brain_stew
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POWERSPHERE said:That's an idiots game for 2 months at least.
Fixed.
If you're buying a high end TV in 2010, then you're buying a 3D TV, whether you want to or not.
POWERSPHERE said:That's an idiots game for 2 months at least.
Schrade said:Do you see the yellow after images on your plasma?
Added video links for examples of what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_fXCW2rOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm63BEhHWUk
*** WARNING *** If you own a plasma and have never seen this before, it's probably better to not look because then you'll forever notice it. Kinda like how if you've never noticed tearing in games before and someone shows you what it is...you'll forever notice it.
JRW said:My vote would be absolutely Plasma. (Although its a shame they stopped making Pioneer Kuro's!) Ive had my Pioneer for 2 years and it destroys any LCD's Ive seen, especially when it comes to actual ANSI contrast ratio (mine tested 2,700:1),Black levels are to die for plus CRT style viewing angles, Zero gamma shift. No "bleeding" backlights (no backlight PERIOD).
I have my PS3/Wii/360/PC hooked up and its been by far the best TV Ive experienced to date.
Pioneer 5080HD:
Dark room test:
Cold-Steel said:Did any of you guys end up breaking in your plasmas?
I keep hearing on the AVS forum how you're supposed to avoid gaming for the first 100-200 hours or so and keep the brightness/contrast low.
Odrion said:The Panny G10 42 inch is $750 now.
Agh, I heard it's good except that awful black level bullshit.
What other kinda of plasmas should I look for around the $1000 price range? Everyone just says G10 or Kuro but the Kuro is dead and the G10 is pretty much broken.
I had a 5080HD before the 5020FD. The 5080 is part of the 768p HD series while the 5020 is part of the 1080p FD series. The 5080 was the FIRST generation Kuro. The comparable FD was the 5010FD, which was a 1080p first gen Kuro. The second gen Kuro was actually a massive improvement over the first gen.Buggy Loop said:I've got the 5020FD, but im having trouble finding where the 5080HD fit in kuro's timeline, is it an UK model? 8G? 7G?
commish said:I had to make this choice a few months ago. After weeks of research (yes, I over-research everything), I settled on an LCD.
Buggy Loop said:I've got the 5020FD, but im having trouble finding where the 5080HD fit in kuro's timeline, is it an UK model? 8G? 7G?
Cheez-It said:Let me guess. You have a bunch of windows in the room that will reflect, or your research skills are abysmal.
*edit: Jett, don't listen to the FUD. The people spreading it are likely paid, or psychologically trying to justify their purchase choices.
Buggy Loop said:I've got the 5020FD, but im having trouble finding where the 5080HD fit in kuro's timeline, is it an UK model? 8G? 7G?
kdash7 said:Hey guys im planning to buy a plasma tv.
Please tell me which is the best Plasma Tv(for gaming) i can get for around $1500? There are so many of them..please advise!!
brain_stew said:Don't buy now, whatever you do.
Linkzg said:Also, it's surprising to see people down on 3D; you just don't expect to see so many luddites on a forum all about gaming and tech and things like that. It may be more expensive, but if 3D actually does take off and become more meaningful in games, movies or whatever, it's better to be prepared.
Zapages said:My question is:
How is the TC-P42S1 as a computer monitor and for areas with bright sun light that changes during the day?
Cheez-It said:Avoiding the bleeding edge != luddite.
You will likely pay more, and get first gen tech that won't justify the price difference. Even if we're talking about something that might be standard in upcoming sets, the first gen likely won't be worth waiting for.
Squeak said:If you put a LCD and plasma next to each other you'll see that the plasma has a slight flicker, sometimes as bad as 50hz CRTs. I would be irritated by knowing that, even though I probably wouldn't notice it most of the time. LCDs have silky smooth and stable pictures even though their colours leave a little to be desired.
Justin Dailey said:I love my panny plasma (65v10). Only problem is playing god of war 1 left a little white image retention where the rage of the gods icon was. I'm sure it'll go away in time. I think I just rushed gaming too early (didn't break in the set). And to anyone thinking its because I have an old or low end set, it was panasonic's best screen of 2009.
Justin Dailey said:...it was panasonic's best screen of 2009.
vireland said:Flat out wrong FUD. What kind of crappy plasma were you comparing? All the Pioneers or Panasonics I've seen (and that's a lot) don't do this in any kind of perceptible way. If anything, LCD is the tech with the flicker on fast motion, especially. And yes, even the 120Hz sets still have the problem with fast motion displaying poorly. Plasma behaves most like a CRT with smooth motion an no frame judder (unless you're doing 2:3 pulldown with bad compensation, but that's another story).
vireland said:Flat out wrong FUD. What kind of crappy plasma were you comparing? All the Pioneers or Panasonics I've seen (and that's a lot) don't do this in any kind of perceptible way. If anything, LCD is the tech with the flicker on fast motion, especially. And yes, even the 120Hz sets still have the problem with fast motion displaying poorly. Plasma behaves most like a CRT with smooth motion an no frame judder (unless you're doing 2:3 pulldown with bad compensation, but that's another story).
Cheez-It said:commish:
I suppose I do overemphasize the importance of the difference.
Plasma IQ is objectively better than LCD, although situations such as bright, uncontrollable light sources or the need for a set under 40" might be better served with an LCD.
It's worth mentioning that most decent sets with either technology are going to be loved by their owners, and that the differences in the technologies aren't as large as some play them out to be.
I'm curious though... what research lead you to pick LCD? I ask because most knowledgeable people who do the research come to the opposite conclusion.
brain_stew said:Fwiw, I can definitely notice a slight flicker on my Dad's 2 year old Panny plasma. Its not as bad as a CRT (which at 50hz would drive me insane) but it was there nonetheless. I'm not talking about judder.
No I use the Cnet recommended settings. Nowhere near VIVIDvireland said:Mmmm....65V10. We wanted that, but it was on perpetual backorder for months at the time we were buying, so we had to finally settle for the 65S10.
We game a LOT and never had the persistence you're describing. Did you leave the video settings on factory? If you go to the video is is set to VIVID or STANDARD? VIVID is the factory setting and will roast your display. It should be standard with modifications to the brightness, contrast, and other options to make the video closest to natural.
commish said:Of course I would argue against plasma IQ as "objectively better" simply because that's just not possible. That's like saying one painting looks better than another. Sure, by some person's metrics, that's probably true. But what makes an image better for you doesn't mean that's what makes an image better for me. But really, that's not important to argue over.
vireland said:Then there's something wrong with the video he's feeding it or the TV. We have various ages of Panny plasmas and none of them do what you're describing.
brain_stew said:No, there's not, it does it on all sources and even in the menu and its not something that would be affected by source material anyway. I'm not surprised you don't notice it, most don't and no one else that has viewed the TV has ever mentioned it but then I've always been very sensitive to flicker. Its worth noting that we're talking about a PAL TV here, so it refreshes @ 50hz which definitely makes a difference.
Justin Dailey said:No I use the Cnet recommended settings. Nowhere near VIVID
3D will be backwards compatible. All 3D stuff (at least in BlueRay and PS3 gamin) will be playable in 2D.PJX said:Question about these 3D TVs. Will I have to wear glasses every time or just when a program is in 3D? For instance if I want to play with on 360 or Nintendo Wii, will have to wear the glasses or can I just play them without having to wear the glasses?
I have heard of people noticing a flicker. It's probably the PAL thing but does the phosphor luminance decay the same way it does on CRT? If that were true we'd notice it also on 60Hz. And why isn't everyone from Europe on avsforum complaining about this issue. Maybe it's some people's eyes being sensitive to some plasma panels.brain_stew said:No, there's not, it does it on all sources and even in the menu and its not something that would be affected by source material anyway. I'm not surprised you don't notice it, most don't and no one else that has viewed the TV has ever mentioned it but then I've always been very sensitive to flicker. Its worth noting that we're talking about a PAL TV here, so it refreshes @ 50hz which definitely makes a difference.
Besides the glare I can also see some people finding plasma picture noise annoying if they often sit really close. Glare and plasma noise does annoy me but LCD's inferior motion resolution and higher input lag for gaming is enough to keep me with plasma.Cheez-It said:commish:
I suppose I do overemphasize the importance of the difference.
Plasma IQ is objectively better than LCD, although situations such as bright, uncontrollable light sources or the need for a set under 40" might be better served with an LCD.
It's worth mentioning that most decent sets with either technology are going to be loved by their owners, and that the differences in the technologies aren't as large as some play them out to be.
I'm curious though... what research lead you to pick LCD? I ask because most knowledgeable people who do the research come to the opposite conclusion.
commish said:In the end, tho, I assume most people on here are gonna say that whatever they personally own is better
Wasn't the Z series the same screen/image processer thoguh? Ill look up those cnet settings later when I'm no on my phonevireland said:Mmmm....65V10. We wanted that, but it was on perpetual backorder for months at the time we were buying, so we had to finally settle for the 65S10.
We game a LOT and never had the persistence you're describing. Did you leave the video settings on factory? If you go to the video is is set to VIVID or STANDARD? VIVID is the factory setting and will roast your display. It should be standard with modifications to the brightness, contrast, and other options to make the video closest to natural.
Actually, it was one tier from the top. The Z series was the top of 2009's Panasonic line, but didn't come in a 65". A 54" screen was the max for a Z series.
jett said:I've been looking at Plasmas, but the phosphor lag thing seriously disturbs me. Is this just impossible for the tv companies to fix?
brain_stew said:Fixed.
If you're buying a high end TV in 2010, then you're buying a 3D TV, whether you want to or not.
jett said:I've been looking at Plasmas, but the phosphor lag thing seriously disturbs me. Is this just impossible for the tv companies to fix?
vazel said:I have heard of people noticing a flicker. It's probably the PAL thing but does the phosphor luminance decay the same way it does on CRT? If that were true we'd notice it also on 60Hz. And why isn't everyone from Europe on avsforum complaining about this issue. Maybe it's some people's eyes being sensitive to some plasma panels.
Besides the glare I can also see some people finding plasma picture noise annoying if they often sit really close. Glare and plasma noise does annoy me but LCD's inferior motion resolution and higher input lag for gaming is enough to keep me with plasma.
Squeak said:I never hear anyone complain about BL in the cinema...
yurinka said:3D will be backwards compatible. All 3D stuff (at least in BlueRay and PS3 gamin) will be playable in 2D.
vazel said:I have heard of people noticing a flicker. It's probably the PAL thing but does the phosphor luminance decay the same way it does on CRT? If that were true we'd notice it also on 60Hz. And why isn't everyone from Europe on avsforum complaining about this issue. Maybe it's some people's eyes being sensitive to some plasma panels.
Besides the glare I can also see some people finding plasma picture noise annoying if they often sit really close. Glare and plasma noise does annoy me but LCD's inferior motion resolution and higher input lag for gaming is enough to keep me with plasma.