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Star Wars The Last Jedi Spoiler discussion thread: THERE WILL BE UNMARKED SPOILERS!

rokkerkory

Member
I need to see this movie a second time to process everything. Good lordie so much to process... some great scenes for sure and some what the hell / why is it there scenes.

One thing I am super thrilled is that Rian Johnson threw the entire universe on its side... I think it needed it because now, I have no idea to expect for Ep 9. =D
 

pramod

Banned
Just went back to watch a bit of TFA today and realize what a superior piece of film making that was compared to TFJ.

Sure the plot was a rehash, but the acting, dialogue, comedy all worked. On the other hand in TFJ from that first awful your momma joke the movie was just nonstop cringey WTF scenes one after the other.
 

Grinchy

Banned
Just went back to watch a bit of TFA today and realize what a superior piece of film making that was compared to TFJ.

Sure the plot was a rehash, but the acting, dialogue, comedy all worked. On the other hand in TFJ from that first awful your momma joke the movie was just nonstop cringey WTF scenes one after the other.
I just never had a problem with the rehash nature of the last one. It was a nice comfy setup to new characters and problems. And like you say, it was a very competently made film, unlike episode 8.
 

pramod

Banned
Also not only was the Canto Bight sequence hands down the most boring, pointless, and meaningless 30 minutes in all of Star Wars (I'd rather watch Pod Racing 10 more times), the whole premise and setup is so illogical and ridiculous I will never get over it.

So if a bunch of people can just get on a small spaceship, hyper jump to some random planet far away, and then come back, like nothing happened, all without TFO fleet detecting them.....why not just, you know, evacuate all the people that way? One small ship at a time?

Or...don't they have Uber in Star Wars? Just call a bunch of space taxis to ferry all the people out. TFO can't detect any small ships, right?
 

Grinchy

Banned
They only have 3D holographic real-time monitoring of their ammunitions hitting the shield and everything flying around the ship...why would they have radar capability for small vessels?
 
Haven't seen it, but based off of what I've heard elsewhere and what's been said here I can't say I feel particularly motivated to see what by all accounts appears to be some attempt by Disney to turn Star Wars into Guardians of the Galaxy as if somehow that was a necessary ingredient to guarantee box office success.


I'm thinking the Han solo movie will basically be guardians of the galaxy, but in the star wars universe.
 
I don't think this is a bad movie, it's pretty average, some great scenes, beautiful shots, fairly standard SW bullshit that we all give a pass to because it's SW, it never made much sense anyway.

I hate it. TFA started us down this path, TLJ ended it, you took my childhood friends and you ruined their lives.I understand that these new movies can't be all is rosy, everything is awesome. I know that they're going to die. That it's time for a new generation, for actors who can do the action scenes. For new faces. For new stories.

But you didn't have to be so fucking mean about it. The one that's the most okay is Leia, and her personal life is hell, things didn't work out with the love of her life, her kid made her a widower, her brother hasn't spoken to her in years, and the work of her life has crumbled around her ears while most everyone ignored her warnings about this Empire v2. And now I assume she's going to die between movies.

Gosh thanks, movie. I sure hope I start to care about these new characters, surely their life isn't going to be a sad tale full of sad things ending in a sad way... :D
And if there's one thing I want from my SW movies, it's to come out of it going "It's all meaningless, life is pain and in the end, you die".
 

Kadayi

Banned
I'm thinking the Han solo movie will basically be guardians of the galaxy, but in the star wars universe.

I think that way maybe the route they were taking it, though things might have changed when the swapped directors. But at the same time, the whole tonal nature of Star Wars is entirely different from the GoTG and the MCU. Those things have always been kind of quippy, whereas, despite the odd bit of humour, SW has always been pretty straight for the most part.
 

JimboJones

Member
Just back aswell, it was ok. I remember after watching Force Awakens and I couldnt wait for this now I'm just kinda indifferent for the next one.
 

Hissing Sid

Member
So after a week it’s pretty clear that quite a few ppl don’t care for TLJ, so what’s Disney’s play now?

Do they continue with their present Ghostbusters strategy of pretending it’s all a manspiracy, telling their customers that they are wrong and calling them nazis for not liking the product?

Do they ride out the storm and hope the dissenting voices just eventually get bored and stfu?

Are they hoping they’ve managed to bag enough new worshippers that it will offset the monetary loss they’ll incur by having just shat on the old guard?

Do they keep on trucking and hope JJ provides enough morphine to dull the pain and keep the vast majority of fans on board?

Would love to be a fly on the wall at Mouse HQ right now.
 

Kadayi

Banned
So after a week it’s pretty clear that quite a few ppl don’t care for TLJ, so what’s Disney’s play now?

Do they continue with their present Ghostbusters strategy of pretending it’s all a manspiracy, telling their customers that they are wrong and calling them nazis for not liking the product?

Do they ride out the storm and hope the dissenting voices just eventually get bored and stfu?

Are they hoping they’ve managed to bag enough new worshippers that it will offset the monetary loss they’ll incur by having just shat on the old guard?

Do they keep on trucking and hope JJ provides enough morphine to dull the pain and keep the vast majority of fans on board?

Would love to be a fly on the wall at Mouse HQ right now.

Unless there's a significant drop off in gate receipts I doubt they'll give a shit. Looking at the press, there's a fuck tonne of belittling articles coming out from various sites, to try and sweep it under the carpet. They're just going to ride it out and carry on with their BS. Still, when you have an audience, who despite hating something will readily pony up to watch it a couple more times just to confirm their suspicions, you don't really have to worry all that much.
 

gimz

Member
And now when I was just thinking.

This movie is about an older sister, send a young girl to his brother’s place and says:
“Hi beloved brother, I’m sending you this young woman to your cave; get excited, and save your dad’s kingdom for god sake. Love, Leia ”
 

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Worst SW movie yet. Which is really something after the abominable prequels.

If I hadn't watched RO recently my last hope would've been gone.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
I saw this today and the astral projection was a little bit much..

Here's what I think. The kids have these maxed out Jedi powers. Powers that Luke probably never had to use. Well the kids were born with it, so Luke goes to use them and he's powerful enough to trick Kylo. But it also makes him transcend?

I liked the film, but I got more emotional thinking about how Luke saying this was only the beginning and then poof. It was almost too light, but very emotional for a fan of classic Star Wars.

Snoke was kinda pointless. He was much more interesting in TFA versus what happens to him in TLJ. IMO they relied upon that scene with Luke and Kylo for just about everything.

I get it. Snoke helped make Kylo who he is, but he didn't do anything. He was basically in that red room saying a bunch of evil nonsense
 
Absolutely the worst Star Wars movie I've ever seen. Everything about the OT is destroyed one by one in 155 minutes. There is nothing to say.
 

rokkerkory

Member
Im glad everyone has their point of view. Sure the movie has some crappy parts ie CB and some of the comedy was terrible.

For me, Luke went out honorably and used all his powers to save the galaxy yet again before he ascended to the Force.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
The whole time I am thinking Luke is going to do the same thing Obi wan did and raise his lightsaber in battle. Thus boosting the morale of his apprentice.

Luke's appearance was the best part, but what's makes no sense is that you can kiss someone, give them a piece of jewelry and fight with your lightsaber all while being a projection. Then at the last minute, none of it actually damages the body.

Then you have Luke's ascension where he essentially vanishes.

From what I gather Obi Wan transcended too. Remember how his robe just fell to the floor and he vanished into nothing?

I don't feel like this movie had a huge eye opening moment. It felt a bit underwhelming. The Producer of the first film brought things together. I wanted to see Luke and I wanted to see why he was gone.

Luke started to discuss what went wrong and then everything was explained in a short flashback. It felt so pointless. Kylo has all this anger for what? One bad fight with Luke in the middle of the night?

Kylo also had to complete his training. Nothing really happened and now he can speak to other people with the force?

I got goosebumps when Luke talked about there being more Jedi when she was holding up the rocks to let everyone out and the kid who used the force in the stables. That was good, but Luke's appearance had a good beginning and somewhat of a good come back. It just wasn't executed very well in the middle.

I really wish Luke would have had a better reason to have left. TFA had me thinking that there was so much to be seen and this film was going to show us all this interesting stuff. Snoke's lore and why he can even use the force is still a big WTF.
 

WaterAstro

Member
Yeah, I think Luke needed more backstory time. Fill in what happened between Return of the Jedi and when Kylo Ren kills everyone.

Feels like he just became a careless bastard the way things are now.
 

VAL0R

Banned
A few of my complaints:

- The legendary jedi Luke Skywalker is a curmudgeonly hermit who can't be bothered to leave his cave and lifetime supply of space walrus milk to defend his sister and the dying rebellion. He does pretend to leave though, with a force hologram trick. Then he dies.
- Finn and Rose star in a throwaway subplot involving a hedonistic casino city which races puppyhorses that we are supposed to care about while rebels are being incinerated by the First Order. Here Finn and Rose ride a puppyhorse in the corniest scene since the prequels. They also ride a smashed-up AT-AT a little later, in case we didn't get enough of them riding on things during Casino Quest. Those crazy kids.
- Phasma goes out like a complete punk - again!
- Snoke goes out like a punk with no explanation as to who he is or where he came from. Then Kylo and Rey proceed to clear a room of elite throne room guards in a pretty badly cherographed clumsy fight sequence that also makes zero sense given their incredible force powers.
 

caffeware

Banned
A few of my complaints:

- Then Kylo and Rey proceed to clear a room of elite throne room guards in a pretty badly cherographed clumsy fight sequence that also makes zero sense given their incredible force powers.

Unless, the guards are The Knights of Ren, like some are speculating, which makes it even worst.


52% audience scores. Tied with ghost busters 2016.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yeah, I think Luke needed more backstory time. Fill in what happened between Return of the Jedi and when Kylo Ren kills everyone.

Feels like he just became a careless bastard the way things are now.
They portray him as a dam idiot, in fact they portray every Jedi as a dam idiot including Darth Vader.
While it takes years for Luke, Darth and every other Jedi to master the force it Rey less then a week to surpass Luke with no knowledge or training or reason why and the little boy is already using the force making Luke look like a Fool.
 

pramod

Banned
Luke started to discuss what went wrong and then everything was explained in a short flashback. It felt so pointless. Kylo has all this anger for what? One bad fight with Luke in the middle of the night?

Yeah this justification is becoming really weak the more I think about it. Yes in that moment Kylo must have felt that Luke wanted to kill him, but what about afterwards? Surely he could have sensed via the Force that Luke already regretted his actions, that it was a mistake, a misunderstanding?

And why didn't Rey just explain this to Ben when she met him? (or did she?)
 

Flux

Member
Movie hate has been way overblown. The only thing I didnt like was the Marvel formula being applied, making every character need a joke or quip every five minutes.
 

MadOdorMachine

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The one good thing I can say about the movie is that it has me thinking about it a lot. I remember as a kid thinking about how cool it would be to use the force. This movie has me thinking a lot too, but for different reasons. Now I'm asking questions like, Does Disney think the audience is stupid and does Disney hate making money? I said this in the Ep 9, thread but I never knew I was a Star Wars fanboy until now. After seeing this movie, I went home and watched the original trilogy again just to see Luke how I remember him.

The whole movie was one giant troll to a lot of people and was completely intentional. The planet where the last fight took place was made of salt. Like the TFA ending on a cliff with a cliffhanger, the visual pun here was subtle, but I picked up on it.

They really up-ended everything you know about Star Wars and I feel like it could have worked if they had saved it for after this Trilogy. The way they handled the lore and the characters completely destroyed everything. The messaging was clear that the rules don't apply so now that there is no grounding point, it just seems like they could do anything and it really doesn't matter. That was the general vibe I got out of the movie - nothing matters.

As I walked out of the theater, I realized that I don't care about any of these characters - especially the new ones. There is no reason for me to see what they do next because they completely destroyed any hype you had for them going in along with the Star Wars lore in general.

The other feeling I got about half way through the movie was that Disney thinks they can do whatever they want and people will continue to pay money. I'm so pissed off about what they did (especially after finding out about how they probably hid Luke's death from Mark Hamill) that I don't plan on seeing Ep. 9 in theaters. I wanted to go back and watch this one again, but decided I'm not going to give them my money. I think that's coming across in second week sales and I wouldn't be surprised if Ep 9 bombs in the box office. When considering the backlash over the game Battlefront 2 as well, this only adds more fuel to the fire.

That being said, here's an idea I have for Ep 9 which I posted in the other thread. I don't think I would pay to see this movie, but I think it will continue what was started in Ep 7, wrap everything up in this new trilogy and also set them up for something new going forward.

Here's my outline for Ep 9. It picks up right after 8 just like 8 started right after 7. So the entire new trilogy takes place in about a one week span.

- All the rebels are on the Millennium Falcon and it's cramped. People start getting really irritated and friendships are torn apart. Also, everyone is wondering, "Where is Leia?" She's just gone and it becomes a mystery sub-plot for the movie.
- Meanwhile they are being followed by Kylo and his armada of ships.
- They approach an asteroid belt and are like, "We're all gonna die." and there's also a lot of in-fighting but it's also funny. Ex. There's only one bathroom, someone is claustrophobic, etc.
- Rey suddenly has new powers and teleports everyone but her to a ship where they have allies (including those from Canto Bight) on the other side of the asteroid belt. She gives them a mission to find Leia.
- Rey uses the force to launch asteroids at light speed at the approaching armada from Kylo.
- Kylo tries to stop Rey with his force powers, but is too weak. Before he dies, he tells Rey that he loves her and is prepared to die for her. He also tells her that she is the light and the dark. Anyway, everyone in the first order is now dead including Kylo.
- Back to Finn and Poe. When they arrive on the ship, everyone there are female except the little kids from the Canto Bight.
- Poe takes a ship to go find Leia and you suspect that he is secretly in love with her.
- Finn it turns out also has force powers and was a First Order spy all along. He senses that everyone in the first order is dead. In addition, he also senses that all of the women have PMS at the same time. Gone insane from the situation on Millennium Falcon, the crabby women and the loss of all his true friends, in a fit of rage like his idol Kylo Ren, he sabotages the entire fleet of allies with his awesome new powers and all of their ships blow up. In the process, Finn heroically commits suicide dying for what he believes in.
- Rey leaps out of the Millennium Falcon and starts growing in size and glowing. Like a super-massive black hole she sucks up everything and then causes a giant explosion destroying everything in the universe. She realizes she is the force and becomes a goddess. This segment has the best special effects ever seen in a movie.
- At this point, the only thing left in the universe is Poe and Rey.
- Rey used the force to protect Poe and to bring Poe to her. She's tells him everyone is dead, that he is the only man left in the universe and that together they will rebuild civilization.
- Poe tells Rey he is gay and there's no way they can rebuild civilization because he has absolutely no attraction to her.
- Rey is angry that she couldn't sense this with the force and then decides to eat Poe.
- Rey swallows Poe whole and in the process Rey becomes both a man and a woman. Rey impregnates himself. The movie ends and alludes to Rey being the true savior of the universe and the only one to ever bring balance to the force. The movie ends but hints of Rey dying while giving birth to a new universe.
 

Paracelsus

Member
Movie hate has been way overblown. The only thing I didnt like was the Marvel formula being applied, making every character need a joke or quip every five minutes.

The Marvel formula was hated in the PT too. It's not a small deal.

The one good thing I can say about the movie is that it has me thinking about it a lot. I remember as a kid thinking about how cool it would be to use the force. This movie has me thinking a lot too, but for different reasons. Now I'm asking questions like, Does Disney think the audience is stupid and does Disney hate making money? I said this in the Ep 9, thread but I never knew I was a Star Wars fanboy until now. After seeing this movie, I went home and watched the original trilogy again just to see Luke how I remember him.

And the answer is "yes". And why wouldn't they think so? Read this

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7l9m4c/spoilers_lets_talk_about_luke_skywalker/

It's more like they want to be treated like morons, because it's hard to let go. Luke? It's ok. Force retcon? Ok. Hyperspace? Awesome, who cares if it fucks up the plot of all the old movies AND the EU. From the other thread

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=253136862#post253136862

He meant it in a good way, but that's what the hardcore SW fans are doing right now
and for the past 20 years
: shutting the brain off. Hell, some people are desperate enough to claim people hated ESB at first to compare the two movies. What are we even talking about here?
 

Kadayi

Banned
It's more like they want to be treated like morons, because it's hard to let go. Luke? It's ok. Force retcon? Ok. Hyperspace? Awesome, who cares if it fucks up the plot of all the old movies AND the EU. From the other thread

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=253136862#post253136862

He meant it in a good way, but that's what the hardcore SW fans are doing right now
and for the past 20 years
: shutting the brain off. Hell, some people are desperate enough to claim people hated ESB at first to compare the two movies. What are we even talking about here?

A combination of sunk cost bias coupled with Stockholm syndrome. If you imagine you've invested hundreds perhaps thousands of hours into all things Star Wars (plus god knows how much money on associated merch), what's the more likely scenario? You're going to say 'fuck it' and just walk away from something that's been a big part of your life, or

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I'm going to hazard the latter for most people. So naturally, the next step is to try and post-rationalise how any fuckery you've experienced isn't remotely as bad as people are making out, and in fact, it's quite the reverse and a good thing. The JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson's and Kathleen Kennedys of this world may say they're huge fans of SW, but the actual reality is they're at best tourists. These are busy Hollywood types who have had their fingers in innumerable pies. You honestly think any of them has ever done anything more than occasionally watch the previous films? I very much doubt it. So is it, therefore, any surprise that they're playing fast and loose with aspects that utterly undermine the previous films? Not at all. What's surprising though is they apparently don't have anyone appointed at Lucasfilm to push back against poorly thought through ideas. A keeper of the canon so to speak. Someone to help temper an interesting if flawed idea into a workable one, that doesn't undermine everything that's gone before.

If you're going to make (a) sequel(s) to something then you need the people in place to do it with some degree of actual commitment to the bigger picture and not simply throw in a few nostalgia nods here and there as fan lip service. Blade Runner 2049 is a perfect example of a film that achieves that. It builds on the story of the original, brings its own complexities and more importantly doesn't undermine what's gone before. Likewise look at Aliens, again a perfect follow up that builds and expands on the ideas and universe of the original film, but is also its own thing (this time its war), but again, more importantly, doesn't undermine what's gone before. There is an actual reverence at work in the production of both of those films, that seems to be missing from what Disney is doing.
 

Xisiqomelir

Member
Finally watched so I can comment.

Liked:
-Luke going full Zen and de-linking the Force from the Jedi
-Yoda going BEYOND ZEN and burning the Jedi Koran
-Luke becoming more powerful than we can possibly imagine
-BB-9E
-Chewbacca
-Kylo putting some effort in
-Kylo HATING the Falcon because it reminds him of Han
-Kylo v Hux hate-fueled eyefucking
-1st viewing of the hambonetaru-chan owls in the Falcon cockpit
-Benicio
-Ending with moonlightsaber kid

Didn't:
-Autistic nonspecific pan-Asian girl
-Blue-haired old lady womansplaining strategy to a war ace
-FN-2187 explaining that Kylo HATES the Falcon because it reminds him of Han
-3rd viewing of the hambonetaru-chan owls in the Falcon cockpit
-Snoke's rapid erasure
-Ackbar's ignominious off-screening
-Space bombers DROPPING bombs in zero-G

Overall: Enjoyed
 

Grinchy

Banned
There's one thing I don't understand about the hyperspace kamikaze. When these ships warp, I always assumed they were "warping" space. If they're just going light speed, then how did they get to other star systems so quickly? It could still take thousands and millions of years to travel those distances at the speed of light.

So if the ships are really warping space to immediately travel distances, then how would you be able to run into another ship? The point you're at and the point of your destination would both be clear and you'd just be aligning yourself with both points. Nothing would be in your path.
 

Kadayi

Banned
There's one thing I don't understand about the hyperspace kamikaze. When these ships warp, I always assumed they were "warping" space. If they're just going light speed, then how did they get to other star systems so quickly? It could still take thousands and millions of years to travel those distances at the speed of light.

So if the ships are really warping space to immediately travel distances, then how would you be able to run into another ship? The point you're at and the point of your destination would both be clear and you'd just be aligning yourself with both points. Nothing would be in your path.

Well, this is the kind of ill considered plot hole fuckery that has gotten people upset because suddenly turning Hyperspace into a weapon makes a nonsense of ...well pretty much every space battle that's occurred before. Want to beat the empire? Have a bunch of Droid driven X wings Hyperspace through every Star Destroyer going. Problem solved.
 

WaterAstro

Member
There's one thing I don't understand about the hyperspace kamikaze. When these ships warp, I always assumed they were "warping" space. If they're just going light speed, then how did they get to other star systems so quickly? It could still take thousands and millions of years to travel those distances at the speed of light.

So if the ships are really warping space to immediately travel distances, then how would you be able to run into another ship? The point you're at and the point of your destination would both be clear and you'd just be aligning yourself with both points. Nothing would be in your path.

Yeah, that made wonder about it as well.

Hyperspace is supposed to be another dimension where the laws of relativity doesn't apply. If this is true, the kamikaze ship should have just went through the Imperial fleet without physical touching it. Maybe Star Wars hyperspace is different from what I understand hyperspace from Stargate (In Stargate, SG-1 used a ships hyperspace drive to send an asteroid through Earth, passing it without physically destroying it), but Han Solo used hyperspace in this exact same way to get past the Star Killer's planetary shields.

If hyperspace can physical come in contact with physical and stellar objects, then hyperlanes exist for navigation purposes of ships frequently travelling major traffic zones. It certainly didn't make sense to me.
 

Grinchy

Banned
Well, this is the kind of ill considered plot hole fuckery that has gotten people upset because suddenly turning Hyperspace into a weapon makes a nonsense of ...well pretty much every space battle that's occurred before. Want to beat the empire? Have a bunch of Droid driven X wings Hyperspace through every Star Destroyer going. Problem solved.

Yeah that part is dumb (especially considering there are AI robots in this universe that could pilot these vessels so that human resistance members weren't committing suicide). I just can't wrap my brain around what the hell their high-speed travel method is anymore.

Yeah, that made wonder about it as well.

Hyperspace is supposed to be another dimension where the laws of relativity doesn't apply. If this is true, the kamikaze ship should have just went through the Imperial fleet without physical touching it. Maybe Star Wars hyperspace is different from what I understand hyperspace from Stargate (In Stargate, SG-1 used a ships hyperspace drive to send an asteroid through Earth, passing it without physically destroying it), but Han Solo used hyperspace in this exact same way to get past the Star Killer's planetary shields.

If hyperspace can physical come in contact with physical and stellar objects, then hyperlanes exist for navigation purposes of ships frequently travelling major traffic zones. It certainly didn't make sense to me.

Yeah, exactly. I'm not the biggest Star Wars aficionado, so I wasn't sure what the real rules of the travel method were. This movie just made it all more confusing for kinda no reason.
 

rokkerkory

Member
Yeah, that made wonder about it as well.

Hyperspace is supposed to be another dimension where the laws of relativity doesn't apply. If this is true, the kamikaze ship should have just went through the Imperial fleet without physical touching it. Maybe Star Wars hyperspace is different from what I understand hyperspace from Stargate (In Stargate, SG-1 used a ships hyperspace drive to send an asteroid through Earth, passing it without physically destroying it), but Han Solo used hyperspace in this exact same way to get past the Star Killer's planetary shields.

If hyperspace can physical come in contact with physical and stellar objects, then hyperlanes exist for navigation purposes of ships frequently travelling major traffic zones. It certainly didn't make sense to me.

It might have been where the raddus wasnmt completely yet in hyperspace and was still accelerating towards hyperspace speed?
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yeah, that made wonder about it as well.

Hyperspace is supposed to be another dimension where the laws of relativity doesn't apply. If this is true, the kamikaze ship should have just went through the Imperial fleet without physical touching it. Maybe Star Wars hyperspace is different from what I understand hyperspace from Stargate (In Stargate, SG-1 used a ships hyperspace drive to send an asteroid through Earth, passing it without physically destroying it), but Han Solo used hyperspace in this exact same way to get past the Star Killer's planetary shields.

If hyperspace can physical come in contact with physical and stellar objects, then hyperlanes exist for navigation purposes of ships frequently travelling major traffic zones. It certainly didn't make sense to me.
Han also hyper Jumps out the landing bay which has no effect on the bay doors in TFA
the kamikaze hyper jump makes zero sense.
 

Kadayi

Banned
It might have been where the raddus wasnmt completely yet in hyperspace and was still accelerating towards hyperspace speed?

Regardless of how you slice it and dice it though, it still basically makes a mockery of all the space combat in the previous films as a principle. New Death Star? no biggie we'll just get a couple of Frigates close and then hyperspace them through the core.
 

MadOdorMachine

No additional functions
There's one thing I don't understand about the hyperspace kamikaze. When these ships warp, I always assumed they were "warping" space. If they're just going light speed, then how did they get to other star systems so quickly? It could still take thousands and millions of years to travel those distances at the speed of light.

So if the ships are really warping space to immediately travel distances, then how would you be able to run into another ship? The point you're at and the point of your destination would both be clear and you'd just be aligning yourself with both points. Nothing would be in your path.

The way I looked at it was that they need a certain amount of space for take off and landing where they are vulnerable to hitting something. While they are in hyperspace, they're okay it's just entering and exiting it where the can cause damage to themselves and others. Also, the bigger the ship, the more space needed. IIRC that's why we didn't see Holdo's ship in the debris and aftermath because it went into hyperspace. We only saw the damage it did to the other ships. I kind of think it's something similar to the wake of a boat.
 

rokkerkory

Member
Regardless of how you slice it and dice it though, it still basically makes a mockery of all the space combat in the previous films as a principle. New Death Star? no biggie we'll just get a couple of Frigates close and then hyperspace them through the core.

Since when does SW have to adhere to our science?
 

The Mule

Member
This movie was a huge disappointment. Over-used comedy, lack of emotional courage, unwelcome slapstick, Leia's Mary Poppins moment (I don't know what else to call it. So dumb...), unnecessary hand holding dialog, and Luke's death made no sense.

Also, why didn't they kill off Leia is this movie? Being sucked out into space was the perfect time to end it.

Force Awakens wasn't amazing, but it made me hopeful for a solid trilogy. Now I'm not so sure...

edit:
https://youtu.be/1v2PV52WNLY

I was in tears watching this lol. Major spoilers of course

Oh wow, ok glad to know I'm not the only one that thought it looked like Mary Poppins.
 

tkscz

Member
I didn't see TFA, as I'm not that into Star Wars, but was the purple hair lady in that one? Do we ever see Lea training her to take her place? If not, where did she come from? Honestly thought she would be evil. She was mean, she kept plans from EVERYONE, not just the pilot guy (don't remember his name). I mean, he stands in the middle of the room asking her why she was keeping plans not just from him, but from everybody. How the hell are they supposed to go with the plan if they don't know it? Also, how was that plan even suppose to work? I get they can only track one ship, but you're telling me they can't see these other ships floating to that planet? Did they explain that and I missed it or are we suppose to assume their advanced radar technology can't find ships that are too small?

Also, why is Kylo all like "I WANT TO RULE THE UNIVERSE NOW!"? I thought he was going to go off and do his own thing after seeing the harm in both the light side/Rebels and the Dark side/Imperials/what ever they called themselves in this one (first something). At least that's what the movie was going for at first. With one side going "I SEE THE GOOD IN HIM!" and the other side all "I SEE HIM DOING MANY EVIL THINGS!" it would've made sense if he just left, or felt it better to rid the universe of both sides of the war, ending the war. I mean, that's why they showed us that both sides were buying weapons off the same people right? Why the hacker dude can switch sides, why Luke kept bitching about the Jedi ruining things and that there should be no Jedi. It was all to show the viewer that their isn't a distinct good or evil in this war at this point. At least that's what I thought it was doing until Kylo is still working with the dark side, even after killing new Palpatine.

What was the point of that sub-plot? They failed. If they were the ones who got Rin out (that's her name right?) then I could see some purpose in them, but they didn't. They went on a mission that could've worked better than the above plan, but they failed. Was it just fill in time?

This movie felt like a mess. Entertaining, but filled with glaring holes.
 

Kadayi

Banned
Couple of interesting reviews/analysis that I stumbled across on the youtubes, which aren't of the typical angry nerd variety, that I'd say are worth a watch/listen if you have the time: -

First, is a writer looking at endemic issues that really are at the core of the reboot: -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYroQCN-MAM

Second is a slightly humorous review of TLJ that picks it apart, but then gets into a look at Disney as an operation towards the end, and its caretaking of Star Wars as an IP: -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0QPCS4a84k&t
 

rokkerkory

Member
WTF you on about our science? It;'s about adhering to its own internal world building. Did you even read what I wrote? Because I don't even mention physics

My bad I interpreted what you wrote differently.

I don't know why this tactic wasn't used in prior movies but perhaps self-preservation played a big part? Maybe it's so dire now for Holdo and rest of the resistance that she just had to do it.
 
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