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Radeon HD 3870 X2, 3870, 3850 Info

Jaagen

Member
Ordered my HD 3870 today. Was originally going to buy the 3850, but for some strange reason, the 512MB version of it was more expensive than the 3870. Anyways, I can't wait.
 

Davidion

Member
TGdaily review is up

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34861/135/

At the end of the day you have to take into consideration what works best for you. The significance of your decision should be of 4 key factors: Price, performance, scalability, and features. While Nvidia held onto its performance crown in many areas, the Radeon HD 3870 did very well against it and even beat it in several situations.

So if you have cards that are comparable in performance, then you have to compare prices or more exactly ask yourself the question - “What are you getting for the price?” There is a new leader for price for the amount of frames per second: Radeon HD 3850.

All of the midrange cards have something to offer. The Nvidia GeForce 8800GT holds more wins than losses so it is still the best performing midrange graphics card. The Radeon HD 3850 is the best value for the performance you get. Looking at its performance in CrossFire it makes for a very compelling system at $360 which is only $60-80 more than a single GeForce 8800GT. The AMD HD 3800 cards scale better overall. Nvidia stated that only its high end cards will be able to utilize 3-way SLI. AMD on the other hand will scale 2, 3, and 4-way CrossFire. We will have to test how much extra performance each card adds compared to the cost, but at least AMD is offering that option.

The last item to weigh into your decision is the feature set of each card. AMD and Nvidia both have hardware video decoding, but AMD offers full VC-1 hardware decode. According to HighDefDigest.Com, the majority of HD DVD titles (87%) use the VC-1 codec while 10% use H.264. For HD DVD owners, this makes the AMD Universal Video Decoder more valuable than the Pure Video solution from Nvidia.

Another feature AMD has over the Nvidia GeForce 8800GT is full support for DirectX10.1. While DX10.1 has some promising improvements for game development in terms of tighter blending and filtering formats, a set of specified multi-sampling antialiasing (MSAA) patterns and the inclusion of custom filters, the biggest advances may come through the use of extensions from shader model (SM) 4.0 to SM4.1 and more significantly from the adoption of techniques using cube map arrays for effects like global illumination. You need to keep in mind that some of these will not be implemented in the short term.

Of all of the cards, the value and overall performance title goes to the AMD Radeon HD 3870. It has enough horsepower to play all the games currently on the market very well. Purchasing any of the midrange cards will not leave you short in terms of performance, but the AMD solutions and especially the HD 3870 offers the most for the most bang for the buck.
 

JoeFu

Banned
Chrono said:
They're out now on Newegg, didn't check other places. Not in stock though, unless you're looking for a 3850.

dang... sapphire 3870 already sold out :(

NVM ALL 3870's SOLD OUT :((((((
 

Chrono

Banned
By the way, what are the good ATI brands? I know for example EVGA is always recommended for Nvidia cards, but I don't know anything about the ATI ones.
 

Tenacious-V

Thinks his PR is better than yours.
The HD 3870 X2 is already completed. I guess they're just banging away at the drivers until January.

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AMD showcased Call of Duty 4 running on two of these cards and eventually got it out for us as well. The most interesting thing is that the card is dual slot, as expected, has two GPU's on it with a rather interesting 777 MHz clock and two power connectors, a 3x2 pin and one 4x2 pin.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4250&Itemid=1
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
Alright, so here's a question.

the 3870x2 is two gpu's on one card.

So say, for instance, I have the Asus p5k deluxe motherboard, it has two PCIx16 slots.

blue spot is full-speed pcix16
the black slot is pcix16 form factor but max of pcix4 speed.

the mobo is crossfire ready.

Will I lose any performance if I put two 3870x2's in?
 

Chrono

Banned
Does anybody know what's the noise in decibels for the 3870 fan? I have a DuOrb cooler and I don't know if I should sell it or use it when I buy a 3870. Its noise is 39 decibels at full speed and I'd like to compare before making a decision.

DrEvil said:
Alright, so here's a question.

the 3870x2 is two gpu's on one card.

So say, for instance, I have the Asus p5k deluxe motherboard, it has two PCIx16 slots.

blue spot is full-speed pcix16
the black slot is pcix16 form factor but max of pcix4 speed.

the mobo is crossfire ready.

Will I lose any performance if I put two 3870x2's in?

Here's a good article that might help:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/10/12/crossfire_comparison_intel_x38_versus_p35/1
 

artist

Banned
Chrono said:
Does anybody know what's the noise in decibels for the 3870 fan? I have a DuOrb cooler and I don't know if I should sell it or use it when I buy a 3870. Its noise is 39 decibels at full speed and I'd like to compare before making a decision.
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artist

Banned
8800GT vs 3870

1280x1024: 11% faster
1600x1200: 11% faster
2560x1600: 9% faster
DX10 1xAA/1xAF: 5% faster
DX10 2560x1600 1xAA/1xAF: 3% faster
1280x1024 4xAA/16xAF: 19% faster
1280x1024 8xAA/16xAF: 5% slower
1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF: 8% faster
1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF: 20% slower
2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF: 9% faster
2560x1600 8xAA/16xAF: 102% slower
D3D10 4xAA/16xAF: 11% faster
D3D10 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF: 22% slower

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2007/test_ati_radeon_hd_3870/28/

The 8800GT doesnt scale as well as the 3870.

They also did a Performance per dollar at 1600x1200 4xAA 16xAF (too bad they didnt include HD3850 which would have won by a clear margin :D )

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HD3850 relative performance by Extremetech:
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For $100 less about 70-80% performance. Not bad eh?
 

Chrono

Banned
I think something like the 3850 is what Nintendo is looking at for their next console. I hope it'll be more like the 3870X2 though. :p
 

NIghtWolf

Member
ok theres so many different benchies out there that im confused.

what card is better witout sli/crossfire

the 8800GT or Radeon 38xx (no x2) ?

because in this thread I see the radeon overwhelming the 88000GT but here:

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703

I see the 8800GT winning the ati.

I don't care about companies, what i care is to know which is the best and consume less power, because I also heard that the ati consume less but then I see this graph in the 8800GT thread:

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what I know is that

Ati is cheaper and quieter so far. I have doubts in everything else.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
*Waits for dust to settle to decide if I should stick w/ nVidia, or go back down ATI Ave.*
 

Chrono

Banned
NIghtWolf said:
ok theres so many different benchies out there that im confused.

what card is better witout sli/crossfire

the 8800GT or Radeon 38xx (no x2) ?

In the majority of reviews the 8800GT is declared superior to the 3870. AnandTech put the different in power at 15%. On the other hand ATI is cheaper, much more so now that the 8800GTs are being marked up everywhere.

As for power consumption, in that same AnandTech review the 3870 was just a bit over the 8800GT at load but a lot less at idle.
 

NIghtWolf

Member
Chrono said:
In the majority of reviews the 8800GT is declared superior to the 3870. AnandTech put the different in power at 15%. On the other hand ATI is cheaper, much more so now that the 8800GTs are being marked up everywhere.

As for power consumption, in that same AnandTech review the 3870 was just a bit over the 8800GT at load but a lot less at idle.


I see, thank you.
 
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