To be fair, he was introduced in SE 1
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Secret Empire (Marvel) |OT| Hail Hydrox
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To be fair, he was introduced in SE 1
Did they really just
in Captain America #25?
My thoughts on this event so far:
Two issues to go. Can't wait for Generations!
vomit a huge deus ex machina
My thoughts on this event so far:
I was honestly curious when they announced that Cap went Hydra and that it wouldn't be an imaginary tale, a dream or altenate reality. Making him a bad guy in the long run can be a great concept. Then Marvel announced that Steve Rogers would go back to being goody-two-shoes Cap after Secret Empire, so why even bother? Shock value, I assume. And now they pull this shit. That inhuman literally vomits a cosmic cube shard with enough power to topple Hydra... ooooooook. Didn't Holo-Tony have a scan of the whole thing? Or show him the schematics to a fully-functional time machine or something like that? I don't see how one deus ex machina is more beliavable than any other.
Two issues to go. Can't wait for Generations!
It's probably going to suck so bad!
Rebirth, though. Hot stuff!
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
The literally spews
up a critical item needed to further along the plot
That is awful writing
If I can prevent someone from buying this garbage by spoiling it then I've done a service.
I'm still liking it - not loving it, and it's not great. But I'm liking it. It's a pretty middle-of-the-road event, honestly, when you take it in a vacuum - lots of big twists and turns and stakes and NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME! Then at the end of the day everything is pretty much the same and you forget 90% of what happened.
Like, I'd put it on the same level as Original Sin. Good art. Cool ideas. But it spends all its time spinning its wheels and ends up going nowhere.
Of course, the big problem is... all of the controversy and stakes and big idea pitches. Like, you made Captain America a Nazi! There were firestorms for months! And this is the best you can come up with? Something this forgettable? Something that's pretty much running on deus ex machina? Come on man, you dropped the ball there.
Captain America: Sam Wilson is a legitimately great book. And Captain America: Steve Rogers was a legitimately good pitch. And this just... isn't a good finish for them. When I look at Secret Wars - which took Hickman's Avengers run and gave it a fantastic, ambitious, inventive finale - I just get sad.
Honestly, this shouldn't have been an event. Make it a crossover. A lean six-to-ten issues, half of them in Sam's book, half of them in Steve's. Maybe tie-in some other books and make it a crossover on the same scale as Standoff if you really want to push it. You don't need to meander around in this cliche dystopia. Have it self-contained, make it clear that things are going to be fixed with Cosmic Cube nonsense, and tell an interesting story.
...
And you know what? I'm pissed we never got that big fight.
Like, Secret Empire #0 ends with Cap pulling the trigger on all these schemes he's been pulling. Like, holy shit! What a moment! He's evil! The worst just happened! A gut punch on a global scale! AND THEY SKIPPED IT! They squeeze like five pages into an FCBD issue and skip to the boring stuff.
Man, like I said, it's okay. But it could have been good. And that's the shitty part. I blame Hickman for giving me hope that events could be good.
Like, I'd put it on the same level as Original Sin. Good art. Cool ideas. But it spends all its time spinning its wheels and ends up going nowhere.
Of course, the big problem is... all of the controversy and stakes and big idea pitches. Like, you made Captain America a Nazi! There were firestorms for months! And this is the best you can come up with? Something this forgettable? Something that's pretty much running on deus ex machina? Come on man, you dropped the ball there.
Captain America: Sam Wilson is a legitimately great book. And Captain America: Steve Rogers was a legitimately good pitch. And this just... isn't a good finish for them. When I look at Secret Wars - which took Hickman's Avengers run and gave it a fantastic, ambitious, inventive finale - I just get sad.
Honestly, this shouldn't have been an event. Make it a crossover. A lean six-to-ten issues, half of them in Sam's book, half of them in Steve's. Maybe tie-in some other books and make it a crossover on the same scale as Standoff if you really want to push it. You don't need to meander around in this cliche dystopia. Have it self-contained, make it clear that things are going to be fixed with Cosmic Cube nonsense, and tell an interesting story.
...
And you know what? I'm pissed we never got that big fight.
Like, Secret Empire #0 ends with Cap pulling the trigger on all these schemes he's been pulling. Like, holy shit! What a moment! He's evil! The worst just happened! A gut punch on a global scale! AND THEY SKIPPED IT! They squeeze like five pages into an FCBD issue and skip to the boring stuff.
Man, like I said, it's okay. But it could have been good. And that's the shitty part. I blame Hickman for giving me hope that events could be good.
If Marvel had any sense at all they'd bend over backwards to get Hickman back into the fold. He elevated everyone else just by being there, his books were so good everyone tried to play catch up.
The bar is so low now, nobody gives a crap.
I'm in the same place, I'm still enjoying it, but there are definitely some crazy outliers happening... BP/Faustus being the absolute worst here. I'm not as upset by Barf... it felt like there was some hand-waving to say that WAS the actual last piece of the Cube rather than a mimicry? I might be misreading though.
Even though the Sam sequence was over wrought, it still hit some good notes for me.
I mean, this is the ultimate comic book schlock.
Last issue is literally ends with
Its all so corny and predictable, like
sudden change of heart. On the other hand, this is all super entertaining, in a bad movie kind of way.
I really wanted to see this costume:
Last issue is literally ends with
Hydra Cap in an Iron Man suit powered by an almost complete Cosmic Cube. Glad we get to see the costume from the cover
Odinsons
I really wanted to see this costume:
To the shock of no one...
(SPOILERS)
What am I seeing here?
Well yeah, but how? What's the explanation?
BoogieWoogie
Banned
To the shock of no one...
(SPOILERS)
I suppose there was no other way this was going to end but damn, that sucks.
At least they're finally putting him back into the old costume.
MehsterChief
Member
While the premise of the event was somewhat interesting, the last issues have been such a boring hunt for McGuffins... You'd think they would put their best writers on these events but somehow they also become incredibly boring around issue 3. And we all know how it's going to end: the good guys will win. Maybe one hero has to die, but he'll be resurrected within the week probably...
LordOfLore
Banned
Cosmic Cube.
The stupid thing about reset buttons is that there's literally no stakes involved. Anything they do in this event would have no relevance elsewhere... Which makes this book absolutely worthless.
I thought Nick Spencer was supposed to be one of their better writers. I've really enjoyed a lot of the stuff he wrote for Marvel - Ant-Man, Sam Cap, Superior Foes. This doesn't sound like as abject a disaster as Civil War II, not that CWII is a high bar to live up to, but I'm disappointed Spencer didn't do better.
Few writers do well with line-wide events
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I halfway think that Marvel may have changed the ending a little based on the blowback early on from the series of "Cap is a Nazi"
Mr. Poolman
Member
Marvel should have had the balls to do a hard reset after Secret Wars.
At Marvel I think Hickman is really the only person to have done it successfully and he managed to do it twice.
Yeah they'll never have an opportunity like that ever again, it was set up perfectly and everything. Feels like Marvel have just been coasting ever since the "All-New, All-Different" relaunch and they don't know what to do after they lost so many good writers to DC and Image. They've got a good chance of salvaging things somewhat with the Generations relaunch if they get the creative teams right.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Yep. And even the handful of events that can be considered good are almost always extremely divisive. Too much editorial pressure. I'm not super familiar with Spencer but I wouldn't judge any comic-book writer by their events.
To the shock of no one...
(SPOILERS)
I'm sure we're all surprised
Problem is Ms. Marvel got big and I'm sure rebooting that and Squirrel Girl would confuse readers. You can say they are separate universes. NOPE.
Memento Mori
Member
Secret Wars definitely, Infinity ehh. Infinity had some good scenes but I don't think Hickman's heart was in it. He even has Black Swan state on panel that the whole thing was pointless and not the real story.
The problem with Marvel isn't a reset, a lack of a reset, the changes to characters or any of that.
The problem is that they are hemorrhaging talent. They lost Hickman, Remender, King, Rucka and I'm sure I'm forgetting some over the course of a year. The people they have to fill those gaps are not up to the task and the product has suffered immensely.
The problem is that they are hemorrhaging talent. They lost Hickman, Remender, King, Rucka and I'm sure I'm forgetting some over the course of a year. The people they have to fill those gaps are not up to the task and the product has suffered immensely.
Absolutely. The best they have right now are
Aaron-writing Thor, most likely moving onto Avengers
Ewing-great writer, books are low-selling sadly
Ryan North-Squirrel Girl writer, best where he is. A+ comedy writer.
But that's about it.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I'd add Chip Zdarsky. Spectacular Spider-Man is the best Spidey book out there right now.
I liked his run on Howard The Duck. He's good with comedy too.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Zdarsky is on Spider-Man? I got check that out.
Yea they've given up on getting Slott off Spider-Man so they are just making new Spider books and sticking other writers on them lol.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Yeah, it's the first Spidey book I've picked up in years and I love it. Charming as hell.
Silver Surfer is good too. RIP Nova.
RedHoodedOwl
Member
Sam Wilson isn't going to defeat Hydra Cap and we're getting the scene from Superman II with Captain America facing Hydra Cap.
This is disappointing.
LucidMomentum
Member
So this is
K.
using the "Cap stuck in the Cosmic Cube" stuff that happened in Reborn, but as if it's from the perspective of everyone not in the Cube? And they made Hydra Cap?
K.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I for one am looking forward too that well deserved ass whupping
Me too. I've been enjoying the event and it even managed to retroactively make the events of Civil War II tolerable.
I'm sure there will be repercussions, but I'm hopeful that this sets the stage for a new age of heroism in Legacy.
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