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[Coulomb_Barrier]

That quote still lists locations (plural) and tracks (plural). So it doesn't appear to refer to tracks from a single location.

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just don't buy the game, maybe you should think about that?

 

[Synth]

Perhaps, and I know this is crazy, Evolution and Sony changed their mind?

This is exactly what I think did happen.

Locations =/= countries, though, so...

again, youre playing with semantics and letting it tell you what you WANT to hear...i could be standing in my front yard...and move 5 feet to the left...im in a different LOCATION...

Yea, locations could just means other tracks. But then it's strange to list both individually.

just don't buy the game, maybe you should think about that?

Why? I am buying it. I bought my PS4 primarily for it, and it as of right now it would be my first full game purchase. I'm just discussing here, it's not altering my plans to purchase, because I was never going for the free version.

From earlier in the thread:

so is this more of a principal thing, are you guys going to buy or not buy #driveclub now.

I'm still buying it. I wasn't going to with the demo version at any point.

 

[ArtHands]

Yes? I think the term is "shit happens."

But you don't have to give them a free pass. You are allowed to be disappointed. Feel free to show your disappointment. I was only commenting on how silly it is that people are getting hung up on subjective interpretations of things that were said a year ago about what may have been almost an entirely different game.

Yup. I find it equally silly that even if its an entirely different game, means they can't hold their promises when it is still a racing game.

 

[Metfanant]

you have blatantly ignored the evidences posted in the OP more than once by asking the questions. No reason why I should provide you with evidence when you will most probably ignore it too.

im not ignoring evidence at all...you however are twisting words to fit your argument...The reason you cant provide me with the evidence i request is not because i will ignore it, but because it doesnt exist!

i've briefly taken off you from the ignore list as I had to reedit that reply from what it was, and to see your subsucent reponses. This will be my last post to you and i'll keep it brief.

You keep asking for those numbers knowing we cant given them yet until we know what the final car numbers are can we make a fair comparison with the PS plus edition, but we may never know the cars intended at the original launch.
But we can give the number of the countries as they are now(which flies in the face of your counter argument.)
1 out of 5 is not slightly scaled back.

The whole point of your argument now is you acting obtuse.

THAT is what is derailing the thread. As for being childish, that would be you and your constant posts and being obtuse in so many of them.

the fact that you cant provide me with numbers is exactly my point! because to have been lied to about the content of the PS+ version you would have to have been initially told that we were getting more than 10 cars and 5 tracks...

because we were never given any numbers...it truly is impossible for you to have been lied to...

Yea, locations could just means other tracks. But then it's strange to list both individually.

strange? maybe...but evidence of a lie, or intentionally misleading?? i dont think so...

 

[ArtHands]

My last post here for a little while, but:

Please, provide the evidence. It is not in the OP, and to my knowledge it doesn't exist.

It actually existed. Try ShogunDarius's post for the explanation. I am not planning to go round in circles with you and Metfanant.

 

[Synth]

strange? maybe...but evidence of a lie, or intentionally misleading?? i dont think so...

I don't think it was either. I really want to make it clear that I don't think "lied" and "intentionally misled" are what happened here. I also don't even think that particular quote is questionable.. just that when combined with the other quotes, it also doesn't really help to clarify anything.

It may as well not exist basically.

 

[jpbonadio]

I really would like to know why people are coming up with this 80% promised.

They never said that, still people here are claiming this as a fact.

Anyone who have used the 80% could please link the source for this info? ... cause I am 80% sure this is a gaf invention.

 

[Various Artists]

Will Drive Clube full version be worth it at all without a PS+ subscription. I stick to single player games and am wondering if this is almost all community based.

 

[Synth]

Anyone who have used the 80% could please link the source for this info? ... cause I am 80% sure this is a gaf invention.

It is. Both 80% as the amount that was to be provided and 80% as the amount that is cut are both imagined values. There is nothing that specific in any of the statements.

 

[Metfanant]

Will Drive Clube full version be worth it at all without a PS+ subscription. I stick to single player games and am wondering if this is almost all community based.

thats my biggest concern...not because i dont have PS+ (ive had it since the service launched years ago)...but because im not big into online racing in games like Gran Turismo or Forza...

which is why im excited for the PS+ version so i can test it out...if its too social based ill probably stick with Project Cars...and it will probably force me to finally get an Xbone for Forza (presumably Horizon 2 in the fall)

It is. Both 80% as the amount that was to be provided and 80% as the amount that is cut are both imagined values. There is nothing that specific in any of the statements.

and that is the center of my argument against the "lied to" crowd...they have nothing to base their arguments on because we have never been given any thing even approaching a solid number...

 

[ArtHands]

It is. Both 80% as the amount that was to be provided and 80% as the amount that is cut are both imagined values. There is nothing that specific in any of the statements.

4 out of 5 countries that has been shown yet not in the PS+ version = 80% of the countries (or at least..there could be more countries if you are one of those who think they have added more tracks/countries to the game during the delay).

 

[Pimpwerx]

It's amazing how GAF threads snowball with ridiculousness. The evolution of the complaint, like a game of telephone. No numbers were ever given, but within a day, GAF has generated a percentage.

...

Yes, that's really weird, and kinda embarrassing. PEACE.

 

[Metfanant]

4 out of 5 countries that has been shown yet not in the PS+ version = 80% of the countries (or at least..there could be more countries if you are one of those who think they have added more tracks/countries to the game during the delay).

yet, still no evidence to suggest we were ever going to get more than 10 cars/5 tracks

 

[SpokkX]

Has it been confirmed the full game has 5 countries?

 

[Loudninja]

Has it been confirmed the full game has 5 countries?

No that is just what we know so far.

 

[BouncyFrag]

The......people ?

People will be marching on Washington before you know it.

 

[goonergaz]

I can see why people are upset, they should never have used the word "slight" and all would be fine...this is essentially the full game but with limited tracks & cars so I can see why they said what they said initially.

Personally this is what I expected, if I enjoy the PS+ version enough I'll upgrade...I think maybe games could work from a similar idea (play the start free - buy the rest if you like it)...but not like a demo (which is often just a part of the game or one type of race) - more like the free 1 hour things they do...sports games are ideal for this sort of thing IMHO.

 

[Gestault]

When one party's factual presentation of information to demonstrate their point isn't acceptable to another party, conversation has failed. When even the premise that someone else can react differently isn't acceptable to either party, it's very rare that the situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed.

 

[Dragon]

When one party's factual presentation of information to demonstrate their point isn't acceptable to another party, conversation has failed. When even the premise that someone else can react differently isn't acceptable to either party, it's very rare that the situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed.

I think you could have just typed: "how many times have you gone to the bathroom in your life?" and called it a day

 

[ArtHands]

No that is just what we know so far.

This. There might be more, but we have at least 5 countries confirmed via video on the official fb page. Even if the rest of the countries might have only 1 track each, that doesn't really make a difference.

 

[Metfanant]

When one party's factual presentation of information to demonstrate their point isn't acceptable to another party, conversation has failed. When even the premise that someone else can react differently isn't acceptable to either party, it's very rare that the situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed.

would help if the side making the original argument had any facts to present

 

[AndyD]

I can see why people are upset, they should never have used the word "slight" and all would be fine...this is essentially the full game but with limited tracks & cars so I can see why they said what they said initially.

Personally this is what I expected, if I enjoy the PS+ version enough I'll upgrade...I think maybe games could work from a similar idea (play the start free - buy the rest if you like it)...but not like a demo (which is often just a part of the game or one type of race) - more like the free 1 hour things they do...sports games are ideal for this sort of thing IMHO.

I can't believe this thread is still going. But I will say this again: the scope and size of the game has likely changed when the target moved from late 2013 to late 2014. So even if we are getting one location, it makes a huge difference if they originally planned the full game to have 3 or 10. Because 33% of a game and 10% of content is a big gap. Perhaps they even considered the game to take a stub with DLC approach, where the "base" package would be $10 or $20 and then DLC to grow it, similar to the Killer Instinct approach.

So in the end I can see some people's frustration at the delay and the change in ratio of free to paid, but for them refuse to acknowledge and accept that with the whole project's delay many changes come about, including changes in the free/paid ratio is ludicrous.

 

[TimFL]

Got this pre-ordered for 19€ due to the PS4 pre-order DriveClub discount code I got from Amazon. Almost completely forgot about this until amazon sent me an email with the release date again.

 

[Gestault]

would help if the side making the original argument had any facts to present

Facts in the sense of the original statements used the characterize the release. I've seen you insist on hard numbers for comparison, which you know very well haven't been released, so you're asking for evidence that you know doesn't exist, while ignoring the information carefully laid out for you.

It's a matter of fact that it was explained that the reduction of content in the PS+ version "wasn't a commercial consideration." They reiterated more than once to "...remember it’s the full game minus a few cars/tracks..." and that their primary consideration for reducing content was "a conscious decision to make [the download] as slick as possible." In every communication, the PS+ version was described as having the full content "minus a few cars/tracks." If you disagree with the assumption that the PS+ version was the majority of the game without some additional content, rather than a small subset of the game, you'd be at odds with many comments from the original announcement page. The distinction between something missing a few elements and falling very close to decimating it (in the literal sense of the word) is an important one.

If you honestly think the original statements match with the current form of it, we'll simply disagree. But for you to pretend there's no basis in reality for the differing opinion is just silly.

 

[Killing_Joke]

It's amazing how GAF threads snowball with ridiculousness. The evolution of the complaint, like a game of telephone. No numbers were ever given, but within a day, GAF has generated a percentage.

...

Yes, that's really weird, and kinda embarrassing. PEACE.

Not only that. But they made up that percentage using a game coming out in late 2014 with quotes that were meant for a 2013 release. We STILL don't know how many cars/tracks the game will have and they continue to throw 80% like some type of confirmation. It's ridiculous. I also find it weird anything a person says is automatically a promise. This is the type of shit that probably keeps developers talking more freely.

- Game is free for PS+ members
- It IS better than a demo whether you agree or not
- Upgrade discount
- Can still get the Platinum if you're into that

Yeah, Sony/Evolutions sure did fucks us over with their lies.

 

[Metfanant]

Facts in the sense of the original statements used the characterize the release. I've seen you insist on hard numbers for comparison, which you know very well haven't been released, so you're asking for evidence that you know doesn't exist, while ignoring the information carefully laid out for you.

It's a matter of fact that it was explained that the reduction of content in the PS+ version "wasn't a commercial consideration." They reiterated more than once to "...remember it’s the full game minus a few cars/tracks..." and that their primary consideration for reducing content was "a conscious decision to make [the download] as slick as possible." In every communication, the PS+ version was described as having the full content "minus a few cars/tracks." If you disagree with the assumption that the PS+ version was the majority of the game without some additional content, rather than a small subset of the game, you'd be at odds with many comments from the original announcement page. The distinction between something missing a few elements and falling very close to decimating it (in the literal sense of the word) is an important one.

If you honestly think the original statements match with the current form of it, we'll simply disagree. But for you to pretend there's no basis in reality for the differing opinion is just silly.

i ask for that information that doesnt exist for a very specific reason...for anyone to have "lied" we need to know the context in which the original comments were made...there is no hard evidence that proves we were ever meant to get more than 10 cars/5 tracks in the PS+ version of the game...

you can make all the assumptions that you want...but if youre going to accuse Sony/Rushy/Evolution studios of being flat out liars, or intentionally misleading customers you better come packing some better evidence then what has been presented in this thread...

there is simply no way to connect comments made well over 6 months ago about what was supposed to be a launch game and its PS+ version intended to be a selling point of PS+, to comments made the other day about that game after being delayed for an entire year, going "back to the drawing board" and losing its game director just a few months ago....

frankly somebody high up at Sony must really look at Driveclub as some sort of pet project because we're probably lucky we're seeing the game at all based on the kind of development hell that the game has seemingly gone through and the very recent "restructurings" of Sony WWS...

at the end of the day Driveclub PS+ edition is being delivered as exactly what was promised...the complete online and offline experience but without the full roster of cars and tracks...

i can agree that "few" or "slightly" may have been poor words to use...and i can understand people that took those words and created expectations for themselves and are now disappointed...

but to take it to the level that some are is just unacceptable to me...

 

[StealthGoblin]

Did people really think that Sony were going to give away almost a content complete game that costs tens of millions to make?

Ever since this was announced I knew it would have a handful of cars and a handful of tracks. The purpose of this PS+ edition is to get as many people online and giving it a go.
Its a community game.

By the time its released it'll have had 11 more months in the oven than originally planned. Personally I think its still good of Sony to give as much away for free as they are.

Each of Sony's studios is run like a mini business and they have bottom lines to think about. That is why Studio Liverpool, BigBig, and Zipper are no more. Given that Motorstorm: Apocalypse had a turbid launch, I am shocked that Evolution are giving that much away to PS+ members. If this game doesn't rake in cash then there'll be questions asked internally about Evolutions viability. Last gen they were somewhat insulated as they were the driving force behind 3D evangelisation but that has since fallen off of a cliff.

 

[kevcampbell]

How much do people think it will cost to upgrade to the full edition? And how about a size prediction? 30, 40, 50gb?

 

[Synth]

Ever since this was announced I knew it would have a handful of cars and a handful of tracks. The purpose of this PS+ edition is to get as many people online and giving it a go.
Its a community game.

That's good for you that you knew (assumed?) that all along. The thing is though, is that we actually didn't know it was to include a handful or cars and tracks. Nothing they said at that time gave that impression. "Missing a few cars and tracks" and "Having a few cars and tracks" are wildly different descriptions, and they went with the former.

They also stated that the reason the PS+ was lacking some content was to get keep the download size down. Not for the commercial reason of encouraging an upgrade.

Their choice of words caused this problem, and it could have been easily avoided by simply being clearer.

 

[Kaswa101]

Wow at some of the people in this thread. Sony never promised anything more than this, and it's generous that they're offering this in the first place considering it costs so much to make the freaking game; they still need to make a profit, people.

It's almost as if Sony's a business or something!

 

[Louis Cyphre]

People are still arguing over what should be included? This is all I could find,

Yes, the PS Plus version will be the exact same as the full version, except that it may be missing a few assets such as cars or tracks, that will be found in the full version. However the online multiplayer, the asynchronous challenges and the single player campaign will all be present in the PS Plus version. The PS Plus version gives us to the biggest open community, day one. This game is all about socialising.

http://playstationer.net/2013/07/05/driveclub-q-and-a/

I guess the word few might be what have some up in arms. We are so used to getting free games now on Plus that we have gotten spoiled somewhat. I'd like to see when they will offer us free disc based PS4 games.

How much do people think it will cost to upgrade to the full edition? And how about a size prediction? 30, 40, 50gb?

I'm thinking $39.99. What will be interesting is how much DLC will be put aside. That's where the real controversy could occur.

 

[Synth]

People are still arguing over what should be included?

Well the topic did die. I'm not sure why it's back tbh.

I don't think that many people here are saying that DriveClub is insufficient as a PS+ offerring. It's more "well, why did you make it sound like more?". This is why I don't get the stock defense of "Well, what did you expect? Pretty much the full game?", when that's basically how they described it. All they had to do was avoid giving that impression, and nobody would have been complaining.

 

[Axass]

My last post ever on the matter.

Did people really think that Sony were going to give away almost a content complete game that costs tens of millions to make?

You can word that this way as well: "did people really think Sony was going to mantain what they said about the free version once the PS4 hype campaign was over?"

Doesn't sound as good now, also why not? Are we supposed to not believe anything any company says then?

This idea that big companies are allowed to mislead consumers to market their games and that it's on us to understand they're clearly lying and adjust our expectations is faulty logic at best.

It's not a matter of how good a deal free Driveclub is, because it is an amazing deal, it's a matter of what they said before and what they're going to give us now.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

nvm.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

yikes at all the babies arguing semantics and diction. boo fucking hoo.

That was unnecessary.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

That was unnecessary.

yeah. sorry. i'll edit my post.

 

[SHADES]

My last post ever on the matter.



You can word that this way as well: "did people really think Sony was going to mantain what they said about the free version once the PS4 hype campaign was over?"

Doesn't sound as good now, also why not? Are we supposed to not believe anything any company says then?

This idea that big companies are allowed to mislead consumers to market their games and that it's on us to understand they're clearly lying and adjust our expectations is faulty logic at best.

It's not a matter of how good a deal free Driveclub is, because it is an amazing deal, it's a matter of what they said before and what they're going to give us now.

Development cycle= things change, I guess?

 

[Bucket-o-roadkill]

That feeling of something being too good to be true, it usually is. This is the test for PS+ to start offering glorified demos over proper full size games I fear. If they start pulling this shit continuously, I'm out. And considering you have to pay to get online now, I guess the only way out is to jump to team green. The games with gold are shit for sure, but fuck its better than demos

 

[TechnicPuppet]

That feeling of something being too good to be true, it usually is. This is the test for PS+ to start offering glorified demos over proper full size games I fear. If they start pulling this shit continuously, I'm out. And considering you have to pay to get online now, I guess the only way out is to jump to team green. The games with gold are shit for sure, but fuck its better than demos

There aren't any XB1 games with gold yet though.

 

[Gen X]

Wow, this thread. For shame. People had, in the past, paid a decent amount for a GT Prologue that had less content. Sony promised a free version of DC, the details were released and suddenly there is a Lynch mob saying they're entitled to more? I think the problem is most of the whingers hyped it up in their heads and now feel let down.

To me it sounds like a good size to experience what DC is about. Get enough of your mates on PS4 to join a crew and if you enjoy the 5 tracks and master them, upgrade/buy the disc version, whatever.

Sony didn't have to do this, but it was a nice gesture, just a shame it wasn't ready for launch but hey, shit happens. At least the game is still coming out.

 

[ArtHands]

Wow, this thread. For shame. People had, in the past, paid a decent amount for a GT Prologue that had less content. Sony promised a free version of DC, the details were released and suddenly there is a Lynch mob saying they're entitled to more? I think the problem is most of the whingers hyped it up in their heads and now feel let down.

To me it sounds like a good size to experience what DC is about. Get enough of your mates on PS4 to join a crew and if you enjoy the 5 tracks and master them, upgrade/buy the disc version, whatever.

Sony didn't have to do this, but it was a nice gesture, just a shame it wasn't ready for launch but hey, shit happens. At least the game is still coming out.

You got it wrong. More like the developers falling short of delivering what they stated.

Well like you said, shit happens.

Development cycle= things change, I guess?

Yah. Suddenly they are given a free pass to not hold their promise because the game got delayed, despite the fact that they can still deliver what their promised if they want.

 

[Axass]

Development cycle= things change, I guess?

Sure, doesn't mean they don't have to stick to what they said, things shouln't change for the end user just because the game had development issues or a longer development cycle. Or else Sony can just do that, go back on what it said, that's fine because they have the power to do so, but then there should be some sort of backlash, not the defense army we have.

The problematic thing is that if this passes anything passes: look at Watch Dogs and Drak Souls II "downgrades", companies can and will market their games with "lies" or misleading the consumer at best. Why would we want that? Isn't it better for everyone if games are market for what they effectively are?

It's not like if they announced a free version with 5 tracks, a bunch of cars and online capabilities people would've cried foul. Everyone would be just as happy, now though they oversold what they had, partially dashing people's hopes.

 

[travisbickle]

Sure, doesn't mean they don't have to stick to what they said, things shouln't change for the end user just because the game had development issues or a longer development cycle. Or else Sony can just do that, go back on what it said, that's fine because they have the power to do so, but then there should be some sort of backlash, not the defense army we have.

The problematic thing is that if this passes anything passes: look at Watch Dogs and Drak Souls II "downgrades", companies can and will market their games with "lies" or misleading the consumer at best. Why would we want that? Isn't it better for everyone if games are market for what they effectively are?

It's not like if they announced a free version with 5 tracks, a bunch of cars and online capabilities people would've cried foul. Everyone would be just as happy, now though they oversold what they had, partially dashing people's hopes.

Why do you keep saying Sony? Find me an official press release that over sells the assets of Driveclub?

Tell it like it is: two very approachable developers at Evolution, one who is Rushy at GAF, lied to you.

 

[Axass]

Why do you keep saying Sony? Find me an official press release that over sells the assets of Driveclub?

Tell it like it is: two very approachable developers at Evolution, one who is Rushy at GAF, lied to you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110343529&postcount=1771

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/drive...ion_has_less_content_than_retail_version.html

http://playstationer.net/2013/07/05/driveclub-q-and-a/

As you see those aren't GAF. I suppose interviews with the press should account for something right? Or should we not believe those either at this point.

Also it's true it wasn't "Sony" but Evolution employees... though when they speak in public they basically talk for Sony, as they're part of the company. The employees of a gaming company should be very wary of what they say, trying to stay in line with what the company endorses and wants, the Adam Orth scandal taught us as much I think. So why shouldn't we take their word as Sony's word?

Besides, even if those developers lied and Sony had no place in this... it wouldn't really make the situation better.

 

[Kura]

Anybody lied. The situation has changed, so they can no longer offer the same they stated before.

I dont remember anything like 'we promise that, whatever happens, we will offer this'.
Evolution doesnt owe anything to anyone. And you didnt pay for anything either.

What the hell are you complaining about? Evo is giving a great taste of their game free.
I repeat. FREE.

Do you think as yourself as any kind of divinity who should always get everything she wanted like she wanted?

Really, all of you that are complaining look like kids wanting their voice heard somewhere to catch some attention.

 

[travisbickle]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110343529&postcount=1771

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/drive...ion_has_less_content_than_retail_version.html

http://playstationer.net/2013/07/05/driveclub-q-and-a/

As you see those aren't GAF. I suppose interviews with the press should account for something right? Or should we not believe those either at this point.

Also it's true it wasn't "Sony" but Evolution employees... though when they speak in public they basically talk for Sony, as they're part of the company. The employees of a gaming company should be very wary of what they say, trying to stay in line with what the company endorses and wants, the Adam Orth scandal taught us as much I think. So why shouldn't we take their word as Sony's word?

Besides, even if those developers lied and Sony had no place in this... it wouldn't really make the situation better.

Look at the articles, it's one Q and A session, which the OP is pretending is multiple occasions, and a post by Rushy. Literally two occasions when members of the Evolution team have talked about the content.

We've known there would be less content on the PS+ game, and we've known that the only assets reduced would be cars and tracks, assets such as single player mode, online challenges, livery editor, multi-player will be in the release.

Give the developers a break because they think that with all the content Driveclub offers that removing tracks and cars can be considered "slightly less", the developers aren't going to consider the years of development on an online infrastructure as 0% in game content and the only things that matter are cars and tracks.

 

[jryi]

So there are still some guys here that are upset about Driveclub's full version being broader in scope than it was planned to be a year ago?

 

[SHADES]

You got it wrong. More like the developers falling short of delivering what they stated.

Well like you said, shit happens.



Yah. Suddenly they are given a free pass to not hold their promise because the game got delayed, despite the fact that they can still deliver what their promised if they want.

Sure, doesn't mean they don't have to stick to what they said, things shouln't change for the end user just because the game had development issues or a longer development cycle. Or else Sony can just do that, go back on what it said, that's fine because they have the power to do so, but then there should be some sort of backlash, not the defense army we have.

The problematic thing is that if this passes anything passes: look at Watch Dogs and Drak Souls II "downgrades", companies can and will market their games with "lies" or misleading the consumer at best. Why would we want that? Isn't it better for everyone if games are market for what they effectively are?

It's not like if they announced a free version with 5 tracks, a bunch of cars and online capabilities people would've cried foul. Everyone would be just as happy, now though they oversold what they had, partially dashing people's hopes.

I guess what I'm saying is and I'm merely speculating here but trying to think logically also...

With the added dev time ( And I'm not buying the delay was for menu's btw) and costs the original plan for DRIVECLUB have changed and I think it's for the better as were only seeing this from a "what do I lose/gain in this" perspective.

Should DRIVECLUB be a 80% content complete as per what's been mentioned many a time in this thread then who would actually buy a physical copy? Sure some might upgrade but by and large there would very little coffers in the pot from actual sales and that would in theory kill off any potential franchise and from what I've seen it's got that potential, so I'd rather see the game be a success and thrive than be a freebie that I play for 3/4 months then never see the light of day again.

Sony and EVO are still doing as they intended just not to the scale most thought it would be, but is that such a bad thing given the scope of the project? Would GAF want just a one off PS+ freebie (I'm aware it's not actually free as we pay for the sub!) and never see the light of day again! or would GAF prefer a Forza esc run of 3 or more titles?

I just like to believe that someone high up in Sony saw its potential and saw how the original plan would hurt the game's longevity.

I see this thread as arguing over x amount of cars & tracks but in the long run this line of thought would kill off any hope of a few games out of the DRIVECLUB franchise.

But that's just my opinion and I personally think it's a good deal for all involved but I just don't see it succeeding as a 80% complete PS+ game. I want more games not one freebie.

 

[ArtHands]

I guess what I'm saying is and I'm merely speculating here but trying to think logically also...

With the added dev time ( And I'm not buying the delay was for menu's btw) and costs the original plan for DRIVECLUB have changed and I think it's for the better as were only seeing this from a "what do I lose/gain in this" perspective.

Should DRIVECLUB be a 80% content complete as per what's been mentioned many a time in this thread then who would actually buy a physical copy? Sure some might upgrade but by and large there would very little coffers in the pot from actual sales and that would in theory kill off any potential franchise and from what I've seen it's got that potential, so I'd rather see the game be a success and thrive than be a freebie that I play for 3/4 months then never see the light of day again.

Sony and EVO are still doing as they intended just not to the scale most thought it would be, but is that such a bad thing given the scope of the project? Would GAF want just a one off PS+ freebie (I'm aware it's not actually free as we pay for the sub!) and never see the light of day again! or would GAF prefer a Forza esc run of 3 or more titles?

I just like to believe that someone high up in Sony saw its potential and saw how the original plan would hurt the game's longevity.

I see this thread as arguing over x amount of cars & tracks but in the long run this line of thought would kill off any hope of a few games out of the DRIVECLUB franchise.

But that's just my opinion and I personally think it's a good deal for all involved but I just don't see it succeeding as a 80% complete PS+ game. I want more games not one freebie.

They were the one who made the initial statement willingly, nobody forced them too. If they were so worried about nobody buying the game if the PS+ version is 80% the content, they shouldn't have made the statement.

I think they should swallow the mistake and honor their words.

 

[Jimrpg]

People are still arguing over what should be included? This is all I could find,

Yes, the PS Plus version will be the exact same as the full version, except that it may be missing a few assets such as cars or tracks, that will be found in the full version. However the online multiplayer, the asynchronous challenges and the single player campaign will all be present in the PS Plus version. The PS Plus version gives us to the biggest open community, day one. This game is all about socialising.

If they said that in the recent announcements id be disappointed in them.

How is what basically amounts to a demo the same as the full version?