Mr. Enigma
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Bukana said:
Yes. It's all been re-done.
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Silent Hill HD Collection's new SH2 voices revealed
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Yes. It's all been re-done.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
It could be worse. Soundtrack replaced by original korn tracks for that 'twist'y story now dubbed by each member of the band.
"In my restless dreams
I see that town
All day I dream about it
Yes all day I dream about...
Aallll day I dream abooout Silent Hill"
"In my restless dreams
I see that town
All day I dream about it
Yes all day I dream about...
Aallll day I dream abooout Silent Hill"
legacyzero
Banned
So basically they're getting screwed because of a technicality? Lame.
it cant be...
AnEternalEnigma said:
it cant be...
Typographenia
Member
If it was agreed upon, it's not really "getting screwed." That's just bad foresight on their parts.legacyzero said:
Oh yeah, I guess I should comment on the SH3 thing- Hooray for more early overreaction again?
I mean, the ONLY thing we've seen of SH3 at this point are those very unfinished screenshots and like 2 minutes of footage?
Heather is my favorite female protagonist. : (
You slap pillows?! YOU MONSTER!Bukana said:
LiquidSolid
Member
How the hell are they being screwed? They were paid money to do a job over a few days that anyone could've done (especially seeing as they were non-union voice actors). Do the programmers and artists that spent years of their lives get royalties? No. Then why the hell do a handful of voice actors deserve them?legacyzero said:
This is why Nolan North is awesome and Guy Cihi is an enormous, self-centred douche.
That's not uncommon with spec deals or points given to those involved in a production. Of course, you need incontrovertible proof of these things. Verbal agreements mean nothing.jett said:
To think actors shouldn't receive royalties for their work? Whoa. It happens all the time - depends on what their contractual agreements are.
SolidSnakex
Member
Yasae said:
Nolan North doesn't even think that voice actors should receive royalties. He said that it doesn't make sense for him to receive them when he has very little to do with the game in comparison to programmers that have a much bigger role. And Nolan is significantly more important to Uncharted than pretty much any other voice actor for other games.
legacyzero said:
Who's gettin' screwed? Your greedy guy who wants more money he doesn't deserve?
And don't pull the "fine, use my work for free", because he said that when the re-work was already done and he first intended to sue them. Nice publicity stunt though, "oooh he's so nice, he really cares about the game", gtfo.
"Hardcore fans" are so amazing, let's boycott our favorite series and support a douchebag who only did the voice over and wants more money for his bad work.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
MoonsaultSlayer said:
Hey you, hey you,
Alessa's little sister
Cheryl, Cheryl,
Twisted transistor
fabricated backlash
Member
shidoshi said:
That is actually a valid complaint. The original James VA, while bad and with terrible delivery was more effeminate, while this new guy sounds almost too "manly".
Still, the quality is better and should sound fantastic once edited into the final scenes.
LiquidSolid
Member
Could just be an attention whore.Erigu said:
Mr. Enigma
Member
Guy Cihi said:
Methinks Konami got scared by all the bad publicity and delayed the Collection to add the original voices as an option back into SH2 at least. No one seems to be giving a shit about SH3's voices being re-done.
SolidSnakex
Member
AnEternalEnigma said:
Or they just delayed it so that they can launch the 360 version with the PS3 version.
DukeTogo1300
Member
Guy Cihi said:
Finally someone at Konami with a brain noticed what was happening with this project.AnEternalEnigma said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I almost kind of wish that Konami would announce that Mary Elizabeth McGlynn was voicing everyone in SH2 and 3 now.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Interview with the guy who played Eddie too, soon every voice actor from SH2 will have talked about this, lol. He seems pretty cool and down to earth. They also mailed him asking to sign away his rights and then never replied him back like with Cihi, Konami seems amazingly professional.
But really read the whole thing, really good interview and he talks about lots of interesting stuff, like how he is still paid by Namco for tekken and how verbal agreements without contracts were normal.
http://silenthaven.tumblr.com/post/10688958680/interview-with-david-schaufele-voice-actor-for-eddie
But really read the whole thing, really good interview and he talks about lots of interesting stuff, like how he is still paid by Namco for tekken and how verbal agreements without contracts were normal.
http://silenthaven.tumblr.com/post/10688958680/interview-with-david-schaufele-voice-actor-for-eddie
Mr. Enigma
Member
Posted on the Facebook of Monica Horgan (original voice of Mary/Maria):
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Nice of her, but I doubt Konami will bother including the original VA.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
With no consequences and reestablishing the fanbase on the line, why not add them in if it's already delayed?Combichristoffersen said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
MoonsaultSlayer said:
Because it's Konami.
TheJollyCorner
Member
just add the goddamn voices in as an option, Konami. Jesus Christmas.
There is nothing to lose there. Nothing. Especially with Guy's crusade ending. All other VAs are falling in line and everything's fine.
New voice actors have recorded and been paid. They would be default. Troy Barker gets another great game on his resume.
An original VA option (this might be the only game I can think of where people legitmately want that
) would be a great way for Konami to prove to fans that they are listening. After all of this mess it would be a great PR win.
so yeah, all of that mentioned, of course it's not going to happen.
There is nothing to lose there. Nothing. Especially with Guy's crusade ending. All other VAs are falling in line and everything's fine.
New voice actors have recorded and been paid. They would be default. Troy Barker gets another great game on his resume.
An original VA option (this might be the only game I can think of where people legitmately want that
) would be a great way for Konami to prove to fans that they are listening. After all of this mess it would be a great PR win.so yeah, all of that mentioned, of course it's not going to happen.
Some of you are dense, it's too late for nice words.
And Monica Horgan shows us why is all Cihi's fault, he started it all with his intention of suing Konami for money and publicity. All the other voice actors were fine.
Obviously fanbase goes with him instead of going with the makers of the game, worst fanbase ever, better to lose it.
And Monica Horgan shows us why is all Cihi's fault, he started it all with his intention of suing Konami for money and publicity. All the other voice actors were fine.
Obviously fanbase goes with him instead of going with the makers of the game, worst fanbase ever, better to lose it.
Kikujiro said:
Actually, it's sort of Konami's again. They contacted him about the HD rerelease. He was aware of the previous rereleases and asked for more details and said he was happy to discuss. Konami never got back to him, so his whole "I'm gonna sue/nevermind, I just want the voices in" came after.
Konami really doesn't come away looking very well from any of this.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Kikujiro said:
Why is it dense to side with a man who simply expected what he thought was agreed upon during a (supposed) verbal confirmation at the time of his hiring and the consequent ignoring from his previous employer?
Anyone has the right to sue for monetary compensation they believe they've earned. The depths of that are determined by lawyers, obviously, but it's still a right.
Suing for money? Why the hell else would someone sue? Wouldn't you get upset if the compensation of a business agreement, verbal or written, wasn't honored?
A crap load of people have told us how things work in the VA industry; not just video games, but TV shows, films, commercials, etc. That's fine. It's the standard procedure.
However, Cihi shouldn't be blamed, IMO, for trying to be business savvy back in 2001 and trying to pull for future residuals, whether it was the industry standard or not. He went in to audition his daughter. He was a business man, not a "I've Done 70 Voices for Dragon Ball Z" voice actor. Why didn't a KCET rep tell him "sorry Mr. Cihi. We don't operate like that. Is that ok? If not, NEXT AUDITION PLEASE!"?
Horgan just pointed out, via her experience, that residuals for that line of work are unheard of. Troy Barker said the same thing, just in a more aggressive tone towards Cihi. As Horgan points out:
MonicaHorgan said:
It is my understanding Cihi had a verbal agreement with Konami to this. Any time Cihi attempted addressing this to KCE corporate he was disregarded or blackballed (even to the point of his image being blurred from the Making Of). This isn't some half-assed scheme he came up with when he knew remasters were coming out; this has apparently been an ongoing issue since 2001- again, refer to him being blurred out of the Making Of documentary. Why blur him out if Konami wasn't trying to avoid a verbal agreement of using his likeness without compensation? I don't think it's a stretch to believe they were aware of it at the time.
Where Cihi fucked up is that he didn't get it in writing. As a businessman he should know better, but to me that's his only fault in the whole issue.
He's always been great to his fans and it's not like he's some washed up junkie who is trying to extort money from a corporation to fund a heroin addiction. The man is a CEO of multiple companies.
And no, it's not too late for him to drop it and want the integrity of the original to remain for the fans. He could have pushed this further, but he's not.
To absolve Konami of their various shyster decisions regarding not just this situation, but many of their properties, is even more irresponsible. "Going with the makers of the game"? No, man. Imamura, Tsuboyama, Owaku, Yamaoka, Sato, etc. are some of the talented individuals that made this game. None of them even work at Konami any more (to my knowledge) and sure as hell don't have anything to do with Cihi's employment arrangements.
Konami delayed this release for upwards of 7 months. There is plenty of time for them to plug in an option for the original voices if they choose. It's not like the SH Collection disc is chock full of games or anything *ba-DISH!*
Worst fanbase ever? In the words of the great Cris Carter: "Come on, man."
Typographenia
Member
Jeremy Blaustein (a translator and supervisor for the english version of SH2, for those of you who don't know [I know you know that already, Jolly]) was taking questions on SHH recently. The last lines in particular...TheJollyCorner said:
I do recall there actually being an issue with Guy (or maybe more of the actors) only being paid half of what was agreed upon from when they initially finished the game, and I don't know if that was ever followed up on. Outside of that, it just seems like Guy has no leg to stand on in this situation.
: (Kikujiro said:
I know we're pretty bad sometimes, but we're not that bad! Are we?
Batman, thanks for the link, that was a really great read. I had no idea Eddie's VA was such a well-traveled and nice sounding guy.
It also appears konami took him up on his suggestion! Here's a photo from the face-to-face chat.
I have to, sadly, agree with Combichristoffersen about the original voices not getting added. I really, really doubt konami will be putting even an option for it in the game. It would be a pleasant surprise, that's for certain.
Typographenia
Member
There was some making of documentary that they made on SH2 (don't know who was specifically behind production for it), and Cihi's face was blurred out in the footage. As for why, shoot, I don't remember. Maybe there was already bad blood at that point, maybe it had something to do with them not wanting to clear it with him, or who knows what all. Probably just Konami being Konami. : \Erigu said:
Mr. Enigma
Member
Still doesn't answer why they blurred Cihi's face out.
AnEternalEnigma said:
As far as I remember, Konami execs found out he was a business man, not a voice actor, and they were super pissed for some reason. I think they thought henlied or he withheld telling them that he was actually pretty wealthy at the time. It was something dumb like that.
RadioHeadAche
Member
Just give me a release date, please. I'm in the mood to replay SH3, but I'd rather wait for this.
You guys are worried about the voice acting but I'm actualy way more worried about the quality of the ports themselves.
Literaly every screenshot we've seen has looked absolutely horrible, missing geometry and effects, lighting is botched.... It really looks like a complete mess honestly.
Literaly every screenshot we've seen has looked absolutely horrible, missing geometry and effects, lighting is botched.... It really looks like a complete mess honestly.
That's his opinion.SolidSnakex said:
And let's make no mistake - he's getting paid more than those programmers. If he's so noble, why not a cut in pay? He just said he doesn't get residuals. That means he charges a lot of money upfront.
See that's how it works. More residuals? Less upfront cost, and generally more income over a longer period of time. So what about programmers and artists? They almost always sign work-for-hire agreements where a corporation essentially owns all their output for a certain title. They would own their work and be able to file lawsuits left and right if they didn't agree to these terms. They don't have a contractual leg to stand on just like Cihi. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks is more important or less important.
Ah, but you didn't tell us why they don't. I just did.hsukardi said:
Moving on...
SolidSnakex
Member
Jangaroo said:
They actually re-released those same screens at TGS.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Fixed or....?SolidSnakex said: