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Shenmue III The 1st Teaser | PS4
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Peroroncino
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No need to get so aggravated. Besides, wasn't the sole purpose of that campaign to measure interest [and it broke the fucking record on KS]? From what I gather they're getting support from third parties like Sony and Shibuya Productions.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
You gather wrong
Peroroncino
Member
Care to elaborate?
I'm not twisting his point. I'm making my own point, based on his statement. If they're almost exclusively using year-old footage in the first teaser, that doesn't exactly inspire confidence that much has been improved since.
Maybe a dev here can correct me, but wouldn't you want to show off your most recent build in a trailer?
I think the fear is that the developers may not actually progress too much beyond this due to resource limitations. This isn't a typical game production with a lot of oversight.
tensuke
Member
Tommy Wiseau presents: The Shenmue III.
"I did naht kill your father Ryo, I did nahht.
I remember it a bit differently. I don't think it set the world on fire but it was nothing compared to the unfortunate state it released in. Remember the leaked footage that looked better than the game did when it came out?
Either way I think a lot of people are forgetting the trajectory Shenmue III has had from the E3 reveal to today. The game didn't start getting developed in earnest until late 2015, and it took about until January 2016 for the prototype to take off properly once the initial hiring wave was finished.
Yeah.
Yakuza fans, I love you, but let's have a bit of perspective and try to have a more intelligent outlook about this.
IrishNinja
Member
*ding dong*
Gif delivery.
Gee it sure is a shame YSnet made these nice environments then decided to not improve any visual aspect of their game for the near year/year and a half before release, right guys?
Right...?
underrated post
amen!
yeah it's changed a few times so far, should've seen the papyrus take
They work on a tight deadline, not a tight budget, Yakuza 1 and 2 both had $10 million each for a budget. With Yakuza 3, IIRC, the budget was significantly higher as they needed to sell 500,000 units or there about to break even so we're probably looking at a budget of about $20 million, still 3 times what Shenmue 3 is! Also that Yakuza teaser was like... 6 months from the game's release, not a year and a half
(Yakuza 3 really is great, if that's where the series ended I'd have been fine with it haha.)
I agree they did have strange decision making in this trailer, they should have focused on the background art and finished it off with the cave scene because whilst yes, the models don't look great, the whole trailer wasn't horrible and some parts looked very good! Hopefully now with a decent publisher on board they can actually get some know how on what you should show and shouldn't.
allenpergallon
Member
Yeah, showing off the face-work as it was probably wasn't the best for optics but faces aside this little snippet looks really damn nice.
I really need to play 2 already.
Good Guy Gone Bad
Member
Facial animation and animation in general has a long way to go. Maybe it'll be fixed before release? Hopefully.
We've seen the "old build" excuse trotted out for many games when footage fails to impress so I'm not particularly inclined to believe it in this instance, but for arguments sake if it is true, why show year-old footage as a new trailer? Have things just not progressed in the past 12 months? Or do they think this is an acceptable level of detail for animation?
It'll be interesting seeing how things unfold...
At least their environment artists are doing an amazing job.
We've seen the "old build" excuse trotted out for many games when footage fails to impress so I'm not particularly inclined to believe it in this instance, but for arguments sake if it is true, why show year-old footage as a new trailer? Have things just not progressed in the past 12 months? Or do they think this is an acceptable level of detail for animation?
It'll be interesting seeing how things unfold...
At least their environment artists are doing an amazing job.
davidwhangchoi
Member
i finally see faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ryo!!!
It's been a while so this gif probably could do with being reposted:
See, this gif is why I'm not sweating anything about the unfinished work. Some parts are obviously more complete than others. Even this gif has incomplete facial animation and some of the lighting isn't properly built, but it's evocative of maybe what the final product could be like.
It's got a mood, it's got a style, the body animation is fluid, and the camera work is really nice.
I was gonna hold off on replaying it until a HD collection finally gets announced, but after today I've got the itch to boot up DEMUL and play until dawn.
See, this gif is why I'm not sweating anything about the unfinished work. Some parts are obviously more complete than others. Even this gif has incomplete facial animation and some of the lighting isn't properly built, but it's evocative of maybe what the final product could be like.
It's got a mood, it's got a style, the body animation is fluid, and the camera work is really nice.
Yes, you should.
I was gonna hold off on replaying it until a HD collection finally gets announced, but after today I've got the itch to boot up DEMUL and play until dawn.
Thank you pal.
Muskieratboi
Member
Hey, ysNet, maybe y'all should get some favors from Sega and borrow some facial animation/modelling peeps from the Yakuza team? Looks damn good otherwise.
Looks damn good otherwise. Game budgets with 100 mill can barely pull off face capture. What makes you think a game that forced Sega out of the console race would be on some next level standard?
Yakuza had Sega behind them. They already had employees and weren't forced to hire the entire team.They work on a tight deadline, not a tight budget, Yakuza 1 and 2 both had $10 million each for a budget. With Yakuza 3, IIRC, the budget was significantly higher as they needed to sell 500,000 units or there about to break even so we're probably looking at a budget of about $20 million, still 3 times what Shenmue 3 is! Also that Yakuza teaser was like... 6 months from the game's release, not a year and a half
(Yakuza 3 really is great, if that's where the series ended I'd have been fine with it haha.)
I agree they did have strange decision making in this trailer, they should have focused on the background art and finished it off with the cave scene because whilst yes, the models don't look great, the whole trailer wasn't horrible and some parts looked very good! Hopefully now with a decent publisher on board they can actually get some know how on what you should show and shouldn't.
Game development is VASTLY more expensive these days. So comparing a PS2 to a PS4/PC budget these days is a joke.
The Yakuza games could also reuse assets and ALOT of the groundwork...
There are still so many more reasons that your comparsion is shit.
But I won't bother as we already got more than enough info from Shenmueguru about the footage.
You appear to be aggressively arguing against someone that agrees with you about the comparison with Yakuza not being valid.
Eh mate I think you've got me confused with the other poster, I never made the comparison, just explained why just in budget alone Yakuza and Shenmue 3 is not comparable.
Iced Arcade
Member
Doesn't look good but at least they showed something.
Probably going to be fugly but gameplay will probably be tight.
Probably going to be fugly but gameplay will probably be tight.
I don't think showing this WIP footage is bad per se. The big mistake is packaging it as a full blown trailer, with the Playstation jingle at the beginning and the cinematic (but really bad) editing. It creates false expectations of seeing a professional trailer, which this clearly isn't.
This footage would have worked better as part of a Yu Suzuki presentation in Gamescom, shown as little clips with no music and stealthily uploaded for Kickstarter backers shortly after. That would have pleased the fans, and would have avoided all the negativity and backlash the game is going to get now.
I'm not deeply worried about the game, though. There's plenty of time left, and even if it ships like this it will have its charm, and I will be grateful it exists anyway.
But, for now, I want to think that the main difference between now and the time of the first Shenmues is the marketing department. Most of the developers and artists are the same, but surely 2000's Sega would have made a much smarter trailer...
This footage would have worked better as part of a Yu Suzuki presentation in Gamescom, shown as little clips with no music and stealthily uploaded for Kickstarter backers shortly after. That would have pleased the fans, and would have avoided all the negativity and backlash the game is going to get now.
I'm not deeply worried about the game, though. There's plenty of time left, and even if it ships like this it will have its charm, and I will be grateful it exists anyway.
But, for now, I want to think that the main difference between now and the time of the first Shenmues is the marketing department. Most of the developers and artists are the same, but surely 2000's Sega would have made a much smarter trailer...
Character models look rough. Honestly I'd be fine with Dreamcast-level visuals because they help to hide any imperfections in the models (and non-choreographed animations). I hope they can fix the models though.
But besides that it's still hard to believe this game is really happening and I very much hope it turns out fantastic.
But besides that it's still hard to believe this game is really happening and I very much hope it turns out fantastic.
Fuck. Got the wrong one.
I'm sorry about that. Gonna correct it later when I'm not on my damn phone.
Yakuza 1 was a ps2 game and has worse graphics and poly models than Shenmue 1 and 2 which were Dreamcast games.
Also Yakuza 1 doesn't have
Dynamic Weather system
Dynamic Day/Night Cycle
Free roam camera, and thus no rotating the camera since it's fixed angel.
And it pauses every time you walk like 10 steps
Yet people loved Yakuza 1 on PS2, despite it's technical shortcomings.
Also Yakuza 1 doesn't have
Dynamic Weather system
Dynamic Day/Night Cycle
Free roam camera, and thus no rotating the camera since it's fixed angel.
And it pauses every time you walk like 10 steps
Yet people loved Yakuza 1 on PS2, despite it's technical shortcomings.
Selling over a million copies (Shenmue 1) on a 10 million install base is pretty damn good. Then makes Shenmue 2 on dc for europe and japan when we know the dreamcast was failing. More like Sega's fault. Not to mention that ridiculous partnership with MS when you could have released Shenmue 2 on ps2 and give it a legitimate chance to succeed.
I won't go into the stuff about SEGA but, and I really am not 100% sure this is something that's publically out there or something told in confidence - but fuck it -, YSnet are apparently going to be using some facial capture rigs. Or at least were. Or something.
That one time you can see Shenhua speak the mouth movements look good, so, maybe they are, but obviously facial animation is a big, long job and we don't even know how deep into voice recording they've gotten yet.
They're literally not animated in some places.
Not excusing them for using that footage when they maybe shouldn't have, but... work in progress. There are areas like the fight scenes and the environments that obviously show they're not half assing it, but clearly not everything shown was ready for the public.
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Deleted member 80556
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I can't believe I gave 80 bucks for this.
I'm glad that they have improved a lot, and I know they'll improve many things before release. And even then, I think I can look past that when I'm considering that I'd be playing Shenmue freaking 3.
Seriously, I can't believe it!
I'm glad that they have improved a lot, and I know they'll improve many things before release. And even then, I think I can look past that when I'm considering that I'd be playing Shenmue freaking 3.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
This is really cool that it's happening and I hope it does well, but my god those faces...
Sweet Bellic
Member
Umm... probably a stupid question but the faces are going to move and actually look good in the final build, right? Right!?
professor denim
Member
Ahahahah
And, just like with the models, the saga of fans improving the official work begins. Look at this fanmade teaser from a user at NeoGAF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBx5k0KRIac
It has an small cutting error at 0:08, but don't you think something like this would have been much better? Maybe the problem is the marketing department after all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBx5k0KRIac
It has an small cutting error at 0:08, but don't you think something like this would have been much better? Maybe the problem is the marketing department after all...
Hey, ysNet, maybe y'all should get some favors from Sega and borrow some facial animation/modelling peeps from the Yakuza team?
Definitely don't expect Yakuza faces. Those are exceptionally high-end.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I still can't believe this is happening. Bless.
zeopower6
Member
Honestly it looks like they hadn't really put the finishing touches on the facial animation yet. If it was closer to release or something and still like this, I'd be worried, but this is WIP and all that plus nearly everything else looks great!
DeadbeatCassanova
Member
Amazing what some nice editing can do.
Of course if the official teaser was like this one people would be complaining that its too short/not enough gameplay footage etc....which would probably be better than the situation they are in now.