TheDarkStark
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PS Vita PCH-2000 (slim) coming to NA this Spring bundled w/ Borderlands 2 - $199
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Thanks man.
You got the best colour there.
I've also got a 2000 but only black was released in the UK.
2000 > 1000 definitely
Nice, and what about the analog sticks? Feel any different? Bette, the same etc?
Dual Blade
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Any one try the 2000 in the 1000 grips? I'm curious if they are somewhat compatible.
I've used it.
I hate the LCD. I really dislike LCDs in general, though. Cancer of the display industry.
I love the rest of the changes. Wish I could swap in an OLED display. :-/
Peterthumpa
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Dat GAF hyperbole. I guess you never had a chance to try an HTC One?
StarCreator
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If the OLED had anywhere near accurate color reproduction I'd agree. The OLED had the new screen beaten in every category except the wildly oversaturated color. The OLED's inability to produce a solid consistent gray bothered me a lot too.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
With Iron Galaxy taking on Killer Instinct I wonder if that means BL2 on the Vita is done?
entremet
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Did you buy one, Dark.
I agree with you, but I may buy a Japanese one--love those colors--just to add to the collection.
The original Vita's screen had nice colors but whenever I played one, couldn't shake the look of the grainy whites or the blotchiness produced when the screen had to transition from very light colors to very dark colors. Reminded me of the PSP-1000 days. Any changes, like the switch to LCD with the Vita, is welcome in my opinion.
Good that Sony's finally coming around to releasing it in NA. Guessing they're holding back their Penguin powered color salvo for the holidays.
Good that Sony's finally coming around to releasing it in NA. Guessing they're holding back their Penguin powered color salvo for the holidays.
TheDarkStark
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Analogs feel exactly the same.
I'll list the buttons in order of how much they've improved:
Rear touch: Smaller, much less accidental presses, makes the Vita a LOT more comfortable to hold.
PS Button: Bigger, no longer recessed, and doesn't flash a big ass blue LED in your face 24/7
Start/Select: Bigger, not recessed, round instead of oval
Triggers: Rounder, a little less spongy, a little less wobbly
D-pad: Feels a little better, hard to describe why.
Face buttons and analogs feel pretty much exactly the same.
Nothing to do with GAF. I detest LCD displays. Straight up. It's not even about the motion (which light boost can help address), rather, the poor black levels. Without utilizing locally dimmed pixels in high density (super rare and never available in PC monitor or portable devices), you simply cannot achieve good black levels. I laugh at people shelling out thousands on a GPU for their PC only to pair it with an LCD monitor. Talk about a waste.
Interestingly, the Kuro Elite plasma I use produces blacks even darker than the Vita OLED display (just a tad darker) and without blotchiness. I have a couple of LCDs on my desktop for work but I never use them for gaming (27" 1440p IPS + 23" 1080p TN). The 27" is great for work but that's it.
Well, the OLED in Vita isn't the best. It's good enough and better than any LCD but low persistence OLEDs are where it's at.
However, I don't think color accuracy really comes into play here as the games for Vita are DESIGNED with that screen in mind. If you're utilizing the Vita for alternative content it could be an issue but if you're just gaming with it there's no problem.
The LCD used in the new Vita, however, has an ugly color temperature issue and seems like a cheap LCD in general. I mean, if they used an iPhone quality LCD panel I would take less issue (even though those black levels are still awful), but the one they did select just isn't good enough.
I was so close to buying one for my collection, actually. A local import shop had a few in stock and I spent some time playing around with it. It was a white and yellowish looking one and, man, it was beautiful. I love the way it looks and feels in person *BUT* the screen was such a huge turn-off that I've decided to hunt for a white Vita 1000 instead. I'll probably get one sooner or later, of course, as I do collect handhelds (have nearly every major handheld ever released and a few minor ones), but it's kind of pricey right now for something with a screen I won't want to use.
I can't vouch for the grips.. but I have now tried 2 different vita 1000 hard cases, and neither of them fit the 2000, the 2000 is actually just like 1 or 2 mm larger in circumference, which just barely prevents it from fitting..
I would be skeptical of any sort of snappy plastic thing from the 1000 working on the 2000.
For reference, here are the two hard cases that I know will NOT fit the 2000:
* The thrustmaster hard case:
* And this amazon basics case:
Peterthumpa
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I still think that you should try a Super LCD3 display like the one found in the HTC One. Have a look at some benches here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one-review-912p3.php
It's not state-of-the-art display technology, bur very, very far from detestable.
StarCreator
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I can't say you're wrong, but aren't we talking portable devices here? Plasma is not by any stretch of the imagination a suitable display technology for a portable device - they consume too much power, they have the lowest potential DPI of any flat panel display technology, and they generate too much heat during use.
I think it's actually a mixed bag as far as how many developers tuned their games to match the OLED screen. For one instance, the game I play the most (PSO2) certainly did almost nothing to compensate for the OLED's wild color balance; once I switched to the 2000 I was presented with colors nearly identical to what I see when I play on PC. And now that the 2000 is actually out, you can bet you will see many developers shifting to tuning their games for that screen instead of the OLED, if they were doing any tuning at all.
On the quality of the panel... well, you get what you pay for. An iPhone (and the HTC One) has a better screen because an iPhone costs twice as much. Same reason the OLED had so many issues when phones using OLED tech that came out at the same time had none of the same.
My point about the iPhone screen is that it's actually still a huge step down from the Vita 1000 for games in my book.
Now that I think about it, has anyone managed to transfer the Vita 1000 screen into the 2000? I would love to use the new shell with the original screen.
Imagine if the 2000 had continued to use an OLED with the improvements those displays have seen since the original Vita. Could have been something special.
But does the 2000 have an HTC One-level display? I can't imagine that kind of LCD being a whole lot cheaper than an OLED.
Peterthumpa
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Not really, but I was referring to the LCD technology itself instead of the Vita's display.
Agreed here. These games are developed on PC attached to monitors that themselves aren't really calibrated to any standard.
Having used both extensively. I prefer the LCD panel on the 2000 for everything except the blacks. My main nitpick is gone, which is the color shift when rotating the OLED screen away or towards you which is a huge flaw for any portable screen imo.
Thanks.
I was hoping the analogs were a tiny bit tighter. But in the face of all those other improvements, I guess it's not such a big deal.
TheDarkStark
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Analogs do feel a tad bit tighter, but I am going to chalk that up to the unit being brand new.
AgentOtaku
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The response rate for LED LCD displays is limited by the speed the liquid crystals move position. The speed of the light source - whether LED or CCFL or anything else - is not the cause of ghosting.
LED-backlit LCDs have many advantages over CCFL-backlit ones, but response rate isn't one of them as the light source isn't the cause of it in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED-backlit_LCD_display
AgentOtaku
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Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Every time I see this thread bumped I think it is because we got an actual release date! :-(
OldGangWarily
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Nippon-Yasan can be slow to ship :/
BUT with that being said, their prices are pretty fantastic!
BUT with that being said, their prices are pretty fantastic!
Those are my thoughts. Immediately, I go to Amazon and see if the release date has changed.
AgentOtaku
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Indeed they are! None of the bullshit markups like PlayAsia
I purchased mine from SuperUFO, they shipped it out super fast. Ordered Friday, got it just this morning.
I'm really thinking about importing an all white Slim when I have enough money to do so (probably in a month or less). Everything about it just seems so much nicer and far more comfortable. The current Vita is pretty comfortable as is but it can certainly be more ergonomic, and I'm a huge fan of the reduced rear touchpad on the slim for more grip room. I even prefer the look of the slim to the original, at least from the sides and the back. Only downside would of course be LCD but I highly doubt I will have that much of a problem adjusting and I don't even think it looks that bad to begin with. I am not that picky at all with screens, I even think the 3DS XL screen looks alright, hah. I may even end up keeping my old OLED model as well, perhaps for homebrew or for different PSN accounts. Only real problem would be the switched purposes of the X and O buttons; does that affect software or only OS functions?
What's the best place to import? I checked out superufo.com and their prices seem really good but if there's a better place I'd like to hear of it. Also, how would I go about moving data from one Vita to another? Thanks.
(Sorry if this isn't really the right thread for this, but there's no other active Slim thread afaik and others here are importing)
What's the best place to import? I checked out superufo.com and their prices seem really good but if there's a better place I'd like to hear of it. Also, how would I go about moving data from one Vita to another? Thanks.
(Sorry if this isn't really the right thread for this, but there's no other active Slim thread afaik and others here are importing)