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Shining Armor And Fine Words... The Official NO MORE HEROES Thread
- Thread starter John Harker
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I've decided to not buy this game unless there is an option to play it like the japanese version. The over the top bloodiness just doesn't appeal to me at all.
It's not even self-censorship. According to Suda, he didn't think the game could sell in America without an excessive amount of gore, but that Japan and Europe could appreciate an action game for what it was. This is like anti-self-censorship.fresquito said:
AceBandage
Banned
Had it pre-ordered for a while, just waiting for the call.
Sp0rsk, I wonder what your opinion is on developers trying to do open-ended city gameplay and not "getting it".
The open world in here reminds me of AC (though with even less to do), as there's really no advantage of having it over a menu based "go to X location" map and it only disadvantages by wasting time driving to pick up a mission, then to the mission, then drive to the next mission pickup, etc...
In GTA it works because you can actually DO things in the city while going from location to location. You can steal vehicles, run from cops, kill people, fight gangs, etc... but in a lot of these new open-ended games they are more PC where you can't do anything particularly bad so instead there's nothing to do. In fact I'm actually surprised at how PC NMH is coming from Killer 7
yet in NMH
. In Japan's PC world these days where you can't even have decaps or blood open-ended GTA cities seem really pointless since the ratings board doesn't want to give you the ability to do anything.
Anyhow I don't think it hurts the game that much, just some waste of time and waste of potential, but it's weird how under-utilized it is.
The open world in here reminds me of AC (though with even less to do), as there's really no advantage of having it over a menu based "go to X location" map and it only disadvantages by wasting time driving to pick up a mission, then to the mission, then drive to the next mission pickup, etc...
In GTA it works because you can actually DO things in the city while going from location to location. You can steal vehicles, run from cops, kill people, fight gangs, etc... but in a lot of these new open-ended games they are more PC where you can't do anything particularly bad so instead there's nothing to do. In fact I'm actually surprised at how PC NMH is coming from Killer 7
killing anime girl with machinegun, decapitated girls head on floor, etc...
when I got to Shinobu I was wondering how Suda would handle killing a girl, let alone a high school girl....and he wimps out even though this is a brutal game about assassins and death
Anyhow I don't think it hurts the game that much, just some waste of time and waste of potential, but it's weird how under-utilized it is.
Bebpo said:
I when I played it I thought it was kinda setting the game up for sequel. Then again now that I think about it
He wimps out on the actual killing of Holly Summers
Vinnk said:
I actually think it might be against Cero to hurt women. Remember how they changed FFVI GBA so what's her name doesn't get punched? If you look at all the games coming out of Japan in the last few years you'll see that if a game wasn't anything but a Z CERO rating:
--It's ok to kill evil or old guys
--It's less ok to kill young hot guys (usually have to sacrifice themselves or something)
--It's perfectly fine to kill undetailed civilians
--It's not ok to kill, stab, beat, or have sex with women
--It's not ok to kill, stab, beat children
--It's ok to slice people
--It's not ok to decap them (I'm not sure what the latest rule is on other body parts like arms/legs)
--It's not ok to have blood shooting from humans (only monsters, see DMC)
--It's not ok to have nudity
--It's not ok to have sex
I hate CERO so fucking much. Japanese games have become ridiculously neutered and conforming compared to the US and slightly Europe.
Also I'm pretty sure in NMH
the first assassination ending, I'm pretty sure originally Suda had him swing across the neck and #10's head would fly off; but they couldn't have the decap shown so they just turned him to ash
Bebpo said:
You make a very valid point. I know this is a game not many are going to care about but I'd like to use the new Oneechabara game for the Wii as an example. Unlike the sest of the series, the game now has purple "Klingon-looking" blood. This was most likely done to keep the rating down to a "D". However you can cut off body parts in that game and when I played it at TGS I think I was even allowed to decapitate. Then again it may have changed a lot since then.
As for
that first assassination. Yeah, I agree. It looks like that cimitatic was changed. Also Holly Summers head just turns black rather than being blown off which actually looks really weird considering what she did.
If Cero Z games weren't treated as worse than Porn (porn is easy to find and buy at the same shops where Cero Z games are sometimes kept behind glass) developers would take more risks. As It is now a Cero Z rating is a death sentence unless you are an established franchise or a 360 game.
I'm actually going to import the US version to see what changes were made.
_Alkaline_
Member
zoukka said:
zoukka said:
They do the same in the Japanese version. It's still a great game. Then again the blood was never one of the selling points for me. This isn't Manhunt 2 where the only quality the game had going for it was gore. This is a solid game in it's own right.
I can understand peoples disappointment at the lack of blood, but please don't miss out on this game because of it.
Vinnk said:
I`m not gonna miss it out for the world... but still it`s fucking temptating knowing that the lack of cencorship would have not affected sales at all. This game is bought by HC-gamers, not the average kiddies.
Imagine Killer 7 censored
EDIT: In K7 some of the cut-scenes were very explicit. So is there some tampering in NMH cut-scenes too ? That would be much more serious than the in game censorship.
Lobster said:
Well i`ll be... then those dudes *poofing* up in some videos do the same in US-version I guess. But i`ve never seen any black blooded decapitation. But never mind this is a great day and a big releaf. It doesn`t matter what color the blood is, but changing animations and stuff is unforgivable.
John Harker said:
You're right John, Audio is working on Contact 2 and only that AFAIK. I just hope they make it much better than the first.
Bebpo said:
Thats a pretty sad letdown, man. I hated that about AC. Hated. But at least in this game it seems a lot more engaging as a whole.
Dascu said:
You just ruined my day
EDIT: Yes i confirmed this shit by watching the same Japanese and US trailer. Even the cut-scenes are censored. I don`t even want to think about the story elements where Travis brings the pain to the bosses.
And it looks REALLY crappy when Travis does his special moves like beheading, slicing vertically and they have these cool animations. Then the enemies turn to dust :/
I´m ready to kill someone...
I really really believe that the US version is going to have some cutscene differences (I mean even the introduction is different). And there are some thing in the Japanese version which just don't look right, and you can tell they were censored, and I don't expect that to be the case in the US version.
Also, why does Ubisoft have footage of the Japanese version on their US website for the game?
Also, why does Ubisoft have footage of the Japanese version on their US website for the game?
Vinnk said:
I'm really pissed at the censoring it not affects the in game kills but the cinematic
In fact on that first boss
his hands get cut off - in the EU version he just gets the sword knocked out of his hands
Vinnk said:
are you using a boot disc - if so which one? I need to play this game as Suda intended (are discussions about this banned I dunno)
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Dascu said:
Rising Star Games > Ubisoft
However its funny that RSC is a subsidiary of Marvelous, no?
And.... well.... they made toiletpaper... and uh....
Nicktals said:
I'm wondering the same thing. Unlike many NMH fans, I am buying this game largely for the blood. The visceral, explosive kills are a key element in this game's appeal, just like they were in Gears of War. They're not the be-all and end-all, and I'm not just enticed by the blood; but the difference in terms of sheer satisfaction between the Japanese/European kills and the NA kills is impressive enough to profoundly alter the gameplay experience for me. Whatever the reason for its inclusion, the graphic violence contributes significantly to the many and various emotionally gratifying elements of the game's design. I understand that the blood is of much less interest to most Gaffers who support this game, but I can empathise with those Europeans whose prior interest in buying NMH has waned just enough to kill a purchase. I would feel the same way.
AlucarD.eq
Member
i freaking hate been at europe this times.. like SSBB and No more heroes Im gonna have to wait so much.. .. freaking god...
Im gunna make a huge scene when i buy this game.
"You mean NO MORE HEROES has PORN?"
"NO MORE HEROES FOR THE NINTENDO WII? Well, i think i might just buy this NO MORE HEROES for the NINTENDO WII as it comes with free PORN."
"Hey lady i don't think your kid should know that NO MORE HEROES for the NINTENDO WII has PORN in it."
"You mean NO MORE HEROES has PORN?"
"NO MORE HEROES FOR THE NINTENDO WII? Well, i think i might just buy this NO MORE HEROES for the NINTENDO WII as it comes with free PORN."
"Hey lady i don't think your kid should know that NO MORE HEROES for the NINTENDO WII has PORN in it."
Scalpel Knight
Member
Pre-ordered and now fully hyped for this game.
Milabrega said:
They haven't sent out any announcements, and generally I thought it was mostly first party stuff?
A little sad they didn't put together an event for this, but I guess with their own product coming out the same time.
On the same hand, wonder why didn't promote Endless ocean either.
donkey show
Member
You guys will enjoy this game. I've put my preorder down for the US version even though I've ransacked through Bitter difficulty on the JP version. Awesome story, awesome action. I will admit the overworld is rather lame, but the action (and some of the mini-games) keep you going through. VAs rule too.
Dammit man. Suda himself has said several times already that he doesn't give a rat's ass about the censorship. Dammit dammit dammit. The man wants you to buy his game. You're not supporting him by these actions. BUY THE GAME. THEN BUY THE USA VERSION LATER. BUY ALL VERSIONS.zoukka said:
Dascu said:
First time is the most important. I`m heart broken, but some essential shit will be different on PAL-version. Who knows what atrocities and dirty stuff I will miss
And just like someone said, imagine Killer 7 mutilated like that.
I love Suda, but damn if he thinks he can piss fans in the eye and wait for us to praise him afterwards. FUCK THIS IS ANNOYING. NMH was my first reason to buy Wii...
Flesh is weak though. I`m not guaranteeing that I can control myself when NMH hits the stores. But we`ll see.
EDIT: Edited my avatar. I`ll let it be my silent monument for this blasphemy.
zoukka said:First time is the most important. I`m heart broken, but some essential shit will be different on PAL-version. Who knows what atrocities and dirty stuff I will miss
And just like someone said, imagine Killer 7 mutilated like that.
I love Suda, but damn if he thinks he can piss fans in the eye and wait for us to praise him afterwards. FUCK THIS IS ANNOYING. NMH was my first reason to buy Wii...
Flesh is weak though. I`m not guaranteeing that I can control myself when NMH hits the stores. But we`ll see.
EDIT: Edited my avatar. I`ll let it be my silent monument for this blasphemy.
It's not essential shit. Suda said it's not essential shit. So just buy the game and import the USA one later if you really want the blood effects.
I hope everyone is still checking the NMH blog every now and then. Be warned though, there are some spoilers present (pictures of the assassins).
Also, not buying NMH makes Little Jeanne cry.
Also, not buying NMH makes Little Jeanne cry.
Dascu said:
Do you have a link to his quote? I keep reading this on GAF, but I'd be interested to hear it from the horse's mouth.
I can well believe that it's possible he doesn't care that much, but at the same time...what else could he say? "Yep...two of the three territories are getting a whitewashed version of the NMH I wanted to make. Please buy it anyway."
Just my personal opinion, but there is no way in hell anyone will convince me that the blood is nothing but superfluous content added by a jaded Suda in order to increase North American sales. This is the guy who made Killer 7. In my mind, he spends his free time watching Ichi the Killer while jumping up and down on his couch and attempting to sing along to his Dead Kennedys vinyl collection which is permanently cranked to 11; while simultaneously squeezing tubes of wasabi paste into his mouth. He likes his torrential fountains of crimson people juice, and he's pissed The Man won't let him keep them in his game.
