Yes they rebranded it for OEM. But the desktop cards that will come out this year will still be called 8000.
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Rumored Chinese Forum Xbox720 specs: 8CoreCPU,8GB,HD8800GPU,W8,640GBHDD
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Yes they rebranded it for OEM. But the desktop cards that will come out this year will still be called 8000.
gaming_noob
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Always so negative in MS threads.
Why?
- 8 Jaguar cores are smaller these days than the 360 CPU when it was released and far less power hungry
- 8 GB of DDR3 cost 35 - at retail
- The GPU is mid-range from the naming. However, integrated eDRAM should raise costs a bit.
- A 640 GB laptop HDD could in fact be the most expensive single component, at ~50 at retail right now.
Jaguar is so skinny that I'd have liked 16
Don't get me wrong, 8 isn't that bad. Just ~5x Wii U in terms of CPU GFLOPs though, at 1.6 GHz.
entremet
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Does it matter since it will be all digital as well? And probably support installs without disc checking. I hope.
outunderthestars
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Intentional leak to steal some attention away from Valve's appearance at CES?
Some people here think it's perfectly doable, some like you think it'd cost a fortune. I guess by that nobody has a clue how much it'll cost.
Still, the incurred $2b? loss on 360 before going into profit, (minus RROD $1B) that's without the original Xbox propping up the division.
They'll be able to sustain losses.
Can Crusher
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Are those good or bad at 400$?
Jaguar is so skinny that I'd have liked 16
Don't get me wrong, 8 isn't that bad. Just ~5x Wii U in terms of CPU GFLOPs though, at 1.6 GHz.
nah, doesn't matter. It'll only be doing housekeeping anyway, generation will be GPU centric
outunderthestars
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But why in a Chinese forum?
It still found its way to us in a matter of hours yes?
Possible, but if that rumor about four way SMT is right then AMD has nothing like that, only IBMs Power7 does.
No, AMD and Vidia often rebrand gpu cards for OEMs.
Desktop variants of 8800 and 8900 series will be new and improved ahitecture, very powerful, and fully HSA compatible. They will be released in Q2.
Can Crusher
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Wasn't this going to have some sort of dual gpu or something?
popsicle_sundays
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Now that is a console I could back up, I hope it turns out to be true.
I'm expecting $500, and I'd probably pay that.
I'm expecting $500, and I'd probably pay that.
Either NextBox or PlayStationX will not launch at that RSP, even for *basic* models. 499 for *basic* retail and even more for *premium*.
Both will subsidise part of price with *fee* pricing for the US, while Eurolands and Nippon will get high basic price at 499 euro/whatever.
Expecting all those candies for peanuts is just not happening.
outunderthestars
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8GB memory? wow same memory as my PC
I could see it launching at $399 or $199 on subscription.....
They're going to call their new architecture by the same name as the rebranded cards with no performance improvements? It doesn't seem likely from a marketing pov, Nvidia did the same thing with the 300 series and just skipped that for the new architecture.
No one knows what it will be called yet.
would be okay, a pc with this will cost maybe 550-600$ (self build) in one year. Not soo much more expensive but Games are will be much much more optimized for the xbox720
edit: so launch price for 400$ is not that unrealistic. I can build a pc right now with same speccs but with 7870 for 550€ and MS will not pay nearly as much as i must pay for all this components ^^
I think some people just read "8 cores" or "8 GB" and think "expensive", without putting it in the proper context. The memory is very likely DDR3, which is dirt cheap. And, for example, a 4-core ARM SoC costs $15, so 2 of those would be $30. It's not that simple, but it's a closer mental model to Jaguar than the i5/i7 behemoths that people think of when they hear "CPU cores".
1st Course
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We are not going to see some crazily powerful CPU (ala CELL) this time aren't we? So far all rumors are pointing out to some disappointing stuff, we will be lucky if we got something in the range of the 2500k at this rate.
Glass Rebel
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please call it the 8∞8, microsoft.
Jibbajabbawockky
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I'm really curious how MS prices this thing.
phosphor112
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... lol
I love when these threads happen, because we get posts like this.
It isn't until 800+ posts later that comments like this get lost in time.
lolno.
there was never any chance of getting something in the range of a 2500k.
If it's 8 Jaguar cores, not even close. In terms of Intel CPUs, it would be closer to an 8-core Core duo or something like that, had it existed.
No, off-shelf stuff only.
Devkits are generally beefier than the retail products yes. For example, devkits normally possess twice as much RAM as in the retail product.
Comandr
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Falls in line with the old speculation about the name being Xbox Infinite and/or Loop. It's not a loop or a symbol. It's a fucking 8. *mindblown.png*
Also: $800. Wouldn't want to get inconsistent with the last number!
In all seriousness, depending on the speed, I could see this thing going for $499-599 and MS still taking a loss on it. Both the 8850 and 8870 are in the $200-300 range retail, and neither of them are even out yet. I'm totally down for bleeding edge technology, and it clearly worked for MS before with the Xbox 360.
As it stands, these specs will put it in the same ballpark as high end PCs of today, which is where next gen consoles are believed to hover, power-wise.
Love it or hate it, the 360 is a great entertainment hub; ads aside. There is a ton of content, and new stuff is being added pretty frequently. I certainly don't like having to pay to access features that I can plug into for free on a PC, such as Hulu or YouTube. I think MS would have an easier time justifying a higher priced console if they could alleviate some of the psychological strain from having to pay a ridiculous monthly fee to access free content that you can get virtually anywhere else. XBL Gold should be more in line with PS+. It's fucking 2013. I shouldn't have to pay 8 dollars a month to play games online with my friends.
The tremendous downside to the 360 being used as a media hub, is that MS keeps shoehorning in new features and content into a console that is now going on 8 yea..(I SEE WHAT U DID THAR MS. YOU MADE ME SAY 8 AGAIN. SUBLIMINAL.) ...going on 8 years old, and its definitely showing. Virtually any action you take on the console's interface there is a pause, and Netflix/Hulu are a nightmare to navigate. Not as bad as Wii U, but for entirely different reasons.
That being said, an abundance of ram, a preposterously powerful new video card, and strong processor will ensure that MS integrates the next generation Xbox firmly into the living room with fluid, seamless design and execution.
Now give us our token next gen Gears and Halo games, and then let them die with some dignity, because when this console gets its feet wet, I want to see some new IPs with new ideas.
Yes it matters to people who don`t have a big network connection
DerZuhälter
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Don't see what people are getting excited about. 8 cores @ 1.6Ghz sounds like a travesty to me. Will be crushed by iPhone7/ SGalaxy5 the way mobile cpus are developing.
outunderthestars
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Or want to buy/sell/loan used games...
Still, its nice thats 8 core design, because from tech standpoint it matters so much. We will finally have properly written games that uses standard multi core cpu and gpgpu to its limit, so it will scale amazingly with anything in PC space, especially with smth like it 2600k, that has 8 threads, but its so much faster
Yes, they do when You are comparing them to Sandy Bridge or even Phenoms.
Very often. The first 360 dev kits had x800 (not x1800) cards in them, then through various revisions they eventually got the chip the 360 has. The Wii U dev kit was changing right up until a few months from launch.
outunderthestars
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phosphor112
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No. Not in raw power. Of course it'll deal with optimizations of being a closed system, but the way you word it?
No.
No way. They will most definitely use custom stuff all around. These specs seem to be Devkit specs which use shelf stuff that match the custom silicon's performance.
DerZuhälter;46192914 said:
You could not be further away from the reality. Well you could, but lets not go there.
Long time ago maybe, when MS considered IBM designs. They are not focusing on a single big APU that has small Jaguar modules and large 8800 series GPU that is fully HSA compatible [automatic sharing of workload between cpu and gpu, code can be executed everywhere].
Barack Lesnar
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All the rumors suggest that the GPU is going to be heavily customized, I doubt it'll be an off-the-shelf 88xx series card. Guaranteed it's not.
Does the 1/2 ram thing from devkit to retail still apply here? so 8gb would be 4gb for retail?
Windows 8 kernel too?
I honestly couldn't have asked for better. This is all I've wanted from next-gen. This is what it's supposed to be, a full leap where you're getting the best bang for you buck and it also basically confirms 1080p games.
I'm praying Sony follows suit with another monster of a system. Imagine their first party offerings on these specs. Their current gen games (God of War 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 2) with just a simple IQ boost would look incredible (meaning higher res, AA, AF). Now imagine them built for these specs with all the next-gen bells & whistles, crazy.
Does the 1/2 ram thing from devkit to retail still apply here? so 8gb would be 4gb for retail?
Windows 8 kernel too?
I honestly couldn't have asked for better. This is all I've wanted from next-gen. This is what it's supposed to be, a full leap where you're getting the best bang for you buck and it also basically confirms 1080p games.
I'm praying Sony follows suit with another monster of a system. Imagine their first party offerings on these specs. Their current gen games (God of War 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 2) with just a simple IQ boost would look incredible (meaning higher res, AA, AF). Now imagine them built for these specs with all the next-gen bells & whistles, crazy.
DerZuhälter;46192914 said:
Err, no. ARM cores are just now surpassing ATOM, and high end x86 chips are still literally magnitudes faster. Maybe in sunspider and other specific tests they come within a few times away from the performance but the cores are much narrower and less branch happy, which matters for well optimized games. And that's not even mentioning that this chip would have 2-4x as many cores to work with.
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