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So what is the hardest boss in any video game ever?
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The last guy in Samurai Shodown VI was ridiculous. Even turning the difficulty to the lowest setting, setting it so I only had to win one round while he had to win five, I beat him ONCE.
I really suck at SS. I picked up the anthology for cheap since I always had a passing interest in the series, but it never really clicked with me and I never put in the effort to get better. Still! WTF!
rCIZZLE said:
It isn't even close to the hardest game series of this generation. Give me a break.
Edit - It's plenty hard for a game that has found some success with the mainstream, mind you, but part of the reason for finding that success is that the barrier doesn't extend as high as "most difficult game series this generation."
I've beaten X4 with both X and Zero,. It was tough, but at least it was doable. I was so proud, too. ^_^Josh with a J said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I65mRaqFTe4
These fuckers, on the other hand, can suck it. (Mega Man X6 first fortress boss)
linko9
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rCIZZLE said:
Trust me, it's not. It's understandable if that's the hardest series you've played this generation, as most popular games these days are cakewalks, but there are plenty of challenging games out there if you're willing to look. Also, I don't understand your NES comment. Are you suggesting that people who bring up NES games on a videogame forum are somehow "hipsters"? That's a bit of a non sequitur..
Trent Strong
Banned
Final boss in Metroid Prime.
linko9 said:
No I'm suggesting people always hate on the thing that's popular and since Demon's Souls has a lot of people calling it the hardest game people are quicker to disagree. If Demon's Souls was a relatively unknown game from an earlier generation and I brought it up I probably wouldn't have gotten the same response. Whoever quoted me was just begging for a response.
I can't really think of any harder current gen series. :\
Eaten By A Grue
Member
I could not beat him when I was a kid and I still cannot beat him at age 30.
*cries*
*cries*
The Sleeper in EQ is definitely the hardest boss Ive seen or read about. You only get one crack at him. If you wipe, he leaves the tomb and you can not try him again, as far as I know. People had to wait years and for a few more expansions to release before they could kill him. He took over 2 and half hours to kill and upwards of 200 people. I dont think he was supposed to be killed, but eventually gear, new skills and spells caught up to him and he was finally taken out.
twentytwo22
Member
It all depends on how difficulty is judged or determined. If difficulty relates to the number of times that you die, I think the Souls games would certainly be considered difficult. If it relates to how long you are stuck on something without being able to pass it, it might not be considered super difficult.
Also, yeah, the hipster crowd calling the Souls games "easy" is one of the most ridiculous criticisms of this generation. Do you realize how easy the shit is that most people are playing?
Also, yeah, the hipster crowd calling the Souls games "easy" is one of the most ridiculous criticisms of this generation. Do you realize how easy the shit is that most people are playing?
King of the Potato People
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Drkirby said:
Trent Strong said:
Wow I didn't know these were suppose to be hard, they were a breeze (every boss in Metroid Prime is basically an elaborate puzzle)
cpp_is_king
Member
Zertez said:
Let me introduce you to Absolute Virtue from FFXI. He originally had very vague spawn conditions. Not as bad as "one shot and that's it" but people didn't know how to do it so it was very rare to get him to spawn. But the developers eventually released more and more hints. Finally people could spawn it regularly, and still nobody ever got him below about 80% health. People would fight him for hours and hours only to have him use an ability that restored 100% of his health.
Fast forward about a year. By this time he had been fought plenty of times. One team beat him by exploiting a glitch where you could hide behind a wall where he couldn't damage you, but that was patched. Finally the development team released a video of them beating him, which supposedly "clearly demonstrated" a hint that players could use to expose his weakness. But either they lied or the hint was less than obvious because at least another year went by with people not being able to beat him. One team fought him for literally 24 hours and just made no progress at all.
This was about 3-4 years ago. I don't even know what the state of him is now, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to patch him to be beatable, but for years he was essentially unbeatable.
Like the hat?
Banned
Yellow car was a cheating bastard. You'd be winning every race, then all of a sudden you hear "bwoooo!" and yellow car is going twice as fast as youLevityNYC said:
twentytwo22
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cpp_is_king said:
Not to be "that guy", but Absolute Virtue's spawn condition was known all along. Everyone knew he was a chance pop after killing Jailer of Love within days of the patch adding these monsters in. However, he was so ridiculous that people would leave him completely alone after farming Love --- it wasn't even worth trying him. Nowadays, with the level cap increase, he isn't hard to kill, but nobody ever discovered SE's "secret" way of killing him at 75 (it is widely believed that SE was just being stupid and it was actually impossible).
cj_iwakura
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rCIZZLE said:
Go play Catherine's Axis Mundi stage.
Gentleman Jack
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Damn people aren't even posting the latest CAVE TFBs.
Spiritual Larsa
Zatsuza (Hibachi's megahard form) (starts about 1:30 in)
Spiritual Larsa
Zatsuza (Hibachi's megahard form) (starts about 1:30 in)
rCIZZLE said:
from this gen, off the top of my head, these games offer greater challenges than Dark Souls can:
Vanquish
Bayonetta
Ninja Gaiden II
Devil May Cry 4
Pretty much every 2D shooter that was released in arcades in the past half-decade (there are many of these)
The eight million IIDX games released since 2006
Dark Souls is very hard when you take into account how successful it was.
also why are you sighing on the internet
iconoclast
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Here are a few games that are much harder than either Demon's or Dark Souls:rCIZZLE said:
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Path of the Master Ninja + DLC missions on PotMN)
Vanquish (God Hard)
Catherine (Hard + Babel (solo))
Bangai-O HD (completing every stage)
Lost Planet 1 (Extreme)
Mushihime-sama Futari 1.5 (Maniac, Ultra)
Mushihime-sama Futari Black Label (God)
Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu 1.5 (Power, both loops)
Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu Black Label (Power, Strong)
Death Smiles (all rank 3, including EX stage)
Death Smiles Mega Black Label (rank 999, both EX stages)
Pink Sweets (1.00/Arcade)
Muchi Muchi Pork (1.00/Arcade, both loops of 1.01)
Espgaluda II
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Actually, statistically (and thus factually), pre-patch C'thun is the hardest boss of all time since no one managed to beat it.
It wasn't until three months later that Blizzard decided to patch it, because no one could ever beat it. So C'thun is the correct answer.
It wasn't until three months later that Blizzard decided to patch it, because no one could ever beat it. So C'thun is the correct answer.
Tylahedras
Banned
can't believe no one has mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O86nOBtLwM
It's like they designed him for a team fight then forgot to let you use your whole team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O86nOBtLwM
It's like they designed him for a team fight then forgot to let you use your whole team.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
wonderdung said:
Pretty sure it took them longer in time (if not pulls) for a guild to beat Yogg + 4 - it was that Korean guild that first did it I think. H Al'Akir 25 was tough to crack as well for more recent stuff, and of course, H Lich King 25 (pre-increasing buff) was pretty damn hard as well. And H Sindragosa was a cock block for a lot of guilds.
Those are just more recent ones though.
WoW is just good to pull boss fights from for these threads though, simply because there are so many.
revolverjgw
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Tylahedras said:can't believe no one has mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O86nOBtLwM
It's like they designed him for a team fight then forgot to let you use your whole team.
I had to restart my entire game because of this guy. I feared him after that so I made sure I grinded like a madman and the second time I got to him I wrecked him
bomb your way to victory in 20 credits or less!Sir_Crocodile said:
Josh with a J said:
Could never do it
Really? Not even with Zero? I thought the guy was only tough with X. Even with X the only tough part is the head on the left side - the trick is positioning yourself to force him to try blowing you into the spikes instead of using the rock attack.EmSeta said:
Tain said:
The sigh was just to mean I knew it was coming.
Anyways, I was able to go through Vanquish and Bayonetta pretty easily without ever touching a guide, something I was unable to do in either of the Souls games.
e/ I beat both Van and Bay on the hardest difficulties they offered when I first bought them and then Bayonetta again on the first difficulty level you unlock.
iconoclast said:
I don't count higher difficulties since you can still play through the game in easier settings.
Why was Demon's Souls such a horrible choice though that I get treated like someone who has never touched a controller?
madmaxx350
Member
That dude in Shinobi PS2... that boss was just stupid.
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, it's the optional Father Rodin boss from Bayonetta. If you think it's something else, you're wrong.
arglebargle
Member
im not sure its the hardest boss ever (esp since some of these look close to unbeatable), but i think the final boss (and probably the penultimate boss) in henry hatsworth and the puzzling adventure is really hard. i never finished that game because i was tired of all the ridiculous difficulty spikes throughout.
demosthenes
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Pandamoenium Warden, FFXI
iconoclast
Member
rCIZZLE said:
Oh I see, hard games aren't hard if you can play on babby mode.
Manmademan
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rCIZZLE said:
This all day long. without a guide the soul games get ballbustingly hard.
I used a guide for DeS the first time through for most of it, and went into Dark souls completely blind (save for posting in the official GAF thread here and there).
It's far more satisfying, but you'll run into shit that will one shot you every five minutes. (hey, Tomb of Giants sure is dark....#@$@!) and god help you if you get cursed and can't break it.
Manmademan
Member
rCIZZLE said:
..even if that's the case it's EXTREMELY unusual. And even on NG, playing in human form vs. taking the easy way out and playing as a hollow are two totally different experiences. The most careful plans go straight to hell when another player as good or better invades and comes gunning for you.
The game is legitimately difficult, but in a different way than Ninja Gaiden or a bullet hell shooter are.
Gentleman Jack
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demosthenes said:
I felt so bad for the linkshell that spent 18 hours grinding him down to his final form, only to get Astral Flowed and all adds repopping at 75%. On the bright side most of them permanently quit that awful game on account of that episode. Lots of folks permanently quit FFXI after Absolute Virtue 1.0 too.
I'm going to cheat, actual enemies in games are all in this thread, but what about Human players in multiplayer?
Jang Iksu: Korean GOD at Tekken Tag Tournament
Characters: Heihachi Mishima, Jin Kazama, Kazuya Mishima
I could say Daigo, Justin Wong, Alex Valle, etc. but no other competitive E sport player has ever reached a level of dominance as this guy did with the Original TTT. The other names I mentioned were defeated at one point or another, but to this day this man has NEVER lost a major tournament. This man then went on a tour to Japan going into numerous arcades and challenging anyone who had a name for himself, and proceeded ripping through anyone dared going up against him. He is the father on modern Tekken as we know it first discovering the backdash cancelling glitch (which is now the foundation of Tekken gameplay as we know it) and gave birth to what we know as wavedashing.
This is the only(VERY low quality) vid I could find of his reign of terror in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh53CvWUmY
He retired remaining undefeated
Jang Iksu: Korean GOD at Tekken Tag Tournament
Characters: Heihachi Mishima, Jin Kazama, Kazuya Mishima
I could say Daigo, Justin Wong, Alex Valle, etc. but no other competitive E sport player has ever reached a level of dominance as this guy did with the Original TTT. The other names I mentioned were defeated at one point or another, but to this day this man has NEVER lost a major tournament. This man then went on a tour to Japan going into numerous arcades and challenging anyone who had a name for himself, and proceeded ripping through anyone dared going up against him. He is the father on modern Tekken as we know it first discovering the backdash cancelling glitch (which is now the foundation of Tekken gameplay as we know it) and gave birth to what we know as wavedashing.
This is the only(VERY low quality) vid I could find of his reign of terror in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh53CvWUmY
He retired remaining undefeated
arglebargle
Member
iconoclast said:
i definitely think the ability to play on an easier mode makes the game less hard in some sense, since there may not necessarily be a right way to play. then again, you could always grind the hell out of demons souls and make that a cakewalk also. so i guess the hardest games are those without modes and that dont become easy if you grind.
I know all about Absolute Virtue. In its original state, people made progress on Absolute Virtue and the Sleeper wiped raid after raid with next to no progress. You could not do enough damage to the Sleeper before he wiped the raid. Several people ran numbers and it was pretty much impossible to do enough DPS to him before he overwhelmed the raid.cpp_is_king said:
I dont think the developers intended for players to kill the Sleeper and Absolute Virtue was meant to be killed, but had several bugs/roadblocks. Pre-patched Cthun is definitely up with the Sleeper. The raid had to play perfectly with zero mistakes and even then a run of bad luck, you would still wipe. I think eventually a guild would have pulled it off, but it would have taken a long time. MMO bosses should probably have their own category though, because there is many outside factors that can make them difficult or next to impossible even though the boss may not be all that tough.
mikeybwright
Banned
Tylahedras said:can't believe no one has mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O86nOBtLwM
It's like they designed him for a team fight then forgot to let you use your whole team.
Playing this game as a kid...I had no answer. Had to ask random kids at school and one finally told me about running away and using "yell" to boost speed. Took like 15-20 minutes of using "yell" to boost the speed high enough to have like 8 turns in a row. Never found another way to beat him.