twentytwo22
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Everyone who hates on the slim has never actually used it.
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PS Vita PCH-2000 (slim) coming to NA this Spring bundled w/ Borderlands 2 - $199
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Everyone who hates on the slim has never actually used it.
According to some reports it is. I think it has a smaller process node alongside the power saving improvements from the new screen.
What are the advantages of the new model? I just ordered a 1001 model from Cowboom for $105 (got a pristine grade 7 for that price!) that will be here tomorrow so I'm not in the market but just curious what I am missing out on.
TheDarkStark
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Not a fan of black.Sold my OG Vita and ordered a Slim from Japan. My White/Blue 2000 should be here tomorrow, I will post pics.
doctorblurg
Banned
I hope this bundle comes out earlier in the month so I can have an excuse to get it on my birthday
+1 for this guys point of view.
I sold my OG even though I thought I might keep them both. Got the green and white guy. The battery life, comfort, weight, and triggers are all head and shoulders over the first one.
There is a difference in the screen yes, and I'd be lying to say I don't notice anything. But the LCD is best in class and I fully agree that most people complaining probably haven't used it yet.
Vita 2000 is a great move!
Bah I really don't understand why it's taking so long to bring the Slim in the US and non-UK european countries. Trying to get rid of inventory seems a possible reason but announcing a new model months before the actual release won't help them towards achieving that goal It's basically as if they don't care and their strategy is...whenever...whatever
It's basically as if they don't care and their strategy is...whenever...whatever Advantages of the new model in my opinion:
* weight - the OG vita was a bit heavier and I always wanted a lighter version to facilitate longer play sessions. It definitely a nice noticeable difference, and the 2000 stays super light but doesn't feel cheap at all ( not like the psp 2000/3000 )
* ergonomics - the new one just conforms to the hand better. Mostly digging not having a sharp edge going around the unit on the 1000. It's all more rounded. Also they slimmed down the size of the rear touch to give your hands more room to rest in the back. Subtle but great.
* battery - the battery is a bit better. I thought the 1000 was already pretty good, but this one lasts just a bit longer ( both are better than 3DSXL battery IMO )
* buttons - mostly the triggers are just way snappier and better than the 1000 ( which always felt a bit loose to me ). The rest of the buttons feel a tiny bit nicer to me but it's super subtle.
* LED screen - not and advantage.. But the screen is really high quality. If the 1000 didn't have the OLED, people would be talking about how awesome this screen is. Unfortunately people can't get over losing OLED and flip out. One advantage the screen does have over the OLED, is less ghosting or bleeding between frames that I would occasionally notice on the 1000.
Overall, I don't think you are losing out by getting the 1000, and you would obviously be getting a slightly better ( and much more power hungry ) screen. But I don't get the hype around trying to snag a 1000 before they are gone. I think the 2000 is overall a better machine.
I have an 8GB card and I have Persona 4G, Spelunky, Lumines, Velocity Ultra (or something?), and 4 PSP games. I only had to delete one PSP game recently (LBP) to make room for re-buying Tactics Ogre.
I'd say it's more than enough, unless you want 3 full-size Vita games on a card at once.
And, IIRC, keep in mind that you can only access that 1GB of on-board memory with no memory card inserted.
AwayFromInfinityx
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I will be picking up this bundle
Not much of a borderlands person but I'll try it out for the hell of it.
Question... Does the vita play FF7?
Not much of a borderlands person but I'll try it out for the hell of it.
Question... Does the vita play FF7?
Yep it does.
HitCtrlAltDel
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I really hope that Borderlands is a good enough port. The videos posted haven't been that convincing. Guess I'll get first hand experience with it since I want the Vita-2000 and I'll be getting it free with that.
Now if they would only release the 64gb memory card in the US... I feel an import coming on...
Now if they would only release the 64gb memory card in the US... I feel an import coming on...
X and Circle do opposite things.
The Real Napsta
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Vita owner since launch, really want the slim.
Huh. Well that's funny. Does the Japanese slim come with a memory card or would I have to buy it separately? Really tempted to buy one of the alt. colors.
Slims have 1gb built in, but you should buy a memory card.
OG Vita owner here and will def make jump to slim when proper emulation shows up and I need an extra Vita. Wish this bundle was cheaper though, I paid $250 for my Vita and think it's worth every penny (I play it every day) but I don't think we're gonna see a boost in sales until it's $150.
Also interested to see how Borderlands runs on Vita since initial impressions I read were not great.
Also interested to see how Borderlands runs on Vita since initial impressions I read were not great.
Perfect, thanks
StarCreator
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That's... the reverse of my experience. One of the primary benefits of the OLED was that fact it -doesn't- ghost the same way an LCD does, and it's taking a lot of adjustment to get used to my 2000 because of it. I'm actually disappointed that the 2000's LCD doesn't have faster response time, it's the most ghosting I've seen in a portable LCD in some time (but nowhere near as bad as the PSP 2000).
vagabondarts
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That's one of the nice things about playing ridge racer PSP on my vita is there's no LCD ghosting. I don't have any ghosting on my oled
Also playing it on the vita fixed the weird music loading issue of the original digital PSP release. I assume a bandwidth thing with the PSP memory cards...
That's unfortunate! Maybe you got a defective one? I don't recall noticing any ghosting since upgrading. ( but I'm not trying to claim there is NONE either )
In fairness. The game I noticed the ghosting/bleeding the most with on the 1000 is P4G. I felt just about anytime a character moved on the screen I could see it bleed between frames. Fired up the 2000 and noticed nothing like that.. But I don't claim to have the absolute sharpest eye for that.
I had never heard that a benefit of OLED was no ghosting. Just did a quick google search and it definitely seems like people have noticed ghosting in OLED. OLED is supposed to have an advantage with blacks and colors. If I kinda naively think about how OLED works, it would actually appear to be more susceptible to ghosting, but that's just conjecture..
ThatStupidLion
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that's what i thought as well.
don't own a slim but was going to upgrade to one. now i'm not so sure....hate ghosting
Personally, I think the 2000 is better with ghosting. YMMV I suppose!
I will definitely say the 2000 doesn't seem to have over the top ghosting or anything..
Really wish they would make this an option in the fw.
...for just OS in most cases, I believe.
Also, I would imagine you can't find a JP 2000 for only $200, and especially not with a game.
The ghosting in P4G is a deliberate effect that was in the original PS2 version as well. That and the Besaid departure scene in FFX (deliberate effect again) were the only times I've ever seen anything resembling ghosting on the 1000.
sixteen-bit
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I think PSP can do this with CFW. Sony should add it in regular FW.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Not only does the Vita play FF7, but you can play every main Final Fantasy game from FF1 through FFX-2 on the Vita, as well as FFT (remake or original) & Dissidia 1 & 2. Admittedly, some of those versions aren't the best (FF5 & 6 are the weak PS1 versions), but still, pretty cool.
StarCreator
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No YMMV about it. It's a physical impossibility for OLED to have worse ghosting than LCD. LED technology in general is one of the fastest in terms of lighting response; LEDs increasingly being used in vehicle brake lights is not just for looks, they light up and dim out faster than any other technology that is practical to use there. OLEDs benefit greatly from that property.
I'm a little... insane when it comes to being able to see things like this. It's a curse.
As I said, it's nowhere near as bad as, say, the PSP 2000's ghosting, and if I hadn't already been using an OLED Vita for years it probably wouldn't have been as jarring. But my phone and iPad do a little better than the Vita 2000's screen does... which I suppose is obvious considering both are more than twice as expensive.
Welp. The people in these following forums all seem to be experiencing ghosting/bleeding/mura on OLED models:
* http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/620272-playstation-vita/62028779
* http://psvitagamer.net/threads/ps-vita-screen-blotching-in-game.2912/
bonus a picture somebody took with the effect in action:
* http://www.monitor4u.co.kr/Review/review4u/ReviewImg/motion_bench_05_PDP.jpg
That right there is kind of the definition of YMMV.. Different people experiencing a bit different results than yourself.
You know what? After reading some of that stuff, maybe the "ghosting" I was seeing on the 1000 was actually this black "mura"/ blotching that people are talking about. Maybe its not the same thing as ghosting on LCD. I never claimed to be an expert.
Just sayin' I love the vita. Both models. I have put in hundreds of hours on each model. I personally think the frame to frame bleeding on the 1000 is worse regardless of what technically causes it. There are many people out there who think that the OLED screen has issues as well. Reading more into some of those links, people are also talking about the OLED not having a super long life span ( not something I ever experienced, but maybe has something to it ).
Ultimately, I don't think the issues that rarely appear on either screen will keep you from enjoying the vita. I think the 1000 has better colors and deeper blacks. I think the 2000 is more comfortable, lighter, longer lasting, better looking, and has better triggers ( really important to me ). Thats all!
Shmuely Bully
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I'm getting my dad's Vita when I go to visit later this year, if not for that I'd really have to ponder this one. That is a darn good deal with the 8GB packed in.
yeah bro! I don't quite have all of them.. but check out my FF page on my vita:
*edit: drop box image link doesn't work very well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fo90a07pp3um5r/2014-03-27-105129.jpg
Betta Lines
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I'm not sure that's entirely accurate - apparently 'LightBoost' LCD monitors can have less ghosting than many OLED panels, including the one used in the Vita 1000. The technology is somewhat comparable to the low-persistence tech used in the OLED panel of Oculus' Crystal Cove/DK2. The Vita 1000 doesn't use low-persistence, so it still blurs by a small amount. Of course, the Vita 2000 isn't a LightBoost panel either, so in this case it shouldn't be blurring less than the 1000. A normal 60Hz OLED is always going to win against a normal 60Hz LCD for motion response, but there are special LCDs (120Hz, strobing-backlight ones) that beat a normal 60Hz OLED. Not all that relevant to someone comparing the two Vitas, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
I don't know that you can transfer them directly from PSP to PSV.
But you can either:
* Use a PS3 to transfer from PSP to PS3, then PS3 to Vita
* do the same as above but with a PC
* Just log into the same PSN account with the vita and go to your "download list" in the shop. It should have all your previous purchases there to redownload.. just sucks cause you will be missing your save game without transferring it.
Yes it can, and mine is set up this way. It gets really annoying playing games from other regions when system menus pop up for save/load and your accept/cancel buttons switch on you. But they need to make it an option in the standard FW, vita, ps3, ps4.
Awesome input. Yeah I will concede that OLED tech has less ghosting than LCD on a base level. I just think the black "mura" or whatever you want to call it ( that is essentially ghosting colors from the previous frame into the blacks of the current frame ) made me feel like there was ghosting, and that effect seemed more apparent than any ghosting I have seen on the 2000 LCD.
Reading around about this as well, it seems the vita 1000 OLED is made by samsung and that particular model is supposed to be a bit of a cheap one and maybe isn't the ideal OLED to talk about how awesome OLED tech is with.
I dunno. I'm a software guy, not a hardware guy. Im just sharing my experiences.. Keep on vita-ing vita-GAF!
TheDarkStark
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My White/Blue Vita 2000 arrived this morning, 4 days prep/ship from Japan. Total was $233
Full album here: http://imgur.com/a/uAGfZ
2000 > 1000
Just so much more comfortable to hold, and every single button on the 2000 is better, including the rear touch which was thankfully shrunken down.
Full album here: http://imgur.com/a/uAGfZ
2000 > 1000
Just so much more comfortable to hold, and every single button on the 2000 is better, including the rear touch which was thankfully shrunken down.
That's a pretty good deal, what site did you purchase it from?