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[Hektor]

It's like people in SFV threads asking for proof of the deal with Sony.

Psssssh, that is different!

 

[MisterR]

Of course it was already being made, but I doubt it would have come in 2015 as a multiplatform. It would have probably taken 1+ years more.

As clearly demonstrated by the PC version coming out weeks later.

 

[jackdoe]

Of course it was already being made, but I doubt it would have come in 2015 as a multiplatform. It would have probably taken 1+ years more.

Nixxes downported to the Xbox 360 as part of the MS agreement. A flat out miracle. You can't seriously be saying that they wouldn't be able to handle much more straightforward PC and PS4 ports in the same time frame as the 360 port.

 

[lukeskymac]

The unfortunately very low quality of the writing in this game doesn't deserve this amount of sales.

Pretty graphics though. It's a nice tech demo I guess?

I guess it really is Tomb Raider 2013+ then...

 

[sflufan]

That's not too much.

I beg your pardon?

It sold in 2 weeks on Steam approximately the same amount that it has sold at retail on the XB1 in 2 months. I'd say that's pretty damned good.

 

[Chobel]

It's like people in SFV threads asking for proof of the deal with Sony.

Except in SFV's case, we have more explicit statements.

As clearly demonstrated by the PC version coming out weeks later.

Must be the good MS helping PC version come out early.

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

I never said it wouldn't be made without their money.

Bullshit

You said that exactly

MS supported and paid ROTTR to be made.

 

[Anth0ny]

Wonder how many where because of nvidia promo

that's how I got mine!

 

[plagiarize]

Bullshit

You said that exactly

Saying MS paid for the game to be made is not equivalent saying it wouldn't have been made without MS paying for it.

Not remotely.

 

[NeoRaider]

Bullshit

You said that exactly

I repeat, i never said that game wouldn't be made without MS money. Try reading that again. Slow and steady.

 

[texhnolyze]

Both RotTR and JC3 are doing well.
Denuvo.. works?

 

[etta]

Nixxes downported to the Xbox 360 as part of the MS agreement. A flat out miracle. You can't seriously be saying that they wouldn't be able to handle much more straightforward PC and PS4 ports in the same time frame as the 360 port.

How long did Nixxes work on it?

 

[roadrunn3r]

On the other hand Xcom2 is a more hardcore-ish game, it aims to a more dedicated audience, which may have more inclination in buying their games instead of pirating. Tomb Raider fits a bit more the profile of games that are highly pirated: AAA games which are a bit more casual and with great graphics.

In a way yes but that would be my argument in reverse. I mean a big mainstream game like TR should have a much bigger audience than a niche game like Xcom2 otherwise we would have to accept that the majority of PC gamers are hardcore gamers which we know it's not the case.
Also big mainstream games have proved to sell well on PC which confirms the fact that there is an audience who is willing to pay for them. Returning to my point, the sales of the last 2 big games which have Denuvo (TR and JC3) do not tell anything about the "effectiveness" of Denuvo. Games which have been pirated since day1 have sold more and continue to do so.

 

[Chobel]

How long did Nixxes work on it?

Does it matter? 360 version was day one.

 

[Matt]

Of course it was already being made, but I doubt it would have come in 2015 as a multiplatform. It would have probably taken 1+ years more.

That's not true at all.

 

[NeoRaider]

Both RotTR and JC3 are doing well.
Denuvo.. works?

JC3 is not doing that good imo. Even Mad Max new IP has sold more copies. I expected more from JC3. But it looks like bad optimisation didn't help, also that User Score... :/

 

[etta]

Does it matter? 360 version was day one.

Yes, could they handle not one but three ports in the same timeframe?

Must be the good MS helping PC version come out early.

I don't know why you're sarcastic here, money can speed a game development's schedule, you can hire more people and divide the work.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

The unfortunately very low quality of the writing in this game doesn't deserve this amount of sales.

I keep seeing this opinion and I continue to not understand it.

Yes, the writing in this game is not revelatory nor groundbreaking. If RotTR was a book, it would not be a very good one.

But heck, for a video game, it's certainly above average, and even compared to many Blockbuster action films it doesn't fare so badly. I'm all for holding video games to a higher standard than they currently are, but I don't understand why this series in particular gets so much hate for its writing.

And this is coming from someone who has a number of major issues with RotTR.

 

[texhnolyze]

JC3 is not doing that good imo. Even Mad Max new IP has sold more copies. I expected more from JC3. But it looks like bad optimisation didn't help, also that User Score... :/

Yeah, the bad optimization kills the user reviews score, and also sales. :/

 

[Chobel]

That's not true at all.

 

[witchedwiz]

Obligatory
Se analysts recap for boa: "it has sold less than 8 million , it's a failure!"

 

[Kagari]

Can we have a Tomb Raider thread where people aren't bickering over platform deals for once? Thanks!

 

[StrongBlackVine]

JC3 is not doing that good imo. Even Mad Max new IP has sold more copies. I expected more from JC3. But it looks like bad optimisation didn't help, also that User Score... :/

I never understood the hype for Just Cause 3. It is the poster child for empty boring open worlds.

 

[Chobel]

Yes, could they handle not one but three ports in the same timeframe?

Three ports? They only need 2, PC and PS4. And yes they can, outsource the work to other studios if not possible.

I don't know why you're sarcastic here, money can speed a game development's schedule, you can hire more people and divide the work.

Except CD worked solely on XBO, Nixxes (which was already contracted) is the one handling the other ports.

 

[Novocaine]

Can we have a Tomb Raider thread where people aren't bickering over platform deals for once? Thanks!

Only after we get a Soulsborne thread that doesn't have Dark Souls 2 bashing in it.

 

[JumpCancel]

Can we have a Tomb Raider thread where people aren't bickering over platform deals for once? Thanks!

Only after we get a Soulsborne thread that doesn't have Dark Souls 2 bashing in it.

 

[Metroidvania]

The unfortunately very low quality of the writing in this game doesn't deserve this amount of sales.

Pretty graphics though. It's a nice tech demo I guess?

Someone's bitter, lol.

Story was not great by any stretch of the imagination (especially the constant over-the-top 'Lara's so gonna die-wait no she's not' elements), and personally, I liked the first one way better, but pray tell, did the writing kill your puppy?

 

[Harlequin]

Also ROTTR's writing is not any worse than your typical non-good video game writing, I've no idea why everyone focuses so much on that when it has about the same level of quality you'd expect from a video game

Because the game puts so much focus on its story. A bad story is excusable in a game in which the story doesn't intrude too much on the gameplay and there aren't too many cutscenes/QTEs/etc. disrupting the game flow but in something like the TReboot/Rise or the Uncharted games where you've got so many scripted and cinematic gameplay sequences along with a bunch of cutscenes and where the developers seem to be treating the game's story as if it were the best thing since sliced bread, you simply need to have good writing and a good plot to back that up. If you create a game that's so story-focused, your game's story should be held up to a higher standard than the story of a game which isn't.

 

[Maintenance]

Both RotTR and JC3 are doing well.
Denuvo.. works?

XCOM 2 does not have Denuvo, is already cracked and sold more in the first week.

 

[Saty]

Would be better to compare after the same numbers of days between the XB1 release and the over 1M copies PR.

 

[Matt]

XCOM 2 does not have Denuvo, is already cracked and sold more in the first week.

I mean, this isn't a reasonable argument at all. Though neither was the one you were responding to.

 

[TGO]

Yay, maybe it'll reach 2M between Steam and X1/360 before the PS4 version releases.
Thought it sell more on PC tbh.

 

[Arklite]

Pretty solid sales, I think the early port really helped as I didn't expect to see it on PC till April or May. The Steam release was sketchy with the post release discount, though.

 

[SFenton]

There is ~0% +|- 0% chance it did better than Steam.

That's... uh... what I said...?

Windows store... visibility? Please.

I think it's hard to refute that at a minimum, having your store default installed on however many millions of machines doesn't give your game some sort of visibility.

Especially since it looks like ROTTR is still headlining the Games section on the store.

 

[SmokedMeat]

XCOM 2 does not have Denuvo, is already cracked and sold more in the first week.

Aren't these the sales for Steam only? The Windows version probably sold a ton as well given everyone was changing their region to India to get it for $10.

 

[nogoodnamesleft]

The unfortunately very low quality of the writing in this game doesn't deserve this amount of sales.

Pretty graphics though. It's a nice tech demo I guess?

So because the writing sucks, the game sucks.

Go away.

 

[BigTnaples]

Hopefully it sells enough to warrant continuing the franchise.

 

[BeforeU]

That's actually no bad. I think the game did profit, not as big as it could have been though. But well. I am sure MS compensated them well.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Pretty sweet (I think?). The game is really fun and the collect-a-thon is something I'm really enjoying (because the game is beautiful).

Spoiler

On the writing: yeah.... it's bad. Uncharted bad.

Hopefully it sells enough to warrant continuing the franchise.

^

 

[Complicated]

You could easily make an argument that the gameplay went backward a bit, given the issue with input lag the game had on the console it was most closely associated with.

I saw a few people commenting about input lag when it launched, but never experienced it. Snapping headshots was as simple as any other 30 fps game I've played, and I was playing the game at the same time as Halo 5 which is probably the best point of comparison you could make on consoles regarding controls and user input in recent games.

 

[DarthWalden]

Certainly benefited from a better release window.

 

[pineapplepizza]

It's also a part of the NVIDIA free bundle
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-nvidia-geforce-gtx-bundle (influx of digital copies from people upgrading their graphics cards during christmas/boxing day)

Many people got it highly discounted or for free

Those numbers are inflated and the thread title is misleading because it did not "sell" 430k copies.

Regardless, still an extremely popular title

 

[Spinifex]

So because the writing sucks, the game sucks.

Go away.

What's with the hostility? It's not unfair of us to expect a competent story given how much hype Crystal Dynamics throw around the performances of their voice actors and their writer, Rhianna Pratchett. Most videogame stories are pretty average, but we tolerate them because they're a videogame, this went BELOW that standard.

 

[harrisk954]

Story and graphics must be all that matter to you but some of us care more about gameplay.

A game like Tomb Raider needs all three: gameplay, story and graphics. It is a "story-driven" adventure game. I have not played Rise yet as I don't own an XB1, but I completely disliked the first one due to a substandard story, poor writing and terrible character development. I've heard that this game is more of the same. Gameplay is great and important (just look at The Order - pretty game with bad gameplay), but story and writing is of equal importance in this type of game.

EDIT: to add to my thought, some games don't need story and/or high end graphics because they are not story driven games. TR is.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

What the fuck are you talking about ? The poster made a claim as fact the burden of proof isn't on me.

And you call yourself Thebeardofknowledge smh

 

[LiquidSolid]

Of course it was already being made, but I doubt it would have come in 2015 as a multiplatform. It would have probably taken 1+ years more.

LOL. An entire YEAR?! Who do you think ported Tomb Raider 2013 over to PS3 and PC to release day and date with the 360 version? Wizards? The idea that Nixxes couldn't possibly have ported Rise of the Tomb Raider over to PS4 and PC day and date like they've done with every other Crystal Dynamics game over the last 10 years is laughable.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Hopefully it sells enough to warrant continuing the franchise.

CD isn't experiencing mass layoffs. My bet is they're working on the sequel right about now while a small team pushes the DLC out.

The gameplay is being touted so much here heh...mechanics work but there is more to gameplay that pressing x and seeing an arrow accurately hit its target.

 

[Warxard]

It's also a part of the NVIDIA free bundle
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-nvidia-geforce-gtx-bundle (influx of digital copies from people upgrading their graphics cards during christmas/boxing day)

Many people got it highly discounted or for free

Those numbers are inflated and the thread title is misleading because it did not "sell" 430k copies.

Regardless, still an extremely popular title

So did XCOM not 'sell' 500k because it was heavily discounted on Key resellers?

 

[YianGaruga]

A game like Tomb Raider needs all three: gameplay, story and graphics. It is a "story-driven" adventure game. I have not played Rise yet as I don't own an XB1, but I completely disliked the first one due to a substandard story, poor writing and terrible character development. I've heard that this game is more of the same. Gameplay is great and important (just look at The Order - pretty game with bad gameplay), but story and writing is of equal importance in this type of game.

EDIT: to add to my thought, some games don't need story and/or high end graphics because they are not story driven games. TR is.

I played TR2013, enjoyed it, but can tell you nothing about the story. I disagree that it's an important element.

And I don't even mind people criticizing the writing if they feel its bad, but saying the game should fail because of that? That's just dumb

 

[shandy706]

Eh, the writing in Rise isn't absolute shit or anything. This must be one of those cases where people are coming in from games with amazing writing like The Witcher 3, Uncharted 2, The Last of Us and the difference in writing quality becomes too jarring.

The bar has been raised and Crystal Dynamics needs to catch up, no doubt about that.

This is why we all have opinions though.

I wouldn't put it above Uncharted 2, but I'd rather play RotTR through 5 times before having to play through TLoU once.