said:
As long as it feels responsive, I don't mind. I'm sure controller lag would looks more apparent if every thumb movement of an analogue stick was magnified to the size of a sweeping arm gesture. Regardless, I think it's too soon to judge what Kinect's hardware is capable of because some pre-release software looks laggy. Anyone following Rally Ball since E3 09 will have noticed the improvements in responsiveness as newer builds have been shown over the past year, and that will only continue to improve as the games approach release (and even after release with Kinect's software upgrades).
Supervlieg
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Concepts look great, and very panzer like
Halo does not play itself right.segarr said:
Gamepad lag is about 22ms. That means Halo has a 128ms backend.
If you played Halo 3 with Kinect it would mean the game had a responsiveness of 278ms.
Add the fact that you're also much more sensitive to lag when doing motion gaming because you have no other relevance like a button click and physicality and you can see where this is going.
Ok. Now we just have to see if say 300ms really makes the games unplayable or if they're still enjoyable.Man said:
Edit: I hope it's the latter because the potential of the thing seems amazing and great to get your blood circulating as well.(Not yoga games either). I just fear MS be launching too early or cheapened out on the tech.
Who knows, with firmware updates and dev innovation, they may find ways to get it more responsive. Look at SW:TFU2, they found a way to make 30fps run at 60fps with no hits other than some slight artifacts!