Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Haven't watched that video, just the trailers out there and some screens. Good to hear there is more to the color palette then, just weird that they don't show any of it in trailers.
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[redacted] Hollow Knight
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Haven't watched that video, just the trailers out there and some screens. Good to hear there is more to the color palette then, just weird that they don't show any of it in trailers.
Japanmanx3
Member
Thread title is no longer clickbait at least.
Mods gonna mod. It's just my opinion, and people can decide whatever they want. I made a thread since I genuinely believe one of my favourite games of all time has been surpassed.
Undead Hero
Member
Yeah... I kickstarted this game and got 100% shortly after it was released. Nostalgia aside, I think it's the best "Metroidvania" game of all time. The exploration in this game alone is incredibly exciting just due to the variety of areas and enemies, and the atmosphere and art are amazing. Doesn't hurt that it's really fun to play. One of those games that I didn't want to put down when it was over.
Add me to the HK is the best metroidvania in the last 20 years camp. I love Salt & Sanctuary, Axiom Verge, Valdis Story, Aquaria, La-Mulana and many other 'modern' metroidvanias but Hollow Knight really is a cut above even the best of them. I will not say that it's better than Super Metroid or Symphony of the Night but it's certainly up there with those two.
Expectations are now set unrealistically high for Ghost Song and Heart Forth Alicia.
So what was the original thread title?
Expectations are now set unrealistically high for Ghost Song and Heart Forth Alicia.
So what was the original thread title?
Jesus everyone in this thread is helping to set my expectations so high for this.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
"Super Metroid is surpassed by Hollow Knight"
Octavianus
Banned
This isn't making waiting for the Switch version any easier.. Maybe I'll just get the pc version and then get it again later on when it's released on the Switch.
But I don't want to play this on keyboard and I hate the xbox dpad
But I don't want to play this on keyboard and I hate the xbox dpad
xxRONN1Nxx
Member
Can't wait till this is out on Ps4.
Incendiary
Banned
Some people have way less time to play games and have to pick and choose what to buy and sink their time into. A shorter experience is actually preferable to me because I have found that unlike in my youth heyday, games that have a 30-40 hour runtime can take me a month+ to finish even if I only play that game, due to time constraints. So they have to be reaaaally worth it to me to get the longer the completion time is.
That being said, I've been interested in this particular game for a while and love the art style. Just waiting for it to come out on PS4 and then I'll likely pick it up.
Breathe deep, calm down
Jesus everyone in this thread is helping to set my expectations so high for this.
Remember taste is a variable thing so while it's always a very good game, you may find yourself less enamored. Just expect something solid and you will not feel let down
afternoon delight
Member
Great to hear it's so well received! I'm burnt out entirely on the genre at the moment but hopefully this, Momodora, and Ghost Song will perk me up in a year or two.
Uh this is the thread that says there's a better Super Metroid than Super Metroid right? People gonna get steamy.Remember taste is a variable thing so while it's always a very good game, you may find yourself less enamored. Just expect something solid and you will not feel let down
ESA is great and you're great for beating it!
IchigoSharingan
Member
what other great Metroidvanias are there lately?
The Illiterati
Member
All metroidvanias listed here are fantastic, IMO:
I skipped Salt and Sanctuary due to being burnt out on Dark Souls. Should I go back? How is the difficulty compared to HK? I love all the other games listed but didn't want something overly difficult. Bosses are my least favorite part of these games.
I skipped Salt and Sanctuary due to being burnt out on Dark Souls. Should I go back? How is the difficulty compared to HK? I love all the other games listed but didn't want something overly difficult. Bosses are my least favorite part of these games.
Dr.brain64
Member
Sold! Getting it for PS4.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I'd say they're on par, but they're quite different. Salt & Sanctuary is probably as hard as it gets right in the beginning (still not as hard as Dark Souls though) while after that, it's easy to find a fairly powerful build and 'sail' the rest of the way (I hear magic is particularly broken, in my experience really large swords also end up dispatching bosses in no time). There will be a few speed bumps along the way but I don't think it ever gets as intense as the W
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And yeah, it's a fantastic metroidvania, though the more metroid-y elements of the mix take some time to show themselves while at first it looks to be straight 2d Souls. It's I think the the only one of the recent metroidvanias that has an interconnected world on the same scale as Hollow Knight. In short, I totally recommend that you play it
Nabs
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https://twitter.com/TeamCherryGames/status/837173551501189120
Q: When can we expect a PS4 port?
A: Later this year... we'll keep people updated!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm one of the rare people who never thought Super Metroid was anything special. Maybe because I first played it when I was much older? I dunno.
Ori and the Blind forest was a much better Metroidvania for me. Shadow Complex too. Maybe even Strider.
Ori and the Blind forest was a much better Metroidvania for me. Shadow Complex too. Maybe even Strider.
Jawmuncher
Member
Boo at the thread title change.
Super Metroid aint even that good.
Super Metroid aint even that good.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I don't necessarily disagree, but...
Also, Dust An Elysian Tale. I mean, Super Metroid obviously seems to have set the bar all those years ago, but it's been cleared numerous times.
Greatest Ever
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Thread title change is pretty petty; I don't like it when it's done in threads that blow up in their TC's the face, but I understand the humor of it. This is just dickish and no fun for anyone except the mod his or herself.
The only thing special about Dust is the number of people who worked on it. One of the most over hyped indie games ever.
Agreed. There's really no reason for the change.
Hollow Knight is indeed amazing. My favorite game of the year so far (didnt play Zelda, but Ive played Nier, Horizon and RE7). Such a good game with a ton of love put into it!
Combat is good, sense of exploration is good, music is AMAZING. The only negative I can think of is that I wish there were more places to teleport to - late game can become a little (just a little) bit repetitive because of backtracking. Either way, a solid 10/10 from me
Combat is good, sense of exploration is good, music is AMAZING. The only negative I can think of is that I wish there were more places to teleport to - late game can become a little (just a little) bit repetitive because of backtracking. Either way, a solid 10/10 from me
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Same. It's a great game, but it's not the be all end all I've heard about ever since EGM (100th issue?) ranked it first in the list of best games many years ago.
C.Olimar788
Member
lol @ the new topic title
Still a good game, though. And a game I enjoyed almost the whole way through, which is more than a lot of The Influential Best Games of All Time can say, haha.
Same. Super Metroid has its fair share of problems and, while it was an incredibly influential game, has been easily surpassed by more recent games. Most notably, Metroid Prime.
Still a good game, though. And a game I enjoyed almost the whole way through, which is more than a lot of The Influential Best Games of All Time can say, haha.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, I don't get it either. I find these opinions to be absolutely, mind-boggingly insane. And I haven't even played the game, just saw screenshots and gifs. I can see someone disliking maybe the muted palettes (I don't mind much, but I do like variety of palettes/environments), but it otherwise looks stunningly beautiful.
Honestly though, I can't think of any time where the "looks like a Flash game" criticism ever had any merit. It's applied so liberally to any 2D games it has lost all meaning.
This game is a treasure, absolutely the best Metroidvania since Super Metroid and SotN. And I dare say, if all three launched at the same time, Hollow Knight would definitely top some people's lists.
And yes, there are plenty of areas that have colour and different layouts and design, but since we live in "spoiler culture," people don't disseminate images of those areas.
And yes, there are plenty of areas that have colour and different layouts and design, but since we live in "spoiler culture," people don't disseminate images of those areas.
Leafhopper
Banned
That's a pretty petty title change from whatever mod did it. Heaven forbid someone finds a newer game in the same vain of a classic better than said classic lol. Doesn't make that older game any less of an amazing game.
I feel like I'll play this at some point, I have only heard praise of Hollow Knight, it helps that I don't play too many Metroidvanias.
How was it clickbait? It was OPs opinion.
I feel like I'll play this at some point, I have only heard praise of Hollow Knight, it helps that I don't play too many Metroidvanias.
How was it clickbait? It was OPs opinion.
a very cute dog
Member
Waiting for this to go on sale (or maybe just come to the Switch), it looks really good. I'm surprised at the amount of negative comments regarding the artstyle, it looks lovely to me.
but they're not the same kind of game??
evilromero
Member
Haven't played Outland but SM and SK aren't comparable.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
It's more so the character design that I hate, rest of the art looks pretty cool.
Nabs
Member
Outland doesn't belong either.
SparkleMotion
Member
How dare you say a current game is better than (insert game I played as a kid).
WHAT???? I am sorry but Dust? I mean, the inagme art was great and animation smooth but the rest? A combo mashy fighting system that simply dragged on and on, terrible portraits, even more terrible voice acting and a bland, upfront story.
I mean I gave my money but I couldn't stomach more than 90 minutes of Dust.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Sweet! The more platforms the better.
Great f.....g.g game. Art style is beautiful, mechanics are solid, responsiveness/controls are excellent. The stuttering, engine related I am sure, hopefully will be fixed.
Find this reasoning a little unfair. (Apples vs Oranges) The "art/medium/tools" of writing a book, painting a picture, making/directing a movie (which have a vision/message to deliver) where pretty developed for their time.
And from a purely game-play perspective the tools have advanced quite a bit (also for metrovania 2d), allowing for more complex animation to merge with game mechanics, having more mechanics, etc.
This may make the OG Metriod seem even more astonishing (given they had to work on "limited" hardware), but from a purely objective point-of-view, not so much?
Anyway glowing recommendations. (On a indie binge as my 980ti melted)
Edit: No saying it's not difficult to make a good metrovania, but maybe not as difficult. (sry boiler-plate arguments just irks me, maybe this was your point
Edit2: Not sure if you are prasing of dissing HK, one hand it seems that you could be praising them for the unimaginably task of making a great metrovania, on the other hand you seem to be offended that a master-piece like Metriod (as monalisa/citizencane/greatgatesby) is even compared to this piece of s....
Edit3: Do not post when drunk=
Find this reasoning a little unfair. (Apples vs Oranges) The "art/medium/tools" of writing a book, painting a picture, making/directing a movie (which have a vision/message to deliver) where pretty developed for their time.
And from a purely game-play perspective the tools have advanced quite a bit (also for metrovania 2d), allowing for more complex animation to merge with game mechanics, having more mechanics, etc.
This may make the OG Metriod seem even more astonishing (given they had to work on "limited" hardware), but from a purely objective point-of-view, not so much?
Anyway glowing recommendations. (On a indie binge as my 980ti melted)
Edit: No saying it's not difficult to make a good metrovania, but maybe not as difficult. (sry boiler-plate arguments just irks me, maybe this was your point
Edit2: Not sure if you are prasing of dissing HK, one hand it seems that you could be praising them for the unimaginably task of making a great metrovania, on the other hand you seem to be offended that a master-piece like Metriod (as monalisa/citizencane/greatgatesby) is even compared to this piece of s....
Edit3: Do not post when drunk
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