Interficium
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PS2 continued to make Sony lots of money after PS3 came out, no reason to think that won't also be the case with PS4 and PS5.
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Sony FY2016 financial results (60 million PS4 shipped LTD)
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PS2 continued to make Sony lots of money after PS3 came out, no reason to think that won't also be the case with PS4 and PS5.
If your calculations are true then that's crazy. Sony may have a 2:1 lead in hardware sales but approximately 3:1 lead in revenue.
wapplew
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How many PS4 sold last year from NPD? Want to know how much of that 20M ship to NA.
2 new hardware plus a new revision.
2 new hardware plus a new revision.
Pro still sometimes has supply issues on Amazon or Gamestop here in germany. I believe it sold more than they expected
Interesting to note if the numbers are correct.
That is a pretty hefty gap between Sony and MS digital storefront revenue.
Another benefit of being a global system in effect.
Edit: Ah I see your edit bombshell! So Sony 3.3Bbn vs the MS $1.92bn.
That is more in line with the global 2:1 lead Sony has.
Thank you for updating.
OléGunner;234996673 said:
Whoops, rookie mistake. I used the FY2017 forecast number instead of FY2016 lol
Please see my post for updated calculation (please update your quotes).
The way I heard it - Pro was a "free" artifact of the process switch - ie. they had to pay that cost if they wanted to get on smaller node, taking the upgraded APU was just a side benefit.Inuhanyou said:
MS was in the same boat - but they had interests beyond process shrink, obviously.
PSVR wouldn't have had much of an effect on Q4. Also, it looks like the calculation was incorrect and is more in line with what I had in mind.
Melchiah
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That's what Shu also said, but since we have no figures it could be PR speak as well.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but with Sony predicting $4.5 billion PROFIT next year, they'll make about the same profit as Microsoft made this year, and what a company like MS usually makes? Surely that can't be right I though MS were 5X as big as Sony.
OléGunner;234996673 said:
My eyes just went to the rightmost column to find the newest number, forgot that was the forecast
Yeah, $3.3bn vs. $1.92bn revenue for Q4. It should be noted that the MS number includes all gaming ventures, XB1, W10 PC, Minecraft etc., so it's not a perfect 1:1 comparison.
Quarter versus whole year
LastMinuteHero
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KZObsessed
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According to ZhugeEX PSN once again generated more money than the whole of Nintendo. Quite a bit more.
Crazy. And 78million units by next March means easily 100 million LTD eventually.
ZhugeEX said:
Crazy. And 78million units by next March means easily 100 million LTD eventually.
RocknRola
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Amazing! Where is this from?
wapplew
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2 note man.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Really? MS make around $20+ billion profit per year? They're still a giant but Sony is getting back to where they were.
Edit: just checked, MS's profit each year/quarter seems to be third behind only Apple and Samsung.
Right, thanks for confirming that I'm blind!
So my calculation was not that far off. I got $3.3bn instead of $3.42bn.
Edit: Wait no, I got it exactly right: 381.8bn yen as stated in the report, that's $3.43bn like I wrote last page.
wapplew
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3.42 million is kinda low?
Hydrargyrus
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Awesome.
I thought it would be hard for they to reach the 60m mark, but they've did it
I thought it would be hard for they to reach the 60m mark, but they've did it
anothertech
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60 mil. Dam. Just over 3 years. That 100mil ltd is within reach easily. Gratz again Sony.
Xbone clearing 30 yet?
Xbone clearing 30 yet?
ethomaz
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You are right... It is just the rounding.Right, thanks for confirming that I'm blind!
So my calculation was not that far off. I got $3.3bn instead of $3.42bn.
BTW it is 5th slide in the presentation doc.
That is why it is billion and not million.
Fixed now... sorry.
LastMinuteHero
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I think he wanted to type billion
He put the decimal wrong place. It's 381.8bn yen.
That number is 2 years old. PS3 might be closing to 90 million right now.
anothertech
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Prototype Viktor
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Only 100 million by fy2018, too slow Sony
Sidewinder
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ethomaz
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yurinka
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They have a very strong 1st party line up for this year with sales from Horizon, a new Uncharted, a new Gran Turismo and maybe a new God of War. Same goes for the extensive 3rd party games with RDR2, Battlefront 2, etc and maybe the next AC.
They will sell a lot. Having released Slim and Pro this year obviously there won't be a revision next year. I think they may have a price cut in 2018, will release slimmer Pro SKU in 2019 and PS5 in 2020.
Devilgunman
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/20 millions shipped a year? Damn.
Psycho_Mantis
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FY13 = 7.5 million
FY14 = 14.8 million
FY15 = 17.7 million
FY16 = 20 million
FY17 (predicted) = 18 million
I'm curious if 2016 is really going to be the peak.
2nd year in a row iirc where PSN generated more revenue that the entirety of Nintendo.
FY14 = 14.8 million
FY15 = 17.7 million
FY16 = 20 million
FY17 (predicted) = 18 million
I'm curious if 2016 is really going to be the peak.
2nd year in a row iirc where PSN generated more revenue that the entirety of Nintendo.
DomsPlaying
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Yep! I just used USD figures reported by Sony for 2016 annual then subtracted each of the past 3 quarters based on the investor relations library below, the Game & Network Services figure I saw was: $3.03 billion.
Sony Annual 2016: $14.73b
2016Q3: $5.325b
2016Q2: $3.167b
2016Q1: $3.208b
2016Q4: $3.030b
Very close to yours, so that calculation is accurate just depends on the exchange rate you are using.
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/er.html
Edit: I just saw the actual 2016Q4 figure quoted was ¥381.8b or $3.42b in the slides below. But good to have sanity check too, but mine was a bit different due to older exchange rates ;-)
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/16q4_sonypre.pdf
gundamkyoukai
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Very good for Sony .
They going for 18 million this year .
Still they might be able to get 19\20 million depending on price drops and USA BF and xmas sales.
They going for 18 million this year .
Still they might be able to get 19\20 million depending on price drops and USA BF and xmas sales.
Jigolo
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That's crazy considering what's happened to the Japanese market.
What is PS3 even selling these days? Certainly not at a rate of 5 millions in 2 years.
wapplew
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Growth on emerging market offset decline of Japanese market, the only explanation.
Asian and european markets grew enough to offset the downfall of japan.
Wasn't Germany alone close (or even bigger) to Japan now?
Mr. Pointy
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Price cut the PS4 to $199US in the middle of FY2018, watch as it rockets past 100 million sold.
Risk Breaker
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I think it may have to do more with hardware production costs dropping. Maybe?
why would they, it's selling like pancakes