It's not about whether she's actually in a tomb, it's about the gameplay that TR fans tend to associate with tombs and other ancient interiors: challenging platforming, puzzle-solving and exploration. Also about the atmosphere and mood: mysterious, quiet, solitary, adventurous... This had none of that.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider Gameplay (Gamescom 2015)
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It's not about whether she's actually in a tomb, it's about the gameplay that TR fans tend to associate with tombs and other ancient interiors: challenging platforming, puzzle-solving and exploration. Also about the atmosphere and mood: mysterious, quiet, solitary, adventurous... This had none of that.
WrenchNinja
Member
Showing one tomb and a puzzle isn't showing everything. Unless there is literally only five minutes worth of tomb raiding in the game. What are you even arguing? Short glimpses as opposed to a gameplay segment.
SerTapTap
Member
Christ, they really took the violence and ran with it. Nathan Drake would blush. I laughed when they threw up a grid of tomb pictures to be like "hey guys there's tombs as well"
Literally impossible for people to have enjoyed the original games or legitimately dislike the new ones
Literally impossible for people to have enjoyed the original games or legitimately dislike the new ones
It was ok... I'm looking forward to see more though!
Fbh
Member
I'm not a super fan of the franchise but the whole demo just seemed weird
The video looked like every stealth game ever. Bushes to sneak around, insta kills from the back, some sort of poison, aereal takedown that for some reason is super silent, marking enemies and taking them out at the same time, throwing bottles to distract enemies, etc. It's the type of gameplay you see in almost every modern game with stealth mechanics.
They should have focused on what sets the franchise apart, they should have shown more exploring and platforming and puzzle solving and mix it up with some action.
Take Lara away from the short trailer at the end and you are left thinking "Looks Tomb Raider"
Take Lara away from that gameplay demo and you are left thinking "Is this a new Assassins Creed?"
SerTapTap
Member
Proper stealth kind of requires enemies be inhumanly stupid. Actually sneaking up on people is way too difficult to be fun in a game environment.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Where is this faux outrage? Do you have anyone to call out?
drotahorror
Member
Not to mention all the footage from today's stream is insanely washed out. The Scalebound video looked so much better here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ldMjl-n3c than on the twitch stream live.
Gonna wait for better quality on this one.
Faux outrage, huh? Tell me more about my own opinions and feelings, why don't ya? You know more about them than me, apparently.
Tripolygon
Banned
The game has changed, there is already a whole game to tell these people that the Tomb Raider of PS1 is no more, they need to get over it.
piccio_ssl
Member
dat double headshot
As good as the game looks, and it DOES look good, you pretty much nailed it.
That sense of awe and isolation as you walked into a giant puzzle tomb, a playground of platforming, puzzle-solving, and atmosphere. They challenged your mind far more than your trigger finger.
I do legitimately miss that and the last game barely scratched that itch.
Finale Fireworker
Member
People still complain that the impossibly unfun and unfair AI seen in very early Last of Us demos didn't make it into the game. People don't know any better.
It sounds like the new Tomb Raider.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Maybe. But it's hard to let go of something you love. (Although, to be fair, the Tomb Raider of PS1 days has been lost ever since the franchise got taken away from Core.)
Tripolygon
Banned
Millions of fans who enjoyed the last one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your outrage.My outrage is quite real.
Journey
Banned
Which is why the PS4 has an easier time handling games at 1080p, I believe that's where fillrate is important, the reflection of that being games running 900p vs 1080p, the higher resolution also requiring the difference in computation power, which pretty much boils down to the difference between the two consoles. What the PS4 does at 1080p, be it as amazing looking as TW3 or Batman: AK, the XB1 handles it pretty much the same at 900p. There will never be a game that looks twice as good on PS4 vs XB1, we can't even say something looks 30-40% better because it has 30-40% more pixels; you just can't ignore all of the brilliant lighting and other engine effects that form the full make-up of a game, or also ignore the rest of the puzzle like the CPU which is a bottleneck for both.
Expect more stealth shooter. Honestly, the people expecting a bigger focus on tombs are probably going to be disappointed. There will probably be more tombs but I'm not expecting it to be the main focus. The focus is going to be on combat, set-pieces, and atmosphere like the last game and that is fine by me.
The combat is looking ace. Lara transitions from water, to ground, to air, it looked so smooth. That's what I liked about the previous game. I'll take more gamey environments personally. Designing stuff to look natural is a gateway to designing boring. I would gladly take both of course, but if I have to take one, give me the one that sparks my imagination and let's me be creative.
Glad they're not showing too much of the tombs, since discovering those and solving them is a lot of fun. I'd rather see environments, animation, performance, etc. vs. seeing someone play/solve a tomb. I think the game's going to be fantastic, but maybe that's just me; I'd rather be an optimist who is wrong than a pessimist who is right.
Millions of fans bought Resident Evil 6 too.
That doesn't mean millions of people were a-okay with it.
gamerMan
Member
Wow. The stealth combat reminds me a lot of Last Of Us but much deeper. It looks much more fluid than the Uncharted games. I love the tactical aspect of it which allows for a bit of exploration. Lara can scale trees and other objects to get a better vantage point. If they nail the exploration in the Tombs this could be amazing. Super excited for this because it is going to feel completely different from the last game unlike most sequels.
You're not wrong.
Skulking through a darkened enemy base, stealth takedowns and shotgun flurries. Occasional parkour moves and untold dead.
It's easy to see why people hark on about the Tomb Raiding aspect. Much of what was shown in the last two clips of this game you'll find readily available somewhere else.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
What is that supposed to mean? I was jokingly responding to someone calling my criticism of this game fake.
InsaneTiger
Member
Exploding heads!
Nice Lara, I think you beat Nathan in the race towards ultra-violence.
I'm expecting her to be the drinking blood of the final boss.
KANYE WEST
Banned
Millions of fans were a-okay with Tomb Raider 2013
Not hard to figure it out.
Lara the mass murderer lololol. Comments come in waves whenever the game is shown. It's jsut getting old.
It's just nice to know a lot more people like the new Tomb Raider then people stuck in the 90's thinking games need to be the exact same 20 years later.
Awesome. The Flying Knife Kills will be a nice supplement to my bow massacres.
I agree. I was a big fan of the gameplay in TR2013 and this looks like an evolved version of both that and the Last of Us. Excited.
I agree. I was a big fan of the gameplay in TR2013 and this looks like an evolved version of both that and the Last of Us. Excited.
Tripolygon
Banned
Millions of people were ok with it, it reviewed well with both critics and user score. I have come to realize that outrage on forums does not correlate with actual regular consumer opinion, especially when it comes to gaming.
Million of consumers who enjoyed it>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your outrage.
Well apologies then. Most criticism of this game are nonsensical.
I'm one of those people that loved it and bought it and then bought it again on PS4.
... But that doesn't mean I didn't have criticism of certain parts or some decisions. You can love a game and not love every decision made regarding it.
I loved it... and STILL think there were too few tombs and too much bang-bang shooting.
RichiRamjag
Member
It's their opinion. Not sure why you're being so obnoxious about it. Having a game that involves exploration and puzzle-solving doesn't mean that people are stuck in the 90s. I don't think the game looks terrible, but it isn't like this style of gameplay is anything new or inventive either.
Such a shame the Tomb Raider IP has gone in this direction, I really thought after what CD said about larger puzzles/tombs we would see more of it but what we saw today was just more of the same from the last game.
Take Lara out of the game and its pretty generic (its like high street does Naughty Dog), the game as its presented is fine - just expect more from the TR IP because it was far more special in its original form. Got time til launch to showcase what made Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider so theres some hope!
ps3ud0 8)
Take Lara out of the game and its pretty generic (its like high street does Naughty Dog), the game as its presented is fine - just expect more from the TR IP because it was far more special in its original form. Got time til launch to showcase what made Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider so theres some hope!
ps3ud0 8)
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
More Rambo than Indiana Jones this time around.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
You have your opinion and I have mine. Like that is what's happening, not "faux outrage".
Also I didn't know games needed third person shooting or to be exactly the same as old games.
Demoskinos
Member
I just want a super cut of Lara stabbing dudes in the dick while Rihannas "Bitch Better Have My Money" blares in the background.
Gangnam style is the best song ever.
Billions of views >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your favourite song.
Damn my comment wasn't posted because my phone decided to act up the moment I pressed post.
Basically I think CD hasn't learned a thing from the previous game and are making the same mistakes. I wish they made the RPG mechanics (upgrading) a lot more worthwhile. Less is more approach should be important there, it's useless having several "skills" when in actuality few of them matter.
Basically I think CD hasn't learned a thing from the previous game and are making the same mistakes. I wish they made the RPG mechanics (upgrading) a lot more worthwhile. Less is more approach should be important there, it's useless having several "skills" when in actuality few of them matter.
InsaneTiger
Member
Not sure how having more exploration and less straight-up killing is having a mindset stuck in the 90s? Nathan kills too but Lara seems to be heading toward ultra-violence with some minor exploration.
The skills and abilities are tied to XP from killing enemies so it encourages the player to kill everything in sight.
GravityMan
Member
Visuals and gameplay look pretty damn good to me.