Coulomb_Barrier
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That quote still lists locations (plural) and tracks (plural). So it doesn't appear to refer to tracks from a single location.
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just don't buy the game, maybe you should think about that?
That quote still lists locations (plural) and tracks (plural). So it doesn't appear to refer to tracks from a single location.
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Perhaps, and I know this is crazy, Evolution and Sony changed their mind?
Locations =/= countries, though, so...
again, youre playing with semantics and letting it tell you what you WANT to hear...i could be standing in my front yard...and move 5 feet to the left...im in a different LOCATION...
just don't buy the game, maybe you should think about that?
so is this more of a principal thing, are you guys going to buy or not buy #driveclub now.
I'm still buying it. I wasn't going to with the demo version at any point.
Yes? I think the term is "shit happens."
But you don't have to give them a free pass. You are allowed to be disappointed. Feel free to show your disappointment. I was only commenting on how silly it is that people are getting hung up on subjective interpretations of things that were said a year ago about what may have been almost an entirely different game.
you have blatantly ignored the evidences posted in the OP more than once by asking the questions. No reason why I should provide you with evidence when you will most probably ignore it too.
i've briefly taken off you from the ignore list as I had to reedit that reply from what it was, and to see your subsucent reponses. This will be my last post to you and i'll keep it brief.
You keep asking for those numbers knowing we cant given them yet until we know what the final car numbers are can we make a fair comparison with the PS plus edition, but we may never know the cars intended at the original launch.
But we can give the number of the countries as they are now(which flies in the face of your counter argument.)
1 out of 5 is not slightly scaled back.
The whole point of your argument now is you acting obtuse.
THAT is what is derailing the thread. As for being childish, that would be you and your constant posts and being obtuse in so many of them.
strange? maybe...but evidence of a lie, or intentionally misleading?? i dont think so...Yea, locations could just means other tracks. But then it's strange to list both individually.
My last post here for a little while, but:
Please, provide the evidence. It is not in the OP, and to my knowledge it doesn't exist.
strange? maybe...but evidence of a lie, or intentionally misleading?? i dont think so...
Anyone who have used the 80% could please link the source for this info? ... cause I am 80% sure this is a gaf invention.
Will Drive Clube full version be worth it at all without a PS+ subscription. I stick to single player games and am wondering if this is almost all community based.
It is. Both 80% as the amount that was to be provided and 80% as the amount that is cut are both imagined values. There is nothing that specific in any of the statements.
It is. Both 80% as the amount that was to be provided and 80% as the amount that is cut are both imagined values. There is nothing that specific in any of the statements.
4 out of 5 countries that has been shown yet not in the PS+ version = 80% of the countries (or at least..there could be more countries if you are one of those who think they have added more tracks/countries to the game during the delay).
No that is just what we know so far.Has it been confirmed the full game has 5 countries?
People will be marching on Washington before you know it.The......people ?
When one party's factual presentation of information to demonstrate their point isn't acceptable to another party, conversation has failed. When even the premise that someone else can react differently isn't acceptable to either party, it's very rare that the situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed.
No that is just what we know so far.
When one party's factual presentation of information to demonstrate their point isn't acceptable to another party, conversation has failed. When even the premise that someone else can react differently isn't acceptable to either party, it's very rare that the situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed.
I can see why people are upset, they should never have used the word "slight" and all would be fine...this is essentially the full game but with limited tracks & cars so I can see why they said what they said initially.
Personally this is what I expected, if I enjoy the PS+ version enough I'll upgrade...I think maybe games could work from a similar idea (play the start free - buy the rest if you like it)...but not like a demo (which is often just a part of the game or one type of race) - more like the free 1 hour things they do...sports games are ideal for this sort of thing IMHO.
would help if the side making the original argument had any facts to present
It's amazing how GAF threads snowball with ridiculousness. The evolution of the complaint, like a game of telephone. No numbers were ever given, but within a day, GAF has generated a percentage.
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Yes, that's really weird, and kinda embarrassing. PEACE.
Facts in the sense of the original statements used the characterize the release. I've seen you insist on hard numbers for comparison, which you know very well haven't been released, so you're asking for evidence that you know doesn't exist, while ignoring the information carefully laid out for you.
It's a matter of fact that it was explained that the reduction of content in the PS+ version "wasn't a commercial consideration." They reiterated more than once to "...remember its the full game minus a few cars/tracks..." and that their primary consideration for reducing content was "a conscious decision to make [the download] as slick as possible." In every communication, the PS+ version was described as having the full content "minus a few cars/tracks." If you disagree with the assumption that the PS+ version was the majority of the game without some additional content, rather than a small subset of the game, you'd be at odds with many comments from the original announcement page. The distinction between something missing a few elements and falling very close to decimating it (in the literal sense of the word) is an important one.
If you honestly think the original statements match with the current form of it, we'll simply disagree. But for you to pretend there's no basis in reality for the differing opinion is just silly.
Ever since this was announced I knew it would have a handful of cars and a handful of tracks. The purpose of this PS+ edition is to get as many people online and giving it a go.
Its a community game.
How much do people think it will cost to upgrade to the full edition? And how about a size prediction? 30, 40, 50gb?
People are still arguing over what should be included?
Did people really think that Sony were going to give away almost a content complete game that costs tens of millions to make?
Grimløck;110681083 said:yikes at all the babies arguing semantics and diction. boo fucking hoo.
yeah. sorry. i'll edit my post.That was unnecessary.
My last post ever on the matter.
You can word that this way as well: "did people really think Sony was going to mantain what they said about the free version once the PS4 hype campaign was over?"
Doesn't sound as good now, also why not? Are we supposed to not believe anything any company says then?
This idea that big companies are allowed to mislead consumers to market their games and that it's on us to understand they're clearly lying and adjust our expectations is faulty logic at best.
It's not a matter of how good a deal free Driveclub is, because it is an amazing deal, it's a matter of what they said before and what they're going to give us now.
That feeling of something being too good to be true, it usually is. This is the test for PS+ to start offering glorified demos over proper full size games I fear. If they start pulling this shit continuously, I'm out. And considering you have to pay to get online now, I guess the only way out is to jump to team green. The games with gold are shit for sure, but fuck its better than demos
Wow, this thread. For shame. People had, in the past, paid a decent amount for a GT Prologue that had less content. Sony promised a free version of DC, the details were released and suddenly there is a Lynch mob saying they're entitled to more? I think the problem is most of the whingers hyped it up in their heads and now feel let down.
To me it sounds like a good size to experience what DC is about. Get enough of your mates on PS4 to join a crew and if you enjoy the 5 tracks and master them, upgrade/buy the disc version, whatever.
Sony didn't have to do this, but it was a nice gesture, just a shame it wasn't ready for launch but hey, shit happens. At least the game is still coming out.
Development cycle= things change, I guess?
Development cycle= things change, I guess?
Sure, doesn't mean they don't have to stick to what they said, things shouln't change for the end user just because the game had development issues or a longer development cycle. Or else Sony can just do that, go back on what it said, that's fine because they have the power to do so, but then there should be some sort of backlash, not the defense army we have.
The problematic thing is that if this passes anything passes: look at Watch Dogs and Drak Souls II "downgrades", companies can and will market their games with "lies" or misleading the consumer at best. Why would we want that? Isn't it better for everyone if games are market for what they effectively are?
It's not like if they announced a free version with 5 tracks, a bunch of cars and online capabilities people would've cried foul. Everyone would be just as happy, now though they oversold what they had, partially dashing people's hopes.
Why do you keep saying Sony? Find me an official press release that over sells the assets of Driveclub?
Tell it like it is: two very approachable developers at Evolution, one who is Rushy at GAF, lied to you.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110343529&postcount=1771
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/drive...ion_has_less_content_than_retail_version.html
http://playstationer.net/2013/07/05/driveclub-q-and-a/
As you see those aren't GAF. I suppose interviews with the press should account for something right? Or should we not believe those either at this point.
Also it's true it wasn't "Sony" but Evolution employees... though when they speak in public they basically talk for Sony, as they're part of the company. The employees of a gaming company should be very wary of what they say, trying to stay in line with what the company endorses and wants, the Adam Orth scandal taught us as much I think. So why shouldn't we take their word as Sony's word?
Besides, even if those developers lied and Sony had no place in this... it wouldn't really make the situation better.
You got it wrong. More like the developers falling short of delivering what they stated.
Well like you said, shit happens.
Yah. Suddenly they are given a free pass to not hold their promise because the game got delayed, despite the fact that they can still deliver what their promised if they want.
Sure, doesn't mean they don't have to stick to what they said, things shouln't change for the end user just because the game had development issues or a longer development cycle. Or else Sony can just do that, go back on what it said, that's fine because they have the power to do so, but then there should be some sort of backlash, not the defense army we have.
The problematic thing is that if this passes anything passes: look at Watch Dogs and Drak Souls II "downgrades", companies can and will market their games with "lies" or misleading the consumer at best. Why would we want that? Isn't it better for everyone if games are market for what they effectively are?
It's not like if they announced a free version with 5 tracks, a bunch of cars and online capabilities people would've cried foul. Everyone would be just as happy, now though they oversold what they had, partially dashing people's hopes.
I guess what I'm saying is and I'm merely speculating here but trying to think logically also...
With the added dev time ( And I'm not buying the delay was for menu's btw) and costs the original plan for DRIVECLUB have changed and I think it's for the better as were only seeing this from a "what do I lose/gain in this" perspective.
Should DRIVECLUB be a 80% content complete as per what's been mentioned many a time in this thread then who would actually buy a physical copy? Sure some might upgrade but by and large there would very little coffers in the pot from actual sales and that would in theory kill off any potential franchise and from what I've seen it's got that potential, so I'd rather see the game be a success and thrive than be a freebie that I play for 3/4 months then never see the light of day again.
Sony and EVO are still doing as they intended just not to the scale most thought it would be, but is that such a bad thing given the scope of the project? Would GAF want just a one off PS+ freebie (I'm aware it's not actually free as we pay for the sub!) and never see the light of day again! or would GAF prefer a Forza esc run of 3 or more titles?
I just like to believe that someone high up in Sony saw its potential and saw how the original plan would hurt the game's longevity.
I see this thread as arguing over x amount of cars & tracks but in the long run this line of thought would kill off any hope of a few games out of the DRIVECLUB franchise.
But that's just my opinion and I personally think it's a good deal for all involved but I just don't see it succeeding as a 80% complete PS+ game. I want more games not one freebie.
People are still arguing over what should be included? This is all I could find,
Yes, the PS Plus version will be the exact same as the full version, except that it may be missing a few assets such as cars or tracks, that will be found in the full version. However the online multiplayer, the asynchronous challenges and the single player campaign will all be present in the PS Plus version. The PS Plus version gives us to the biggest open community, day one. This game is all about socialising.