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[luxsol]

Nah. You just sound like you're taking my observation personally. I did bold 'generalized consensus' for a reason. There's plenty of evidence to back up my observation.

There's plenty of evidence to back up my observation

Yeah, by ignoring the actual criticism and saying "fans" as being at fault because "expectations" and by pointing toward movie critics basically saying "it's a summer flick" on why it's not a bad movie.
Great.

I mean, just look at this shit:

The Last Jedi is a film of moments. There are perhaps a half-dozen of them: goose-pimple inducing, fist-pump encouraging, heart-racing bursts of cinematic satisfaction. The problem is that the narrative threads connecting them are lazily knitted and sometimes tangled or broken. The overall plot is underwhelming and there’s far too much padding, especially during the first hour. There’s a sense that Johnson is giving busy-work to certain characters while others are catching up. The Last Jedi is a great 105-minute movie stretched too thin.

It's simply too long at two hours and 36 minutes – and sometimes too damn much. The screen is so crowded with character and incident that you might need a scorecard to keep up. But the way Johnson, who's slated to direct three more Star Wars films with unfamiliar characters, balances the skyrocketing action with tender feeling keeps you emphatically in the game.

I really like this one

As in The Force Awakens, the Star Wars recombinator is in full effect, serving up rejiggered elements aplenty from the original trilogy. The devoted will no doubt be delighted; for the rest, a resigned acceptance may be the safest path to enjoyment.

And then another reviewer says

This isn’t a nostalgia trip through another film’s highlights, à la the franchise reset J.J. Abrams offered two years ago

Hilarious.

 

[DreadfulOmen]

I couldn't blame him for being mutinous when the acting commander had no communication skills and he thought the whole resistance was going to die.

The whole communication problem part is a cheap way to cause conflict in the movie.

 

[cubicle47b]

The whole communication problem part is a cheap way to cause conflict in the movie.

It usually is. It pulls me out of movies/television shows when that happens.

 

[plasmawave]

I think Jeremy is right that Finn and Rose's "romance" was the worst romance in SW history including the prequels.
Think about that.

https://youtu.be/-A9rYcBmBFo?t=369

 

[DreadfulOmen]

Oh I'm sure they can send Finn and Rose on an hour long journey to get some spare parts for the falcon or something

And then we have the final showdown between Rei and Kylo I guess.
And if Rei trains for like...a week she is going to destroy him since she is already the most talented force user of all time

But what's the point? Rey already kicked his ass twice, do we really need to see her beat him up again?

 

[cantona222]

Oh I'm sure they can send Finn and Rose on an hour long journey to get some spare parts for the falcon or something

And then we have the final showdown between Rei and Kylo I guess.
And if Rei trains for like...a week she is going to destroy him since she is already the most talented force user of all time

Lol. That was good.

 

[caffeware]

...

 

[RiccochetJ]

Just got back and I'm mixed. Some parts I really enjoyed and other parts I disliked immensely.

I'm now very curious why the rebels don't just take one of their frigates or corvettes and just jump to lightspeed into anything the First Order throws at them. Because that looked insanely destructive. Didn't it take out the capital ship and like 15 star destroyers?

Also what the hell was that Leia floating in space thing? I don't have a problem with the fact that it happened, but more the aftermath. There were no questions from the people who witnessed it, nor any sort of follow up to it.

Edit: Got my Star Wars and Wolfenstein "Orders" mixed up.

 

[xRaizen]

Just got back and I'm mixed. Some parts I really enjoyed and other parts I disliked immensely.

I'm now very curious why the rebels don't just take one of their frigates or corvettes and just jump to lightspeed into anything the New Order throws at them. Because that looked insanely destructive. Didn't it take out the capital ship and like 15 star destroyers?

Also what the hell was that Leia floating in space thing? I don't have a problem with the fact that it happened, but more the aftermath. There were no questions from the people who witnessed it, nor any sort of follow up to it.

Welcome to the question that breaks everything in Star Wars

"Why didn't they just lightspeed jump a corvette into the Death Star/Starkiller Base?"

Theoretically even an X-Wing at that speed would cause massive amounts of destruction to a planet.

 

[BizzyBum]

Welcome to the question that breaks everything in Star Wars

"Why didn't they just lightspeed jump a corvette into the Death Star/Starkiller Base?"

Theoretically even an X-Wing at that speed would cause massive amounts of destruction to a planet.

Why can't people just take it for what it is, a cool scene. Instead we have people complaining it's not theoretically possible for it to happen in a science fiction movie and that it "breaks the lore" or some nerdy shit like that.

These movies were never really thinkers.

 

[luxsol]

I'm now very curious why the rebels don't just take one of their frigates or corvettes and just jump to lightspeed into anything the First Order throws at them. Because that looked insanely destructive. Didn't it take out the capital ship and like 15 star destroyers?

Why didn't the transports just jump to lightspeed when they had the chance, considering the First ORder still thought they were on the capital ship?
Why didn't they use any of the other ships jump to light speed to go buy ship fuel and come back?
Why didn't the fleet just jump to light speed in different directions if only one ship was capable of tracking them?

I like how in the original trilogy it just made it sound like it'd be messy for just the ship crashing into something in light speed, but now it's apparently worse for whatever got crashed into

 

[RiccochetJ]

Why can't people just take it for what it is, a cool scene. Instead we have people complaining it's not theoretically possible for it to happen in a science fiction movie and that it "breaks the lore" or some nerdy shit like that.

These movies were never really thinkers.

I thought it was a cool scene and I enjoyed it. It was on the drive home where these thoughts creeped in.

It could have been a simple line such as, "We've put all our power into the thrusters and batteries! Our shields are not at full capacity! They can't deflect a lightspeed jump!"

Eh, for all I know, that scene is in there for the eventual extended edition and for some reason hit the cutting room floor.

Heh at the nerdy shit comment. You're on a videogame forum in a thread about Star Wars. I'm not entirely sure what you were expecting.

 

[Moneal]

Just got back and I'm mixed. Some parts I really enjoyed and other parts I disliked immensely.

I'm now very curious why the rebels don't just take one of their frigates or corvettes and just jump to lightspeed into anything the First Order throws at them. Because that looked insanely destructive. Didn't it take out the capital ship and like 15 star destroyers?

Also what the hell was that Leia floating in space thing? I don't have a problem with the fact that it happened, but more the aftermath. There were no questions from the people who witnessed it, nor any sort of follow up to it.

Edit: Got my Star Wars and Wolfenstein "Orders" mixed up.

why would they question it? Everyone knows she is the sister of a legendary Jedi hero so they wouldn't question her doing something like that. It was just Leia's use the force moment no real reason to follow up on it.

 

[RiccochetJ]

why would they question it? Everyone knows she is the sister of a legendary Jedi hero so they wouldn't question her doing something like that. It was just Leia's use the force moment no real reason to follow up on it.

They just automatically assumed that she had the capability and knew how to use the force? No question if she's a Jedi as well?

There were so many opportunities in this movie for them to question what they saw and why she didn't use her apparent force powers to alleviate a situation.

 

[Master Nairb]

I'm trying to remember a scene towards the end of TLJ where Finn and Rose are being captured by the First Order in a squad Bay filled with hundreds of Storm Troopers. At one point, Captain Phasma actually states that lazy line I've seen in so many movies, "We're not gonna execute you by just shooting you, that would be too easy."

Then something explodes and somehow, miraculously, every single stormtrooper in the squad bay has been killed; yet Finn and Rose are the sole survivors. I swore that happened, but my friend is arguing with me that it didn't happen. Does anyone remember?

 

[Atrus]

I'm trying to remember a scene towards the end of TLJ where Finn and Rose are being captured by the First Order in a squad Bay filled with hundreds of Storm Troopers. At one point, Captain Phasma actually states that lazy line I've seen in so many movies, "We're not gonna execute you by just shooting you, that would be too easy."

Then something explodes and somehow, miraculously, every single stormtrooper in the squad bay has been killed; yet Finn and Rose are the sole survivors. I swore that happened, but my friend is arguing with me that it didn't happen. Does anyone remember?

That happened. This is just before and after vice-admiral Laura Dern rams her ship at lightspeed. The good guys escape a nigh inescapable situation that armoured soldiers could not.

 

[Freshmaker]

I'm trying to remember a scene towards the end of TLJ where Finn and Rose are being captured by the First Order in a squad Bay filled with hundreds of Storm Troopers. At one point, Captain Phasma actually states that lazy line I've seen in so many movies, "We're not gonna execute you by just shooting you, that would be too easy."

Then something explodes and somehow, miraculously, every single stormtrooper in the squad bay has been killed; yet Finn and Rose are the sole survivors. I swore that happened, but my friend is arguing with me that it didn't happen. Does anyone remember?

Not quite. Phasma and some of her guard managed to survive as well. They went off to go march in formation across the room or something.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Holy shit a thread discussing the latest Star Wars movie only managed to garner 7 pages in here?



On topic: I like TFA way more than TLJ, it seems like the latter is too often sacrificing logic just in order for it to be "subversive", it's annoying.

 

[Dunki]

I think Jeremy is right that Finn and Rose's "romance" was the worst romance in SW history including the prequels.
Think about that.

https://youtu.be/-A9rYcBmBFo?t=369

Wait these 2 have a romance? WHY? Ok given I have not watched any new star wars movie yet but just looking at material of them makes it pretty clear that there is no chemistry/they do not fit each other at all. When I saw the first trailer of force awakens I imagined Finn and Ray together and nothing else.....

So glad I did not watch any of these movies after listening to the Half in the bag discussion...

 

[Grinchy]

I'm trying to remember a scene towards the end of TLJ where Finn and Rose are being captured by the First Order in a squad Bay filled with hundreds of Storm Troopers. At one point, Captain Phasma actually states that lazy line I've seen in so many movies, "We're not gonna execute you by just shooting you, that would be too easy."

Then something explodes and somehow, miraculously, every single stormtrooper in the squad bay has been killed; yet Finn and Rose are the sole survivors. I swore that happened, but my friend is arguing with me that it didn't happen. Does anyone remember?

Not only did it happen, but any tension the scene could have had got thrown away when Rose had to get in her dumb line with something like, "Need a lift?"

Everything's on fire, there could be enemies with guns still lurking about, but let's make it a failed comedy for the 10th time because we'd hate if the viewers felt any semblance of tension.

 

[ShodanMAN]

Holy shit a thread discussing the latest Star Wars movie only managed to garner 7 pages in here?



On topic: I like TFA way more than TLJ, it seems like the latter is too often sacrificing logic just in order for it to be "subversive", it's annoying.

Exactly this.

The movies overwhelming desire to be subversive at every possible moment is its downfall. This movie is the anti 'Force Awakens' to the extreme, which is why it's a poor second chapter of a trilogy. It doesn't build on the first film, it dismantles it.

 

[opoth]

Not only did it happen, but any tension the scene could have had got thrown away when Rose had to get in her dumb line with something like, "Need a lift?"

Everything's on fire, there could be enemies with guns still lurking about, but let's make it a failed comedy for the 10th time because we'd hate if the viewers felt any semblance of tension.

Star Wars was always about injecting levity into serious situations. Think about the Death Star escape/trash compacter scene in ANH. Sorry that you can't watch Star Wars through a child's eyes anymore.

So much hyperbole about this movie over headcanon blowing up peoples brains. My only real issues with this movie is Leia Poppins and that Canto Bight is the soft middle that could lose a 5 minute trim. I get the point of learning from failure, but that's a lot of movie to dedicate to failure.

Anyone calling it "worst Star Wars ever" was either 5 years old when they watched the PT or permabaked from 1999-2005. Get a grip people.

 

[Nikana]

Why can't people just take it for what it is, a cool scene. Instead we have people complaining it's not theoretically possible for it to happen in a science fiction movie and that it "breaks the lore" or some nerdy shit like that.

These movies were never really thinkers.

These movies have such a rich lore because it had "rules." If you start braking the rules for absolutely no real reason, such as a woman flying through space, then literally anything can happen creating boring lore that lets the hero never die and become invincible.

The force isn't a super power.

What if Captain America started breathing fire? Should people be ok with that since it's just a movie and he's a super hero?

 

[kunonabi]

These movies have such a rich lore because it had "rules." If you start braking the rules for absolutely no real reason, such as a woman flying through space, then literally anything can happen creating boring lore that lets the hero never die and become invincible.

The force isn't a super power.

What if Captain America started breathing fire? Should people be ok with that since it's just a movie and he's a super hero?

It's funny that Lucas, who isn't a man of restraint by any means, made it a point to not turn the Jedi into superheroes but everyone else since is just going nuts with their powers.

 

[caffeware]

It's funny that Lucas, who isn't a man of restraint by any means, made it a point to not turn the Jedi into superheroes but everyone else since is just going nuts with their powers.

I think they are going the xmen route: anyone can have powers and everyone expresses it differently. No need for training...

 

[dragonyeuw]

I didn't know how I felt about this movie when I walked out last Thursday night; 6 days later and I still don't know how I feel about it. I will say, I left the theatre not sure where they're going with the storyline. Which, on one hand, one could argue that's a good thing but I'm just not anticipating episode IX right now. This movie ended with a strange air of finality to it; Rey with the Resistance on one side, Kylo and the First order on the other. Ok....what now? Other then tying up the Rey/Kylo loose-ends and ( I guess) the First order meeting its comeuppance, there's really not a lot to look forward to. TLJ spent a great deal of energy unpacking TFA, and now the director of the TFA returns for IX to unpack TLJ. Will be interesting to review this trilogy as whole in a few years when its done, the tale of two directors' visions.

 

[bufkus]

These movies have such a rich lore because it had "rules." If you start braking the rules for absolutely no real reason, such as a woman flying through space, then literally anything can happen creating boring lore that lets the hero never die and become invincible.

The force isn't a super power.

What if Captain America started breathing fire? Should people be ok with that since it's just a movie and he's a super hero?

who defines these rules? star wars nerds from the 80s-00s? give me a break.

 

[MDSLKTR]

who defines these rules? star wars nerds from the 80s-00s? give me a break.

You're playing with fire

 

[kunonabi]

who defines these rules? star wars nerds from the 80s-00s? give me a break.

Like, since when have SW nerds had any say in anything? The rules being broken are things established on screen by the six SW films.

 

[Nikana]

who defines these rules? star wars nerds from the 80s-00s? give me a break.

The previous movies?

Part of one of the central characters downfall is that he's the most powerful Jedi ever and yet even he can't stop death even with "unlimited power."

Now you have a character who doesn't even harness the force cheating death and flying.

 

[pramod]

Why call it "The Last Jedi" when Luke himself said he's not the last Jedi?

The whole movie is one big troll.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Why call it "The Last Jedi" when Luke himself said he's not the last Jedi?

The whole movie is one big troll.

As of right now there is only one Jedi Who actually adheres to the Jedi religion

 

[WaterAstro]

Leia's space resurrection really freaked me out and kinda irked me. It was really weird as hell.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Leia's space resurrection really freaked me out and kinda irked me. It was really weird as hell.

Initially when the cockpit blew out, I thought that was how they were handling Carrie Fisher's passing. Then they turned it on it's head. I wonder if they did that on purpose tbh.

They did that a lot in this movie:
Luke throwing the lightsaber, Rey's heritage, the Casino and thinking the flower dude was going to be the new Lando, the Hoth-esque planet, Luke's battle with Kylo Ren etc, etc.

 

[Jezan]

Welcome to the question that breaks everything in Star Wars

"Why didn't they just lightspeed jump a corvette into the Death Star/Starkiller Base?"

Theoretically even an X-Wing at that speed would cause massive amounts of destruction to a planet.

Theoretically, but in TLJ we saw the aux ships slowing down and even "falling". Fighters move like if in atmosphere, so with SW physics they probably need really big ships to take down bigger ones.

Why call it "The Last Jedi" when Luke himself said he's not the last Jedi?

The whole movie is one big troll.

TBH the title is plural, all translated titles basically mention more than one Jedi. But English...

 

[caffeware]

It's 54% in rotten tomatoes as in now...

Lets see how it does week 2.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

I think Jeremy is right that Finn and Rose's "romance" was the worst romance in SW history including the prequels.
Think about that.

https://youtu.be/-A9rYcBmBFo?t=369

Finn is a pointless character

 

[Alter_Fridge]

The generalized consensus seems to be Star Wars aficionados hate it and everyone else thinks its a really good/cool/fun movie. Sounds about right.

My thoughts too

 

[Lionel Richie]

I think Jeremy is right that Finn and Rose's "romance" was the worst romance in SW history including the prequels.
Think about that.

https://youtu.be/-A9rYcBmBFo?t=369

Just came out from it and I'm legit shocked that something as obnoxious as whatever the fuck Finn and Rose were doing at any time passed through a creative team that thought "yeah, we should do that". It was all bad, the best part of the movie was when I thought Finn would die and then he didn't and then they have the worst kiss I remember anywhere since at least Sonic 06. Goddamn.

Kylo and Rey are great characters, you could explore that. But instead they spent a good chunk of the movie around Finn, Rose, Leia who's dead IRL anyway, and Poe who's quickly approaching Jar Jar levels of irritating characters. Plus Disney movies feels like a McDonald's dish, you know, they have a formula and they're going to follow it damn it. I wouldn't be surprised if Doctor Strange makes a cameo on the next one and go for a one liner like "jesus fucking christ where did my uber driver take me?".

Star Trek Abrahams version is better.

I hope Rey manages to bring Ben back and they get together and shit. Luke's death was LMAO, come on son don't pull that shit on me. At least the colors looked nice and Rey and Kylo saved the movie.

EDIT: Abrams Star Trek is a better rebooted series, fight me.

 

[WaterAstro]

Initially when the cockpit blew out, I thought that was how they were handling Carrie Fisher's passing. Then they turned it on it's head. I wonder if they did that on purpose tbh.

They did that a lot in this movie:
Luke throwing the lightsaber, Rey's heritage, the Casino and thinking the flower dude was going to be the new Lando, the Hoth-esque planet, Luke's battle with Kylo Ren etc, etc.

Yeah, I thought they were gonna kill her, but I remember they said they wouldn't in some interview after her passing.

The real reason it was weird to me is because I feel like it is the most powerful use of the Force in all of the movies. Usually, the Force just guides the Jedi, but Leia became some super immortal wizard. Also, I don't think humans can survive seconds outside in space. There's no atmospheric pressure, so people will literally have their liquids vaporize into space. Maybe it's the Force, but I couldn't really suspend my disbelief at that moment.

Other than that one bit, it's a pretty solid movie.

 

[bigsnack]

Star Wars was always about injecting levity into serious situations. Think about the Death Star escape/trash compacter scene in ANH. Sorry that you can't watch Star Wars through a child's eyes anymore.

So much hyperbole about this movie over headcanon blowing up peoples brains. My only real issues with this movie is Leia Poppins and that Canto Bight is the soft middle that could lose a 5 minute trim. I get the point of learning from failure, but that's a lot of movie to dedicate to failure.

Anyone calling it "worst Star Wars ever" was either 5 years old when they watched the PT or permabaked from 1999-2005. Get a grip people.

I agree 100%. I saw it again today, and aside from the lull in the middle of the movie feeling REALLY long, I enjoyed it quite a bit.

It wasn’t what most expected, but I don’t think it ruined anything. Not every idea was executed perfectly, but The movie sat with me a lot better the second time around. I don’t think most of the seemingly absolutes in this movie are actually that absolute. To me it seems like Kylo encouraged Rey’s conclusion about her parents as a way to convince her to turn, and on second viewing I don’t think phasma is dead. The middle of the movie is about 25 minutes too long, but I loved everything else.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Just came out from it and I'm legit shocked that something as obnoxious as whatever the fuck Finn and Rose were doing at any time passed through a creative team that thought "yeah, we should do that". It was all bad, the best part of the movie was when I thought Finn would die and then he didn't and then they have the worst kiss I remember anywhere since at least Sonic 06. Goddamn.

Kylo and Rey are great characters, you could explore that. But instead they spent a good chunk of the movie around Finn, Rose, Leia who's dead IRL anyway, and Poe who's quickly approaching Jar Jar levels of irritating characters. Plus Disney movies feels like a McDonald's dish, you know, they have a formula and they're going to follow it damn it. I wouldn't be surprised if Doctor Strange makes a cameo on the next one and go for a one liner like "jesus fucking christ where did my uber driver take me?".

Star Trek Abrahams version is better.

I hope Rey manages to bring Ben back and they get together and shit. Luke's death was LMAO, come on son don't pull that shit on me. At least the colors looked nice and Rey and Kylo saved the movie.

EDIT: Abrams Star Trek is a better rebooted series, fight me.

Agree with all of this 100%. The Finn and Rose storyline is beyond pointless, as are the characters, and Poe is pretty irrelevant as well. Add Laura Dern to the pointless new additions that don't contribute to the advancement of the plot.

The only decent new character was Del Toro who was amazing and they give him the least screen time. FMD

 

[t-storm]

I actually really enjoyed it but I went in with low expectations to begin with so that was likely a factor.

After seeing the film, I’m still convinced Rey is a Skywalker despite what Kylo said, he was just bullshitting her and I believe that Snoke was bullshitting about him being the one behind force bonding them... it was them all along which was reaffirmed by the last force bond which they seemed to do themselves on Crait.

It makes sense that they’d be saving the reveal for the final film in the trilogy after teasing the audience so much in the first two films.

I originally wanted to know more about Snoke but after seeing how things played out in the film and how they framed it, he really had as much importance to the story overall as a Darth Maul or General Grievous would

 

[Alter_Fridge]

I actually really enjoyed it but I went in with low expectations to begin with so that was likely a factor.

After seeing the film, I'm still convinced Rey is a Skywalker despite what Kylo said, he was just bullshitting her and I believe that Snoke was bullshitting about him being the one behind force bonding them... it was them all along which was reaffirmed by the last force bond which they seemed to do themselves on Crait.

It makes sense that they'd be saving the reveal for the final film in the trilogy after teasing the audience so much in the first two films.

I originally wanted to know more about Snoke but after seeing how things played out in the film and how they framed it, he really had as much importance to the story overall as a Darth Maul or General Grievous would

Yeah, he was only slightly more disappointing than wannabe tough boy Hux in the end.

Another disappointment, I thought he was gonna be super bad ass

 

[Typhares]

I wouldn't consider myself a massive star wars fan, I've seen all the movies but never dipped in the old EU content.
Anyway I guess I am a nitpicker too cause I really didn't enjoy the movie apart from the Kylo/Rey parts.
If a movie doesn't make 'sense' I struggle to get into it properly.
For me the biggest one was Vice admiral Holdo being all bitchy to Poe and not explaining her plan even after being given several opportunities to do so. Like the guy is an ace pilot and saved everyone ass multiple times but you treat him like that, making him think the fleet is doomed of course he is going to try to save the day.
If she had explained the plan: no casino bullshit, no betrayal from the hacker so the transports would all have made it to the planet fine and undetected.
So basically crap writting to fit the plot.

 

[plushyp]

The characterization of Luke and ending pissed me off. Why did Mark Hamill agree to that?

He didn't. He hated it, but did his job like a professional...

This is the most depressing part. Luke had his character arc end satisfyingly in 6 but Rian had to crap on it at the expense of Rey. He makes it plain to see:-

If he comes in as just an optimistic fighter for the good guys, that gives Rey nothing to bounce up against — that's just an older version of Rey. So it's not what Mark had in his head initially, and that's why he's spoken very openly about his being caught off guard by the script and where the character ends up. But I knew this is where it had to be. We got into the conversations, and we got into the work, and we talked, and we argued, and we discussed, and that process ended up being very good for the character and also for our working relationship. It was a very good one.

http://www.businessinsider.com/star...view-about-the-last-jedi-fan-backlash-2017-12

I would honestly have been happier if Luke wasn't in the film or restricted to flashbacks where he was mentoring Rey and giving her sagely advice instead of milking an alien cow, saying "it's time for the jedi to end" and dying at the end because he didn't take telepathy lessons from Professor X.

 

[takriel]

I think Jeremy is right that Finn and Rose's "romance" was the worst romance in SW history including the prequels.
Think about that.

https://youtu.be/-A9rYcBmBFo?t=369

No romance is worse than Anakin and Padme in Episode II. You can't be serious.

 

[Grinchy]

The big problem with the Rose/Finn romance is that it didn't even exist until she just kissed him out of nowhere. Even Finn looked confused.

 

[cubicle47b]

No romance is worse than Anakin and Padme in Episode II. You can't be serious.

Yeah, it's not even close.

 

[WaterAstro]

The big problem with the Rose/Finn romance is that it didn't even exist until she just kissed him out of nowhere. Even Finn looked confused.

Do you think love can bloom even on a battlefield?