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San Bernardino Suspects Spoke of Attacks in 2013, F.B.I. Says
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SlickShoesRUCrazy
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That's not good.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Way to go, NSA
GoldenEye 007
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So after all of the mass spying they want to do against their own citizens (and so many readily bend over for), it was just another case of having easily accessible info already in front of them they didn't act on or do anything about or just got lost in the shuffle?
Sounds about right.
Sounds about right.
Dont forget to include DHS!
Bam Bam Baklava
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Doesn't say what medium they used.
entremet
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I could imagine it's pretty easy to get around NSA spying if you're not an idiot.
Uses code words and only discuss things in person, not over channels than can be spied--meeting and discussing things in person.
This is basic stuff that has been used by guerrilla groups for decades.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This should also serve as a reminder for people who are obsesses with ISIL right now. If it hadn't been them they supported on Facebook, it would have been the other group down the list. Until people can focus on the ideology there will be no real answer.
Yep. Bad enough that all that mass surveillance hasn't actually prevented anything, but the attacks that have happened were plenty discoverable without the NSA's tactics.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It takes a while to save up enough money for four guns, ammo, and pipe bomb materials.
Plus, she got pregnant and maybe didn't want to jihad her unborn child.
Clearly PSN
dave is ok
aztek is ok
That's why it took so long. PSN was down
The people who act like Islamic terrorism started with ISIS are so annoying. They also think that an American-led ground war in the middle east will stop Islamic terrorism, when it would only encourage it.
The Government screwed things up big time with this couple and people died. They acknowledge they knew they reached out to known Radicals who were in fact on lists but didn't bother to add them to any sort of watchlist or any other method.
FBI and others fucked up and people should be held accountable.
Other articles have mentioned that anti-terror operations led to arrests in the area they lived which likely spooked them underground
FBI and others fucked up and people should be held accountable.
Other articles have mentioned that anti-terror operations led to arrests in the area they lived which likely spooked them underground
Fenderputty
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They said on the radio this morning that they think there's the possibility that the two were connected to others and that more may be on the way.
The Jackdog
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Yes, we fucked up! Sorry everyone! We wont mess up again! We are listening to and gathering MORE information on you so we dont!
-The NSA
RustyNails
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Total indictment of mass surveillance apparatus.
says joe blow on the internet.
I'm not taking a stance either way, but you are hardly qualified to say this.
who is "they?" The government hasn't said that (that I know of), so it sounds like someone trying to stir things up.
The government likes to trot out vague threats being stopped. They haven't for mass surveillance because it hasn't stopped anything.
Not entirely. Besides the fact that there's no way to provide evidence of the number of similar attacks that may have been avoided, while there's clearly way too much data to proactively prevent every case, they do at least have the ability to go through these people's history and work towards being more effective in the future, whether that means in terms of acquiring actual targets or just improving their protocols.
When I first heard the news this morning, I wasn't happy about the reminder that they're clearly able to dig up detailed conversations for people not even on their radar (when much of the argument has been framed as "metadata is simply phone call destination and duration"), but if there's a place where it serves a purpose, it's here.
entremet
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Wouldn't that be because the program was classified in the first place?
It started in 2001 and only was revealed in 2013 by Snowden. That's 12 years, spanning two administrations.
I'm not for mass surveillance and I think it's a violation of the Constitutional right to privacy, but your assumption isn't ironclad there.
I recall during every election cycle during the Bush years the press conferences saying a number of vague threats being stopped because of surveillance and the Patriot Act. And a little digging from the papers said that these threats were just people talking and not actual threats.
Not really, weapons are incredibly cheap. I don't know what weapons they had, but a used ford fiesta is probably more expensive.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Sounds like the radio is talking shit. Great job on their part.
Which is it then? If you wanted then stopped in 2013 then it was just them talking and not actually threats.
Can't have it both ways
Fenderputty
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It was right wing radio that I was tuning into to see what they were talking about.
If they're spending however many billions on surveillance, I'd hope they can filter correctly and and follow up on actual credible threats. If they cant, their intelligence ain't actually all that intelligent and should be shut down.
NYCmetsfan
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Questions of mass surveillance aside. One attack isn't an indictment of the entire system. That's like saying a crime happening is an indictment of all of law enforcement.
It's impossible to stop all crime and terrorism.
Indeed. Especially a lone'ish wolf one like this. Nothing you can realistically do to stop these kind of things, Unless people are really up for internment camps?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i guess the better comparison is if law enforcement has never made an arrest.
if it isn't working at all, then maybe you should be investing in something else or doing something differently
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