While there are Muslims in Thailand, they worship in mosques, not Buddhists temples, so unless the sound bit is just labeled as generic praying, not sure why it was used. In fact, after the Zelda issue (and I believe another game used it as well), you would think devs would have looked into sourcing sound pieces from other places.
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SFV Thailand stage removed from store: Speculates BGM using "islamic prayer"
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ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Nearly 20 years later and people still haven't learned from Zelda.
here's a good video about the use of said sample in OoT
JonnyDBrit
Member
Yeah, fair point. So it may be less 'Muslims object to usage of islamic prayer in song', more 'Buddhists object to a temple based on their faith using a chant from another'. Or heck even just some employee at Capcom realising how off that was.
Reminds me of the Fire Temple controversy with the original version of Ocarina of Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blHw6C4Ax4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blHw6C4Ax4
It's not currently, but some GAF member will probably make it a real site now.
This seems to happen a lot. as others have said. 1) Why include it in the first place, and 2) Why on a Buddhist temple stage? That would be like putting church pipe organ music on the stage.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Most probable reasons:
1) They wanted some kind of background chant to give off a sacred air to the temple, for exotic appeal.
2) The devs (or at least, the person who sampled the audio) spoke none of the relevant languages involved here, and so couldn't tell something was wrong.
PadWarrior
Member
Didn't know about OoT. I assume the soundtrack was edited once it hit vc and the 3D remake?
pretty much
removed before launch, but after 1.0 went gold after the dev team was informed of the Islamic references in the sample used.
Has anyone ever tracked down where the stock sample originated from? Did someone create it just to troll uninformed music creators into using it for a track so they could receive backlash for it?
Kamina
Golden Boy
No it was removed during the N64 times still. The EU Versions didnt have the islamic prayer chants in the firetemple anymore.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Zelda
Kakuto Chojin
Little Big Planet
They never learn...
Kakuto Chojin
Little Big Planet
They never learn...
Kamina
Golden Boy
From what i know it was a stock sounfile which also has been used pre-OoT in a racing game's desert stage for example.
https://youtu.be/U34MFcJdGCo
PadWarrior
Member
Yeah, pop fiction (rip gametrailers) made a video about this sample's use in OoT, but yes others did find said sample
Kamina
Golden Boy
-shadow-
Member
Voice Spectral Vol. 1 I believe it was, I think it was on the Zelda Dungeon there were tracking down more different stock libraries.
Edit: I see I'm already beaten in this regard. And Zelda Universe I see ^^'
JonnyDBrit
Member
Second point. I mean, I couldn't casually identify an islamic prayer if I heard one, so it's not that hard to imagine someone not realising, so long as the file name of the source didn't literally read 'Islamic prayer' or some such.
sixteen-bit
Member
Capcom is always messing something up, lol
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Why would they use a islamic chant for a thailand stage?
Dark Ninja
Member
A company like Capcom is deathly afraid of any type of lawsuit. The smart thing to do is to pull it down as fast as possible before someone complains and put it back up when they fix it.
They probably hired some freelancer with some old ass royalty free CD's and sound samples to make the music like they do the characters I don't think SFV has any internal Capcom staff working on the art or music anymore, if they ever did some of the base game stuff was made by different outsource companies.
I just feel it's one of those phrases that immedietlly ring to mind even if you don't speak the language. If someone says "Allah Akbar!" even in a low voice it will send people running for the hills. Plus, I'm sure more than one person were exposed to this track.
No wonder I swore up and down that I heard the chanting, because I was spooked hearing it at first as a kid -- that memory is distinct enough.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Didn't this happen with LittleBigPlanet?
yeah, golds are 1.0, 1.2 would only show up later down the line after the 1.1 grey copies got through retail which had the chanting an gannon bleeding red
plasmawave
Banned
Totally forgot about LBP having the same issue.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Because nobody at Capcom knew it was one, the track name on the sample library is just 'track 76' and the name of the library is 'voice spectral vol. 1'
This mistake keeps happening for that exact same reason, a musician hears a nice sounding vocal sample and uses it for their work, not realizing that there's history behind that exact sample.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Cruisn World has it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFVLlz0oL4
Somehow they got away with it to my knowledge so i dont see why other games couldnt?
fog of obscurity, perhaps? deathsmiles got away with a zinger of a back of the box slogan
Kinda. They used an actual phrase from the Quran about death and it seemed the composer knew what he was doing?
Already answered above by someone!
Because who gives a fuck about Cruisn? Plus it was really, really old. Maybe if the internet was more widespread at the time it would have been picked up.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
It's absolutely okay to make sacrilegious things, and it's also okay for a company to avoid accidentally inserting sacrilege into a commercial product that is in no way intended to make religious or political statements.
Even if there's an argument to be made about how nobody SHOULD have a legitimate complaint about it on the basis of secular societal values, etc, Capcom really has nothing to gain by taking that kind of stand.
Leatherface
Member
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Gentleman Jack
Member
Cruisn' World's release predates OoT.
It is conceivable that the use of the sample in that game is what alerted Nintendo to potential controversy in the first place, but Midway's game is not Nintendo's game, so either it was more difficult to prevent future revisions/shipments of the game from containing that sample, or Midway's game didn't sell enough copies to justify a new release with new code.
In either case I don't think they 'got away' with it given the timeline and how they revised OoT.
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Starwolf_UK
Member
Like the pop fiction episode that totally has not been linked 25 times already said that OOT one is weird in that going by the ROM dates Nintendo had addressed the problem before the game launched but I guess they didn't deem it a big enough reason to destroy the carts (well given the supply problems they had in some regions and not wanting yet another delay I can see it not being a priority).
At this point I want to see them replace it with the same choir sample that the Fire Temple did because it's the same chant.
A mislabeled sample can endure for decades. How often do you hear something like this in the Jungle or a forest (Tarzan, Wizard of Oz):Übermatik;234793738 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ZbykXlg6Q
They don't live in jungles...