Woa, why are you being so defensive, they are just being informative and helping ppl that are being mislead by the PS4 Pro 4K buzz.
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Sony says PC, not the Xbox, pushed it to create Ps4 Pro
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Woa, why are you being so defensive, they are just being informative and helping ppl that are being mislead by the PS4 Pro 4K buzz.
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Gonna agree the HDR part is more impressive, but I think that's due to the 4k not really being 4k.
Native 4k is stunning!
Ploid 3.0
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Hopefully the next engine Bethesda makes for their games work for modding on all platforms.
I just want them to move on from Gamebryo. Spend some money to make a better one. It's earned it's worth, you too Telltale (did they upgrade yet?).
It is a stupidly flawed logic they are pursuing. Games are what bring people to your console. Just bumping the Specs on the PS4 is not going to suddenly change that.
You bring people and convince them to stay with the GAMES. People inevitably wander in the later years of a console generation because the flow of new must haves shifts to sequels and ramp up for next gen meanwhile things like PC continually get new games no matter how old or young the generation is.
You want to slow the bleeding you create content not just throw more power at the same content.
You bring people and convince them to stay with the GAMES. People inevitably wander in the later years of a console generation because the flow of new must haves shifts to sequels and ramp up for next gen meanwhile things like PC continually get new games no matter how old or young the generation is.
You want to slow the bleeding you create content not just throw more power at the same content.
So it should actually be $400 + $1500 or whatever a proper 4K HDR capable tv costs to enjoy the "very best and very highest". And that's on top of the old console and tv.
Not true at all I've been a console gamer over 30 years I care about graphics. More importantly I care about games I wanna play. The most powerful PC in the world Doesn't have the exclusives I enjoy. So this is perfect for me Better graphics with the games I wanna play.
I think his understanding is a bit flawed. Most people don't go to PC for better graphics, just look at the most played PC games, none of them are about high end graphics. It's more about freedom and do what you want where you want how you want and pay less for everything, better fidelity comes with it but it's not the end of it.
Those looking for cutting edge graphics are unlikely to be satisfied by pro either way as there is a huge gap right now between affordable cards people buy like 1070 and a pro.
I like the system and the idea but I'm not sure they are targeting the right audience here. They should position it as the main PS4 and their main offering and play down the old model and phase it out slowly, not some elite product that you as a average consumer/console player might not need or should not care about.
Those looking for cutting edge graphics are unlikely to be satisfied by pro either way as there is a huge gap right now between affordable cards people buy like 1070 and a pro.
I like the system and the idea but I'm not sure they are targeting the right audience here. They should position it as the main PS4 and their main offering and play down the old model and phase it out slowly, not some elite product that you as a average consumer/console player might not need or should not care about.
NintendosBooger
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So what does this mean?
That they're going to keep chasing PC specs and release new hardware every 2-3 years? They can kiss my ass with that nonsense.
That they're going to keep chasing PC specs and release new hardware every 2-3 years? They can kiss my ass with that nonsense.
This.
Sure, anyone that wants good hardware goes PC, but it's more than that. They go because they have a library that spans multiple console generations and have services that allow them to buy, play, and keep games from years ago and they know they'll be able to play them years later.
So you care, but don't actually care.
But they are getting the gamez
Allowing a higher-end PS4 allows PC devs to delve with PS4 Pro without making a ton of sacrifices that they would need to if they were considering porting to PS4/Xbox One, so yes that absolutely makes sense.
Ploid 3.0
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Remember the thirst for PS4 and Xbox One before they launched? The millions of views on the PS4 reveal. Imagine how many PS3 Pros they could have sold in the middle of it's life. There's demand for more power. It would be stupid if they dropped PS4 normal, and forced everyone to move on to PS4 Pro, in a way that 3DS upgraded from DS. Some games work on PS4, but some games requiring PS4 Pro, that would have sucked. I doubt they put too much resources into this, and everything should be compatible, and maybe even help PS VR. It all seems good to me.
Nah, he's right. Just because they accept minor mods for FS doesnt excuse the stupidity they are doing to Skyrim mods.
They still have to get it on the original PS4 so it does nothing for them.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I think there a little truth and a little bullshit here.
The truth is there are some people who mid gen get frustrated with middling console performance and get itchy feet to upgrade.
But it's far more likely that mid gen, you have experienced pretty much all a platform has to offer and start looking at what the competition is offering.
Far more people do the latter than the former and the PS4 pro is a neat way to keep these people interested in PlayStation.
The truth is there are some people who mid gen get frustrated with middling console performance and get itchy feet to upgrade.
But it's far more likely that mid gen, you have experienced pretty much all a platform has to offer and start looking at what the competition is offering.
Far more people do the latter than the former and the PS4 pro is a neat way to keep these people interested in PlayStation.
QuantumSquid
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I plan on playing my games on PC at 1080p for at least the next 2-4 years. What does that make me?
vpance
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Some people go to PC for better graphics. And that's the target, at $399. Can't cover all the bases.
AudioEppa
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I'm cool with everything about pro except one thing. How long until PS5 shows up?
What's the point of dropping another $400 when in the next 4 to 5 years they're probably going to be asking for even more money to have a real big generation upgrade.
I just feel like PS4 Pro is with the OG4 would have originally released as. Like maybe gen 8 started too soon. Maybe I'm thinking way too deep on this..
What's the point of dropping another $400 when in the next 4 to 5 years they're probably going to be asking for even more money to have a real big generation upgrade.
I just feel like PS4 Pro is with the OG4 would have originally released as. Like maybe gen 8 started too soon. Maybe I'm thinking way too deep on this..
qa_engineer
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Yet nearly all discussions about PC vs consoles are centered around graphics, all other aspects are minor in comparison.
Andrew House said that before E3 too, why is it just news now?
The fact of the matter is, they wanted to increase graphical fidelity and visual fidelity in general, both to take advantage of 4K screens, make the difference between higher PC visual settings and console settings more equal, and get people to upgrade to a new box, while selling it at a mass market price.
That's a lot of checkboxes, but they managed to do it somehow.
Seems pretty simple.
The fact of the matter is, they wanted to increase graphical fidelity and visual fidelity in general, both to take advantage of 4K screens, make the difference between higher PC visual settings and console settings more equal, and get people to upgrade to a new box, while selling it at a mass market price.
That's a lot of checkboxes, but they managed to do it somehow.
Seems pretty simple.
Does the higher-spec'd version suddenly vanish? For example, a person watching a 1080p 60fps video of BF1 thinks of going PC. Same version is available for PS4 Pro, he just upgrades to PS4 Pro.
Unknown?
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Not really when you consider The Order and Uncharted 4 were made on a 1.8 TF system. It's not running an OS like Windows therefore it's different.
Conkerkid11
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Giving console gamers the best performance by keeping the shit framerates and only appealing to the small fraction of those who actually own 4K TVs.
Yuuuuup
Yuuuuup
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30fps is high performance?
Kssio_Aug
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And that's an interesting point, cause you're right.
Everything console developers have been doing is based on PC, they realize it or not. Allowing you to record games, stream videos, use 3rd party apps, etc. Everything is an attempt to do what PC has been doing for a long time, and way more efficiently.
That's true, but it is fairly obvious.
We already knew Sony wasn't getting rid of generations, and the point of the NEO is not to be that new generation device, and that 2019 was most likely the PS5 launch date even before we caught wind of the Slim.
They upclocked the CPU, so your still getting higher performance as well as better graphics and fidelity than the base model
SuperSonic1305
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I built my first gaming PC in 2010 so he's absolutely right.
LelouchZero
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Pushing for image quality on a console is great! The PS4 Pro is exceptional value!
Too bad that it seems that some of the console's capabilities are being held back by it's CPU and the original PS4 though.
Graphics are also not the only thing that drives people to PC Gaming, but it's interesting to see that they view PC Gaming as a competitor.
They've been really open and supportive of PC Gaming for a long time.
They have the product officially announced now and releasing soon.
Too bad that it seems that some of the console's capabilities are being held back by it's CPU and the original PS4 though.
Graphics are also not the only thing that drives people to PC Gaming, but it's interesting to see that they view PC Gaming as a competitor.
They've been really open and supportive of PC Gaming for a long time.
They have the product officially announced now and releasing soon.
Paasei
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People who want to push the maximum out of graphics and performance will buy a PC regardless, so it's a weird statement.
I have a PS4 only for the exclusives that come out on it. Those are simply games I would never want to miss.
Also, a higher resolution doesn't cut it for me. Would rather see devs focus on 1080p 60fps.
I have a PS4 only for the exclusives that come out on it. Those are simply games I would never want to miss.
Also, a higher resolution doesn't cut it for me. Would rather see devs focus on 1080p 60fps.
righthandmouse
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For people who don't have a capable pc, yes. What other option is there?
I'm already buying a new TV in the next year so yeah that's a given and I'll be spending more than that. I don't need the beefy PC rig as much more of my time, my girlfriends, and my friends and family time is spent on front of the TV. I plan on getting a really nice one so I'll probably just get the PS4 Pro. It just makes more sense in my situation as so far I'm impressed with what I've seen. I'm waiting for reviews and more opinions on things like how loud it is which is often a sticking point for me as the PS4 can get loud quick!
blastprocessor
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It's because the console was midrange to begin with, it wasn't going to stretch like last gen.
Tallshortman
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Well yeah we were hearing these leaks long before scorpio was announced.
johnnydrama
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This seems counter-productive.
Yautja_Warrior
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Despite mostly upscaled 4k games (apparently native 4k in a few games is possible) the 4k upscaling method used (internal resolution higher than 1080p then upscaling to 4k) is very effective and gives great IQ, so for £349 / $399 it doesn't seem all that bad really.
So what if most games aren't native 4k ? I mean games like Horizon and Tomb Raider still look great and better than 1080p by quite a bit when using the Pros upscale method and the end result I see on the screen is all that should matter.
So what if most games aren't native 4k ? I mean games like Horizon and Tomb Raider still look great and better than 1080p by quite a bit when using the Pros upscale method and the end result I see on the screen is all that should matter.
There's a absolute misconception that console gamers don't care about Graphics. I remember being blown away by Mario coming from Atari. What I'm saying is Multiplats isn't enough to draw me to PC.
Graphics don't mean much if I'm missing the games I wanna play. So if I can play Horizon with better graphics I'm all in.
Bornstellar
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Vital Tundra
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And yet most games won't even attempt 60fps, something likes included in "performance".
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The quote was "highest"
overclocking a jaguar CPU a bit isn't going to help all that much.
Again, the only option for performance and fidelity is PC, the only option. If it doesn't matter, by all means buy a PS4.
If you expect any console to give you 60fps in the modern era as a general target, you'd better sit down cause i've got news for you.
And as we already know, 4K TV's are not the only TV's that significantly benefit from Pro, but its now a narrative so i guess its easier to parrot
chillybright
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That's true, but if we're talking about the highest end experiences in console land, Pro has that all to itself for 12 months, so they can essentially keep saying that until Scorpio comes out.
Remember that devs can have the option to design their games as they want. TR Pro is getting a definitive edition like mode at 1080p for example, as well as an 'ultra PC settings' like mode aswell. So its not as cut and dried to say that its a fluff statement.