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Square Enix's new plan: Eidos focus = online games; Japan accelerating work on phones
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That does not change the fact that it is one of the deepest FF in the entire series. It is also the most dynamic one. As the game evolved, it became as symbolic of a 'Final Fantasy' as possible with offline iterations.
Where's the proof? Except cashing in on FFXIII development done before their change of direction, where has their console commitment been? Unless KH3 and FFXV is an absolutely huge success, they are done.
Hey guys, I've been out of the thread for a few hours, did the discussion get any bett--
Nevermind. Carry on.
Nevermind. Carry on.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
You mean the game that takes 5 hours to start a battle?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
PshycoNinja
Member
If you buy FFXV, you can explore this locale.
Oh FINAL FANTASY XV... how badly we your gaming fans need you to come out.
I think so many people want to set the expectation to be disappointed by FFXV because they want to set the bar low for the game so it CAN exceed their expectations, as backwards as that sounds. However my expectations don't move because I am hyped. My expectations have always been: "Be better than XIII". I am sure it will clear that bar.
Like I have always said before, I love Shakespearean literature and plays. I am a big fan of looking at the inside of monarchies like in The Tutors. And I love FINAL FANTASY and dark fantasy. I also trust Nomura implicitly. Mix all that together with a more than capable writer and team and you have me sold.
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Just a beautiful looking game! (Not a scan or has watermarks from what I can tell)
More like run along controlled roads that don't let you explore the locale, if the way they handle KH is any indication.
I messed around with the demo to KH3D, and you could pretty much fly anywhere in the level ...
PshycoNinja
Member
I dont know... I see a pretty large city. Why make a mini map like that if you cant walk around it?
Also KH3D and BbS and big winding levels that made them feel like actual towns and such.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
That is really underwhelming. Those sections look so barren and nothing like the other sections shown.
No way will they let you freely walk around anything that will resemble this when the game comes out. It will be very controlled and scripted. The other screen with the mini map can be just smoke and mirrors. If they have that much of the city planed out why not show off more then a few set pieces. Going by that video you posted the open exploration looks very barren. It looks like filler for the next set piece scripted sequence.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Oh FINAL FANTASY XV... how badly we your gaming fans need you to come out.
I think so many people want to set the expectation to be disappointed by FFXV because they want to set the bar low for the game so it CAN exceed their expectations, as backwards as that sounds. However my expectations don't move because I am hyped. My expectations have always been: "Be better than XIII". I am sure it will clear that bar.
Like I have always said before, I love Shakespearean literature and plays. I am a big fan of looking at the inside of monarchies like in The Tutors. And I love FINAL FANTASY and dark fantasy. I also trust Nomura implicitly. Mix all that together with a more than capable writer and team and you have me sold.
Edit:
Just a beautiful looking game! (Not a scan or has watermarks from what I can tell)
This game's pretty much gonna either restore FF to former glory, or kill it off for good.
Wolf Akela
Member
Handhelds are dead.
Eidos is dead.
Eidos is dead.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Because they ARE barren? Plus, they were from an older build. The texture, the lighting, the fidelity and object placement will only improve from there and some. Essentially I posted it to address your previous remark about 'running along controlled roads'.
Oh okay, screen with the minimap is smoke and mirrors. Who cares if it's shown in the damn screen. It's just smoke and mirrors. My eyes are deceiving my brain. Thank you Genius.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I so can't wait Lightning Returns to be released so that we would FINALLY see how large the overworld of FFXV would be.
But nevermind, it's all going to be smoke and mirrors. My bad.
But nevermind, it's all going to be smoke and mirrors. My bad.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Nevermind.
PushTheButtonMax
Banned
I really could have picked a better time to start getting in to Dragon Quest.
Atraveller
Banned
What a shame.
PshycoNinja
Member
Because they only have 3-4 minutes to get across the basic premise of the game and gameplay while also making it look like an exciting game. They are not at a stage in marketing where they can explore the entire city. It would be pretty weird for them to show a video of just exploration of the game before a main trailer. Let's not play dumb.
Also the "barren exploration" that was back in 2010 and was a technology prototype for the game. The 2011 trailer showed much more "world map/zones" exploration.
Don't put the cart in front of the horse.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Go_Ly_Dow
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I get a Dragon Quest VIII vibe.
This on PS4 = :0
PshycoNinja
Member
And that footage was recorded in late 2010. Imagine how it looks now on PS4. :O
I missed this slide:
It seems SE went from an expected loss to an expected profit during that period, thanks in part to ARR and higher than expected sales of console titles in NA. From my very sleepy vantage point, this is pretty good news: SE having lowered their expectations for these products implies a newfound realism, but also a loss of faith in the non-mobile/browser sector; so while that's a mixed sign, it's still nice to see SE beat expectations for once, and more results like this could possibly pull SE toward a better equilibrium (especially considering they seem highly reactionary to trends right now).
We'll see how long this lasts. (Frankly, right now, my mental faculties are too dim to fully comprehend what "this" even is.)
I can't wait for us to get something substantial about this game. A more confident (less scripted) trailer that showcases an ambitious scope, depth of interaction, and a general FF vibe would do a lot to change the narrative around SE, I think.
It seems SE went from an expected loss to an expected profit during that period, thanks in part to ARR and higher than expected sales of console titles in NA. From my very sleepy vantage point, this is pretty good news: SE having lowered their expectations for these products implies a newfound realism, but also a loss of faith in the non-mobile/browser sector; so while that's a mixed sign, it's still nice to see SE beat expectations for once, and more results like this could possibly pull SE toward a better equilibrium (especially considering they seem highly reactionary to trends right now).
We'll see how long this lasts. (Frankly, right now, my mental faculties are too dim to fully comprehend what "this" even is.)
I get a Dragon Quest VIII vibe.
I can't wait for us to get something substantial about this game. A more confident (less scripted) trailer that showcases an ambitious scope, depth of interaction, and a general FF vibe would do a lot to change the narrative around SE, I think.
Relax dude. That was my first post in this thread so calm down.
The reason why I said it could be smoke and mirrors is because they have only shown us closed set piece areas. Nothing so far shown shows us that we will be able to explore huge areas freely. I commented because the video you posted to prove that there is open world elements was very empty and lifeless.
I'm browsing on mobile so I didn't see the date the video was posted.
This is a game that was announced before the PS3 even came out. So who knows how far along in development it is. Going off what they shown at E3, it doesn't look like open world exploration will be a focus of this game. It looks like a very guided experience.
Showing off some exploration wouldn't have taken that long, 5-10 seconds max. The fact that they chose not to show that off suggests to me that exploration isn't a priority for them.
PshycoNinja
Member
In their defense they were showing off a boss fight. (Every part of the gameplay in the trailer in that water city (Accordo) was apart of the Leviathen boss battle)
Anything shown in Lucis was an area in front of the castle fighting iron giants, soldiers and behemoths.
I think expiration is hard to show off. They tried to show it off in the 2011 trailers but it just seemed like a bunch of open areas that Noctis was running through. There are open areas and it is a focus of the design so don't worry.
Set pieces are in every FF and it's something to be expected. IV-XIII have all had these moments. Saying they are showing set pieces doesn't mean anything bad. What you are saying is what everyone else (including me) is saying, "we want to see more". But I am not jumping conclusions about what the game has and what it doesn't have. Because the devs have said its in, the evidence points to the fact that it's in, so I really don't think it's something to be worried or get upset about.
Synless
Member
I believe this was taken when the game was still on PS3. It should look way better on PS4.
Allay your fears. Nomura said it will be an open world.
I suspect neither of us played the handheld KH games, but if you played KH1 and KH2, you probably have your misgivings about level design from KH2. However, I think level design in KH1 is great; if they do levels like KH1 as opposed to KH2 (given the answers regarding the handheld entries I think they might), then you have less to worry about.
Pyrrhus
Member
I would be interested to know if he considered FFX to have an open world.
Good point, but from what I understand it won't have a world map.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
KH1 level design is indeed better than that of KH2, but unless I have mistaken, FFXV is supposed to be more like taking the world map from the PSX era FF and transform them into an overworld that is reminiscent to the likes of DQVIII/FFXII/Xenoblade, that is a world map is to scale with our characters rather than top down view.
How is an RPG any more shoe-horned on a smartphone than it is on a console? Go pull out a DM Guide and dice and play RPGs as they were intended.
SE is doing fine with their smartphone plan, and they will continue to do so, frankly I don't care if they stop their releases to the US, that's their right, the US ain't the center of the universe, they do not need to cater to us.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Maybe it will be like Xenoblade where if you want to go somewhere you can likely go there. Even if it is out of your way to do so and holds no relevance whatsoever.
@PsychoNinja: FFXV looks like it has all the elements of a an excellent FF, and we have not seen that imo since FFIX (and to some extent FFX). The only problem that it is not giving me either hope or hype is that there has not been a single trailer showing off the game in its true form. The trailer shown were all target renders, hence, proper gameplay has not been revealed yet. That, and we do not know the what the story will be exactly, as there are not trailers with regard to that.
Thing is, this is the most FF I have been hyped about, and wanted to play it ever since 2006. But given that we still haven't seen any concrete gameplay videos, and they are this long down the road makes me weary whether this game will be great or not. Don't get me wrong, I really want this game to do well, but SE's past history does not allow me to know that I will get an excellent product in my hands.
Thing is, this is the most FF I have been hyped about, and wanted to play it ever since 2006. But given that we still haven't seen any concrete gameplay videos, and they are this long down the road makes me weary whether this game will be great or not. Don't get me wrong, I really want this game to do well, but SE's past history does not allow me to know that I will get an excellent product in my hands.
RPGCrazied
Member
I think its time for them to sell off the FF ip an concentrate on iOS stuff if that is what they want to do.
Shogun1337
Junior Member
No, PS3 footage. Sigh...
Uncle Ulty
Banned
Couldn't even give us the friggin FFVII remake before they decided to go belly up!!! Well I mean we will get it on iOS im sure.
I'm not too optimistic about them being about to make a world on that scale with the level of detail that the hopeful are probably frothing for. In the end, someone will complain that it is big and void of things to actually do, so I actually don't mind if they make the levels more cozy.
For instance, Traverse Town is amazing in KH1, with many hidden secrets and passages that connected the areas to each other in different and interesting ways. Personally, I wouldn't mind that the levels are smaller if the designers are clever with them.
Uncle Ulty
Banned
Well most people don't care how well Squeenix is doing if they aren't putting out quality console games. Glad you do.
PshycoNinja
Member
Maybe. That's what the people have demanded. Maybe if you "go there" there will probably be chests and items if you actually go around the city. Maybe side quests are spread about the city too.
The bolded is FUD that has been perpetuated by ill informed people.
That being said I agree with most of what you said. I believe at worst we will get a solid game and nothing more. However I have absolute faith in this team and Nomura. Toriyama had terrible vision and didn't know how to lead the team as clearly evident in the postmortem he wrote for XIII.
Nomura has always known what he wants in his games and knows how to go about making that happen. He pushes his teams to do the very best.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And maybe like in Xenoblade you'll get EXP for just going there.
PshycoNinja
Member
Could very well be that case as FFXIV does the same thing.
I speak and read japanese, have an iphone, and buy their games. What's good for them is good for me. I approve of their reaffirmed dedication to the platform. Sorry you don't.
Hollow Bastion is still the pinnacle of level design for the series for me.
Oh...oh YES. I've said this for awhile (on other forums) but no one ever seems to believe me.
KH1 had actual levels.
KH2 had set-pieces for shallow combat and terrible cutscenes.
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