Not sure why people are bringing up an XBLA version. Rare wrote the code, Nintendo published the original and now Activision own the Bond license. Microsoft only matter in keeping Goldeneye off Virtual Console. Nintendo and Activision have to agree on an XBLA. Seeing as this will be built from the ground up not using any legacy code from Rare an XBLA version looks likely to never happen.
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Rumour: Activision remaking Goldeneye for Wii
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AwesomeSyrup
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Do people even play COD on the DS?cooljeanius said:
Rush2thestart
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I just hope Nintendo makes sure this game isn't crap. Dead Space Extraction was great fun, but this is a different type of game. I hope Eurocom nails it.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/103/1038911p1.html
There's the source on Eurocom hiring a bunch of ex-Rare (after Microsoft bought them) and ex-Free Radical (after Crytek bought them) employees
There's the source on Eurocom hiring a bunch of ex-Rare (after Microsoft bought them) and ex-Free Radical (after Crytek bought them) employees
radioheadrule83
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I find it pretty mind boggling that nobody at either Nintendo or Microsoft thought to bring up the GoldenEye question when changing hands of Rare. Nintendo clearly sold the rights to the Banjo / Conker / PD code as well as the character rights, which is what Microsoft wanted, but they didn't think to broach the subject of GoldenEye at all?
Nintendo bankrolled, published and distributed the original game and Rare was a second party (essentially part of Nintendo) - so I can see why Nintendo own the code. They seem to hold some claim to the copyright of the game too:
...but none of that seemed to stop the level designs appearing in some form in the Perfect Dark remake. If you're wondering who the other parties are - Danjaq is a holding company for the copyrights and trademarks of James Bond, UAC is United Artists Corporation (part of MGM). People mistakenly thought that when Sony bought MGM they had some claim to the bond rights, but they just have a deal with Danjaq on the movie related properties. The Bond game rights currently sit with Activision.
If Microsoft / Nintendo / Activision decided they couldn't agree to get the original re-released or remade, maybe Nintendo just figured they'd have a 'reimagined' game made instead. It would make sense. There might be nothing to stop Microsoft from doing a similar thing.
To be honest, as great as GoldenEye was, its dated quite badly. A re-imagining could be pretty cool, as long as the developer(s) understand what made the original so compelling in single player missions and in multiplayer. I wish Free Radical was still at full strength to be able to do this -- they would have done it justice.
Nintendo bankrolled, published and distributed the original game and Rare was a second party (essentially part of Nintendo) - so I can see why Nintendo own the code. They seem to hold some claim to the copyright of the game too:
GoldenEye Manual said:
...but none of that seemed to stop the level designs appearing in some form in the Perfect Dark remake. If you're wondering who the other parties are - Danjaq is a holding company for the copyrights and trademarks of James Bond, UAC is United Artists Corporation (part of MGM). People mistakenly thought that when Sony bought MGM they had some claim to the bond rights, but they just have a deal with Danjaq on the movie related properties. The Bond game rights currently sit with Activision.
If Microsoft / Nintendo / Activision decided they couldn't agree to get the original re-released or remade, maybe Nintendo just figured they'd have a 'reimagined' game made instead. It would make sense. There might be nothing to stop Microsoft from doing a similar thing.
To be honest, as great as GoldenEye was, its dated quite badly. A re-imagining could be pretty cool, as long as the developer(s) understand what made the original so compelling in single player missions and in multiplayer. I wish Free Radical was still at full strength to be able to do this -- they would have done it justice.
I'm sure for a remake, consent would still be necessary from the original developer. Even if you're not using their code, you'd still be using their game and level design. I think the most likely scenario is that all three companies remained in talks (as this opportunity isn't one to be trashed and forgotten) and came to an agreement: Microsoft can release their remake (which is really just a port with updated art and online play), and Activision will develop a full-on remake for the Wii.Suzzopher said:
Tomasooie said:
Nope. A remake falls to publisher rights. If the game has all the same level design, AI, UI, props etc then yeah a dev would be able to call them out but if it is a remake with enough changes then it is all good. Rare own the level design hence the PDXBLA release including them.
Anton Sugar
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EatChildren said:
I haven't bought a Wii game since NSMB Wii (will be buying SMG2 after next week's paycheck), but I would totally buy this.
The recent XBLA Perfect Dark showed how to do it right. HD things up, add some bits but still manage to make it feel and play like it always did. For a new Goldeneye game to hit the right notes, it basically has to be like the above.
If its just using the "Goldeneye" name, in the hope that people will buy it thinking it is what they want, they could be very disappointed. I wonder what happened to the last "Goldeneye" using name hmmm?
If its just using the "Goldeneye" name, in the hope that people will buy it thinking it is what they want, they could be very disappointed. I wonder what happened to the last "Goldeneye" using name hmmm?
dacuk
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A Nintendo games music-based Guitar Hero would sell zillions...Taker666 said:I don't see why not. It would have a far better chance at selling that the majority of hardcore Wii/DS stuff.
Plus we don't know what sort of deal has been done. Maybe Nintendo moneyhatted a western company for once (or agreed to let activision make a Mario Guitar Hero game)
EatChildren
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Celine said:
Shit, seriously? I knew that they had done well, but ~500K in the US? That must have been such a great turn-around.
Would people really want to play Nintendo tunes on their plastic peripherals, though?daCuk said:
The audience seems completely different, much more subject to what's "cool" and "badass" than geeks that go beyond the "hey, I remember that tune from some game" and are actually willing to play video game music.
EatChildren said:
The turn around is due to the fact that the first month sales were just 36K ;-)
http://www.destructoid.com/those-gta-chinatown-wars-sales-are-good-in-a-different-way-129146.phtml
harry4000uk
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i'd buy a decent online fps on the 3DS
Glass Soldier
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Jocchan said:
I'd play F-Zero: Rock Band.
NeonZ
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radioheadrule83 said:
Maybe level design was considered too generic? Several important sections of Facility were based on actual sets from Goldeneye, it was never just Rare's creation. However, a slightly tweaked version still reappeared in Perfect Dark without problems, although the textures and name were changed.
JoshuaJSlone
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We're talking Mario & Luigi NES days differences here, like whether or not bathroom stalls have doors.donny2112 said:
JoshuaJSlone said:
Now it has been a while since I played Goldeneye's levels, but what I recall from when I was first playing Perfect Dark's levels is that there were distinct differences on a much higher scale than that of a simple color swap. Besides, it would be difficult to lay claim to the design of a hallway layout.
-WindYoshi-
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I'll say this: if they cannot keep the original music, the game simply will not be true Goldeneye.
Hot Coldman
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Glass Soldier said:
Fixed. This should have happened already.
JoshuaJSlone
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Going back to the bit about it using Daniel Craig Bond... how would that work? I'm not very Bond knowledgeable, but it seems New Bond would be a bit out of his time? Considering both that it deals with events that occurred some years back though this Bond's origin story is recent, and deals with events both during and after the Cold War.
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Glass Soldier
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Lone_Prodigy
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Remake of Goldeneye without Pierce Brosnan? Not sure if want.
Kibbles
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It'll probably play more like the original on the Wii which is good... I just hope it looks good too... it's a shame we were teased with the XBLA version so long, they finished it and tried getting Activision on board. Now Activision just took their idea, even the split screen online crap, and is making their own version? I really hope they don't screw this up. If they change and add a ton of dumb shit... =(
HungryHorace
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Nobody from the original GE team is at Eurocom. You can check this for yourself using LinkedIn if you don't believe me.Mr. Pointy said:
Not neccesarily a bad thing. That you can make a good N64 title, doesn't mean you can make a good current gen title.
Nope. Depends upon the contract.Suzzopher said:
My guess is that this will be unrelated to N64GE, it will borrow some elements but essentially be a new game based on GoldenEye & it's reason for existing is thus: It allows Activision to release a Bond game across all platforms without having to limit the technical scope of the PS3/360 version or the controls of the Wii version. Also, as the Bond films have grown 'darker' in more recent years, GE is a better fit for the Wii. That it cashes in on any residual Nintendo-GoldenEye association is a bonus.
boyshine
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I really hope they understand that the music and sounds are the perhaps the most important part of GoldenEye. The 'clunk' sounds from the Egyptian level, the mood and atmosphere from the Surface level.. when you think of a GoldenEye level you immediately remember the sounds and the music. Recreating the game without it would be meaningless and like "Re-Shelled" all over again.-WindYoshi- said:
speculawyer
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The Wii and DS? Really?
What a waste of an opportunity. Perhaps they had no choice since the original was N64 only.
What a waste of an opportunity. Perhaps they had no choice since the original was N64 only.
Mr. Pointy said:
Free Radical was only founded by members of the GE team (David Doak, Stephen Ellis, Graeme Norgate, Karl Hilton); they drummed up new talent to fill out the company. GE was only made by a dozen people after all, and those dozen were evenly distributed between Rare, FRD, and other places (Martin Hollis founded Zoonami by himself).
As to what they're doing now, Doak made a new company whose name escapes me with Ellis (I think?), while Norgate remains at Crytek UK. Dunno about Hilton.
Hero of Legend
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watkinzez said:
Pumpkin Beach IIRC.
Hopefully Activision/Eurocom actually had the sense to approach Martin Hollis at least as an consultant or adviser.