blitzcloud
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i just hope they give the "upgrade" a sensible pricetag.
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PS+ version of Driveclub will have 5 tracks (1 country) and 10 cars.
- Thread starter ShogunDarius
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He says you can't complete the "DRIVECLUB Tour". What ever it is, I'm guessing it's not needed for the platinum trophy.
PodcastFips
Member
Yeah, how about getting some correct information instead of cursing:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=110207407&postcount=1428
That's exactly why this thread needs to die.
People stopped using comprehensive reading like 20 pages ago.
If the game is really good, there will be many hours of gameplay. If the game is meh, it will feel like a long demo.
As for myself, I'm fine with the amount of content. It will be enough to give an exact image of what the full game will be. This will help the decision of upgrading / not upgrading, much better than most demos out there.
As for myself, I'm fine with the amount of content. It will be enough to give an exact image of what the full game will be. This will help the decision of upgrading / not upgrading, much better than most demos out there.
"Yes, the PS Plus version will be the exact same as the full version, except that it may be missing a few assets such as cars or tracks, that will be found in the full version"
Either way, these are vague statements that in no way promised anything definite.
But this is where I exit the thread (which should have ended 20 pages ago). People are convinced that they have been cheated, betrayed, lied to, abused, scammed, and ripped-off. There's no way to change their mind about it.
trophies may be challenge based, not progress/content based. ie, drift for this long, beat a friends time etc.
I don't even have a PS4*, nonetheless I'm not happy about the turn of events.
It's about principles: companies shouldn't get away with lying to their costumers. Especially when those lies were for some consumers one more reason to buy the product (PS4) in first place, a product they wouldn't have bought otherwise.
*but I have a PSX, PS2, PS3 and PSP, so it's not like I love bashing Sony.
It's about principles: companies shouldn't get away with lying to their costumers. Especially when those lies were for some consumers one more reason to buy the product (PS4) in first place, a product they wouldn't have bought otherwise.
- A few isn't 80%, there's no way around it.
- If during the delay they added more content, they should've altered the PS+ version as well, to stay in line with how they previously advertised it.
- If you think they didn't lie to you, that's fine, it doesn't change the fact they've actually lied, or to better put it they didn't keep their promise.
- If you think that's an amazing amount of stuff for a free game... you're right. Maybe Sony should've thought about it that way as well, advertising the free version for what it was, instead than trying to hype it up to be more than what it was gonna end up being.
- Driveclub was supposed to be out last year, just like the PS+ version, the fact it got delayed a full year is already bad, because there was a promise of a free version coming out in 2013 to the consumers, now we learn that not only it was delayed but it also features much less content than what was implied at first.
*but I have a PSX, PS2, PS3 and PSP, so it's not like I love bashing Sony.
I lean towards Sony heavily (post the DRM saga) but will admit that they did back away on their original claims. I'm not upset though, just ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Which group do I fit in? WHICH SEAT DO I TAKE?
sitting in the front seat? sitting in the back seat? gotta make your mind up. which seat should you take?
Portugeezer
Member
With mandatory payment for multiplayer the value of PS+ is diminishing, on PS4 anyway.
I knew they couldn't live up to the promises.
I knew they couldn't live up to the promises.
3rdamention
Member
For someone who doesn't own a PS4, you sure do seem concerned. It doesn't effect you, but I do appreciate you looking out for everyone....
I'm anxious to read your write-up about Microsoft's cloud claims, and what they can also truly deliver, no lies, etc.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Perhaps you should read through at least the first sentence in the first post, before you starts to get upset and the name callings.
I agree with most people complaining.
I can understand that things in development could change and I can even understand a few compromises even from the point of view of the consumer.
BUT
There is a BIG difference in the content they promised and the content they will actually provide.
They even told people they would be able to platinum the game as PS PLUS members.
They said that 80% of the game would be available as PS PLUS version.
Unless 1 country and 5 tracks and 10 cars are 80% of the retail version of Driveclub (which I highly doubt because that would be the epitome of FAIL) then this doesnt sit well with me.
I can make compromises and I can understand the game had a major bump/overhaul in its development, leading to a 1 year delay, and probably lots of money.
But ffs this looks more like a buffed up demo than the PS PLUS version we were promised...
DISAPPOINTED.
I can understand that things in development could change and I can even understand a few compromises even from the point of view of the consumer.
BUT
There is a BIG difference in the content they promised and the content they will actually provide.
They even told people they would be able to platinum the game as PS PLUS members.
They said that 80% of the game would be available as PS PLUS version.
Unless 1 country and 5 tracks and 10 cars are 80% of the retail version of Driveclub (which I highly doubt because that would be the epitome of FAIL) then this doesnt sit well with me.
I can make compromises and I can understand the game had a major bump/overhaul in its development, leading to a 1 year delay, and probably lots of money.
But ffs this looks more like a buffed up demo than the PS PLUS version we were promised...
DISAPPOINTED.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=110207407&postcount=1428
Btw, they never said it was 80% of the full version's content. Care to provide some source?
SHADES
Member
I lean towards Sony heavily (post the DRM saga) but will admit that they did back away on their original claims. I'm not upset though, just ¯\_(ツ
Which group do I fit in? WHICH SEAT DO I TAKE?
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say.....the grown ups??
It's obvious that the direction of this as changed some what from what was intended at launch and I'm somewhat glad that they're actually treating this as a AAA game rather than the freebie most thought it would be.
Hopefully this way DRIVECLUB won't be just one game but do sufficient numbers so it can grow as a franchise, should the game be as good as it looks.
I lean towards Sony heavily (post the DRM saga) but will admit that they did back away on their original claims. I'm not upset though, just ¯\_(ツ
Which group do I fit in? WHICH SEAT DO I TAKE?
can you show me where they originally claimed that there would be more 10 cars/5 tracks??
sure, but it just seems odd
games get delayed...it just happens...it hurts the developer/publisher more than the consumer...
the word "few" was used in a single GAF post ONCE...not in any official marketing or releases by Sony or Evolution...
the amount of content that was to be offered was NEVER advertised...we were never given any numbers...EVER...
can you point me to any evidence of Sony or Evolution studios promising more than 10 cars/5 Tracks in the PS+ version?
these comments were made over 6 months ago...about a game that was delayed for a YEAR...switched game directors and "went back to the drawing board" at one point of its development...
once again, i ask for proof of Sony ADVERTISING the PS+ version as having more than 10cars/5tracks...
so is frankly delivering exactly what they discussed...the complete single and multiplayer experience...without all the cars and tracks...
how the hell can you even say this?...the console has been out what? 6 months?...where do you want them to pull the "free" titles from? there are only so many games available to chose from....
Replying to logic with snark doesn't help your cause, whatever it is.
Yes, I'm a concerned consumer, because as a game consumer these widespread practices hurt me too in the long run; so I call bullshit when I see it, wether it's due to Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Valve or whoever. Also frankly I loathe about any decision Microsoft has been making ever since the Adam Orth scandal, so I don't get where you're going with that.
can you show me where they promised how much content they were GOING to provide?
and Rushy said in this very thread that you still can
OH PLEASE find me the quote to back up that claim (hint: you wont find it because they never said it)
ShogunDarius
Member
You've stated repeatedly in this thread (and derailed repeatedly too) with the assumption that, that quote that came from the neogaf is the crux of the argument (which should still be taken seriously, since this is the biggest gaming forum on the web so saying incorrect stuff here won't fly, regardless)
incorrect this all started from an interview to the press AND a driveclub Q and A, the post came later (after the interview to the press and QA)
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/drive...ion_has_less_content_than_retail_version.html
http://playstationer.net/2013/07/05/driveclub-q-and-a/
if you had read the OP you would have seen these quotes
since your intent on derailing my thread repeatedly, you are going on the ignore list with immediate effect
also you cant go around picking and choosing statements made on GAF to support your arguments and then disregards those that dont
EDITED, part of my reply was missing.and reworded
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
They did said "few" in that egm link on the OP. Lets not outright ignore that. They also said "slightly" scaled down, to represent a removal of at least 4 countries, which leaves only 1 country for the ps+ Version.
About this 80% the source is neogaf, I read it here multiple times, there is even a post in this very same page.
And since I read it here I assumed it is legit. If it isn't and it looks like this is the case, then by all means my bad.
Even so, this quote:
is clearly missleading. Its not like we are a missing a few tracks and a few cars. It looks more like "we have a few tracks and a few cars"...
Seeing as you basically centered your whole reply on the word "few"... I'm sure you read the OP, and in doing so you saw the Videogamer article linked, where they use the words "slightly scaled down". There's really not that much difference between that and "few", this is much less than a slightly scaled down version, I'd say it's a greatly scaled down version if anything.
Also why wouldn't "few" count? Because it was said on GAF? So, companies are allowed to lie here? Okay, nice to know.
Also... don't you think they're totally lying through their teeth here?
They cut stuff from the free version only so that people could download it quicker? How nice of them. smh
travisbickle
Member
This is gettin silly.
There are less cars and tracks on the PS+ edition, that has always been stated from
the very beginning, at multiple interviews and at multiple places. It has been said from the start you would have to buy extra content to have the complete game.
Then we have 2 incidents, off the cuff comments, one even a reply on this forum, that use adjectives that mean small, and these are being used to call Sony as an organisation liars and unable to keep promises!
You think Sony would be a bit grander in their lies, or at least be more thorough because half of GAF have been calling the PS+ version a glorified demo for the last 8 months.
There are less cars and tracks on the PS+ edition, that has always been stated from
the very beginning, at multiple interviews and at multiple places. It has been said from the start you would have to buy extra content to have the complete game.
Then we have 2 incidents, off the cuff comments, one even a reply on this forum, that use adjectives that mean small, and these are being used to call Sony as an organisation liars and unable to keep promises!
You think Sony would be a bit grander in their lies, or at least be more thorough because half of GAF have been calling the PS+ version a glorified demo for the last 8 months.
With that "slightly scaled down" they were talking about the entire game though, right? If you're talking about functionality, yeah, it is slightly scaled down. You can do almost everything you can do in the full game.
At least that's how I'm reading that part anyway.
I apologise for the late response. I didn't want to bother tapping out a response on my phone whilst I was away from my computer. I did actually notice your use of the word "apparently", I just didn't think it made any real difference to my overall point. It's "apparently" still possible to get the Platinum, because Rushy's new statement causes it to "appear" that way. If it's not possible to get the Platinum, then his statement is misleading, much like his original post about it only missing a few tracks is misleading. He'd also be pretty silly to do this as, because as you mention, another false statement would get him torn apart based on the current response to this news. However that response is due to a similar statement made by Rushy, which people assumed would be silly to say if it wasn't true, because it would almost certainly lead to... well... this. Also being able to get the Platinum without racing on all the tracks isn't that difficult to believe. They can make trophy requirements whatever they like. They simply have to not add any requirements for you to race every track.
If you were to believe today that you can obtain the Platinum in the free version, that isn't really you making assumptions. This information has been provided, and that is what your expectation would now be based on. The only assumption that you would be making here is that the information is truthful. Unlike many in this thread, I wouldn't actually say that I think we were lied to, as that implies that they intentionally mislead us initially. I don't necessarily think that is the case. I think the product probably would have been as described if it had launched on time because it would be used as more of a selling point for PS+, and the low userbase for the system would have meant fewer people would have obtained the game for free (later PS4 purchases would have missed its slot in the IGC). Today the project has undoubtedly cost more to produce, and it would be released on a platform with 7 million users... 50% of which apparently already have PS+. It suddenly makes a lot less sense to give all of these people the majority of the game's content. This wouldn't mean they were intentionally BS us, but it does mean that their original statements set expectations that they are now not fulfilling. I feel that it is completely valid for people to be disappointed with this, and to voice their opinion. At the very least, this isn't something that should be encouraged to be repeated in the future.
If you had 3 pints, then your description is correct, and you're just a complete lightweight. If you had 16 than you'd probably be rightly called out as having had more than "a few".
It's funny you should mention that actually. Were you not in that thread, and many other MS/Xbox threads? From what I can tell, you don't own an Xbox One... so based on your own criteria, you should not be allowed to post your stance in threads about it. Right?
Louis Cyphre
Banned
So you are taking the criticisms about what's now being offered to PS+ members very personal.
Night Angel
Member
Yep.
Not to mention that this could be the version we were always going to get. They've delayed the game a year. I would be surprised if they didn't add more content.
With the increase in dev time and cost, they also want to ensure they make a return on their work. I really don't think we can hold them to their earlier remarks regarding the relative size of the PS+ offering, as the situation has likely changed. (Also, this thread is getting ridiculous. All of this because of the words "few" and "slightly." Play the damn "demo," and if you like it buy it like a normal damn game. The fact that you're getting such a robust, feature-complete/content-reduced "demo" in the first place is better than you'd normally get, anyway.)
I do agree that this is likely due to changes in the project, and the new dynamics surrounding the system's total sales, and the adoption rate of PS+. However I'm not convinced that the current offering matches what we were always going to get, because if we were always going to get 1 out of 5 countries, then the comment was misleading anyway (unless those other countries comprised of a single track each).
and still...with all of your words...i ask for anyone to show me somewhere where it was said we would get more than 10cars/5 tracks in the PS+ version??...
there were never any hard numbers given ANYWHERE...im not derailing a thread...im pointing out the immensely flawed logic being used by a small group of childish posters...
disagreeing with your unjustified crusade against Sony is not derailing a thread...and if youre going to ignore me for it then so be it...if that is how you defend your arguments its just further evidence of your childish nature...
again...were we ever told how many cars/tracks were to be included?....no? then they didnt lie...
the problem is we have no context...we dont know how many cars tracks were originally intended to be in the retail OR PS+ version of the games...
no i dont think companies can lie here...but i also dont think a single word from a single forum post by a single employee can or should be used to make the case that a publisher or developer as a whole LIED to their consumers...thats just crazy talk...
i disagree that the misled people intentionally...this game has been in development hell for the past 6 months plus...even changing game directors as recently as february...
Sony is still delivering everything they promised...the complete online and offline experience without all the cars and tracks...you can even still platinum the game (apparently) in the PS+ version...
bingo!
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
So its ok to sweep these under the carpet and give them a free pass, just because the game had a delay?
no...but once again...i ask you...
can you provide me with evidence that shows we were going to get more than 10cars/5tracks back in November?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
The amount of tracks and countries that has been confirmed so far is more than enough to tell that it is not a 'slight' scaled back as claimed.
Night Angel
Member
Yes? I think the term is "shit happens."
But you don't have to give them a free pass. You are allowed to be disappointed. Feel free to show your disappointment. I was only commenting on how silly it is that people are getting hung up on subjective interpretations of things that were said a year ago about what may have been almost an entirely different game.
no no no...thats not what im asking...come on...provide me with the evidence please that shows we were going to get more than 10/5 back in November...
if you cant do that, you have no basis for your argument...period...
Most of that is only happening because of the responses given to those who simply state that they are disappointed though. The thread only spiralled out of control when any show of disappointment was met by accusations of being "entitled children", or that the impression of it being closer to a complete package was never given. Without those comments, this thread would have died ages ago. The nitpicking over the terms used, has only come about because people are having to explain how they arrived at being disappointed in the first place.
Like I posted many times before they said a selection of cars back in August
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/08/20/driveclub-pre-order-bonuses-revealed/
I am done now because at this point people refuse to listen!
EGOMON
Member
Looking at other games one would think that Sony at least is giving you better options but no people entitlement these days are out of control heck i just read that PS+ value on PS4 is diminishing i mean Jesus Christ people on other platforms paying more and getting absolutely nothing in return.
Night Angel
Member
Yep. A selection of cars. They selected 10. What's the issue?
People are listening, your point there just doesn't matter. A selection does not imply a majority.
Or do we agree? I am now confused.
Edit: ok, so my morning brain has trouble with comprehension. Glad that we agree!
there is nothing wrong with being disappointed...or saying "Aww shucks, i really thought there would be more to the PS+ version."
but its the people taking it to the extreme of how Sony "lied" or "intentionally misled" people...or they have gone back on "promises."
that is where im drawing the line...disappointment is one thing...but thats not what people are doing here...
hallelujah!
That quote still lists locations (plural) and tracks (plural). So it doesn't appear to refer to tracks from a single location.
Yea, "intentionally misled" isn't definite. They may have fully expected to provide what was stated (then again, they may not have). However, "misled" is accurate in my opinion, because nearly every statement if taken literally pointed towards there being a more favourable ratio than there is today.
Perhaps, and I know this is crazy, Evolution and Sony changed their mind?
Night Angel
Member
Locations =/= countries, though, so...
again, youre playing with semantics and letting it tell you what you WANT to hear...i could be standing in my front yard...and move 5 feet to the left...im in a different LOCATION...
this is a similar argument that was had over Gran Turismo 5 and all its "locations." Does locations mean specific tracks (10 locations = 10 tracks)? Maybe location means country (10 locations = 10 countries, but each country has 2 tracks so 20 tracks!)?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
you have blatantly ignored the evidences posted in the OP more than once by asking the questions. No reason why I should provide you with evidence when you will most probably ignore it too.
ShogunDarius
Member
i've briefly taken off you from the ignore list as I had to reedit that reply from what it was, and to see your subsucent reponses. This will be my last post to you and i'll keep it brief.
You keep asking for those numbers knowing we cant given them yet until we know what the final car numbers are can we make a fair comparison with the PS plus edition, but we may never know the cars intended at the original launch.
But we can give the number of the countries as they are now(which flies in the face of your counter argument.)
1 out of 5 is not slightly scaled back.
The whole point of your argument now is you acting obtuse.
THAT is what is derailing the thread. As for being childish, that would be you and your constant posts and being obtuse in so many of them.
Night Angel
Member
My last post here for a little while, but:
Please, provide the evidence. It is not in the OP, and to my knowledge it doesn't exist.