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[Dark Octave]

Has this been dated yet or is it still in the void?

Street Fighter IV will be out before this game it seems like.

Anyway, I'm excited about that indie made Sonic 2 HD.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Street Fighter IV will be out before this game it seems like.

Anyway, I'm excited about that indie made Sonic 2 HD.

This was my thinking on the matter as well...

 

[Metal Gear?!]

I think after they saw what SNK did with KoF, and how they went about making their HD sprites, the folks at Capcom USA and Udon must've felt kind of stupid, really.

What did SNK do with KoF that Capcom isn't doing here?

 

[Raging Spaniard]

What did SNK do with KoF that Capcom isn't doing here?

If I understand it right, SNK made hi-res 3d versions of all the characters, then re-painted them all in hi-res frame by frame by tracing over the hi-res models. That ensured consistent animation, consistent lighting and consistent detail in tune with the animation.

Capcom took the sprites, blew them up to hi-res size and then they re-drew the frames with the main stipulation to not exceed the original hit boxes. Since they added a lot of detail to each frame (doesnt matter if its well drawn or not) without keeping the animation mind, the animations look jerky and out of sinc.

Very different process

 

[Teknoman]

Theres a bunch of videos of the game in motion: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=street+fighter+2+hd&search_type=

Watched the camera recorded one, and if thats a current build, it doesnt look bad in action. The Ken remix sounds alright as well.

 

[sandman]

The new graphics doesn't look that good, the old style looks better. The dark thick edges of the new graphic really sucks.

 

[Metal Gear?!]

If I understand it right, SNK made hi-res 3d versions of all the characters, then re-painted them all in hi-res frame by frame by tracing over the hi-res models. That ensured consistent animation, consistent lighting and consistent detail in tune with the animation.

Capcom took the sprites, blew them up to hi-res size and then they re-drew the frames with the main stipulation to not exceed the original hit boxes. Since they added a lot of detail to each frame (doesnt matter if its well drawn or not) without keeping the animation mind, the animations look jerky and out of sinc.

Very different process

Did SNK do that for their original KoF sprites too? I notice KoF animation has always been "stiffer" than SFII animation and always had a bit more of a 3D look to it.

 

[mileS]

so sexy

 

[Artanisix]

There will be rage if they screw up my boxer.

 

[KurowaSan]

the reason why I didn't take shots in 4:3 is because the original resolution of the arcade version is 384 x 224, which, unless I'm mistaken, is much closer to 16:9 than 4:3.

Yes, that's the native resolution. But It was ment to be displayed in 4:3 screens. Sprites in their native resolution are a bit wider than the way they're intended to look like.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Did SNK do that for their original KoF sprites too? I notice KoF animation has always been "stiffer" than SFII animation and always had a bit more of a 3D look to it.

Not that I know. SNK fighters have always had their signature style in terms of animation, but I believe they were done in similar fashion to Capcom sprites (SNK was founded by former Capcom staff after all)

SNK has also disclosed how they went about their new HD sprites, which leads me to think this is a new technique by them.

 

[Zoramon089]

So about the squished backgrounds...the screen does still scroll right? The stage isn't just one screen wide, is it?

 

[KurowaSan]

So about the squished backgrounds...the screen does still scroll right? The stage isn't just one screen wide, is it?

yes, it scrolls. Check any video ( for example, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7AeMX1j5ew )

They just zoomed in the view a little so that they could get a 16:9 ratio with the original 4:3 gameplay untouched.

 

[Raistlin]

And the gameplay looks awful since there are no added frames what so ever... shit, give me SFIV right away.

Nice way to completely miss the point of it.

 

[Raistlin]

Holy crap, lookit HD Ryu!

He actually has LESS detail!

No he doesn't :lol


The only place on him that is less detailed is the amount of shading (and a some creases) on the legs. Everything else is more detailed on the new one/

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

No he doesn't :lol


The only place on him that is less detailed is the amount of shading (and a some creases) on the legs. Everything else is more detailed on the new one/

Hey!

Pixels the size of my fist and the low color gradients are details too...kind of.....okay....I got nothing else, I'm sorry.

 

[Teknoman]

Still say wait till its running on your HDTV/Monitor/SDTV, then give the final verdict. Either that or a decent quality video.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Still say wait till its running on your HDTV/Monitor/SDTV, then give the final verdict. Either that or a decent quality video."


Is that going to change the art style?

 

[Teknoman]

I mean all the complaints about the animation and seemingly missing frames. Maybe im just being overly optimistic.

 

[SapientWolf]

No he doesn't :lol


The only place on him that is less detailed is the amount of shading (and a some creases) on the legs. Everything else is more detailed on the new one/

I'd say they have about the same amount of detail. But redrawing it in HD makes the lack of detail more obvious.

 

[Liquid]

waaaaaaaaaaait a minute. the problem with the animation isnt all because of the animation but what is drawn within the animations! look at the front of ryus gi! in the original the shading just moves up and down right below his forearm. in the remixed sprite the shading is made to look like wrinkles and because there are so few frames as is it results in a totally jarring look.

by the belt on the original the shading stays horizontal. on the new one it goes from horizontal to diagonal. same with the flap and the belt. the drawings are spaced way too way apart resulting in that odd look. the shading is all over the place for so few frames. :lol WTF

 

[Darkpen]

The background on this is decent but the color style makes it look like something out of Totally Spies.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THAT GIRL IN THE YELLOW AND GREEN :lol :lol :lol :lol

that, or winx, but mostly "Totally Spies"

 

[Orobi]

Ugly
Bad job, Udon...

 

[Xtyle]

their use of color on the BG is horrible. Just using the Deejay stage for example, the dancers have saturated green clothes...colors from that "distance" would be less saturated.
I also don't think the redrawn bg characters make any sense considering the location of the stage. Some now look more asianized if that's a word, like something I would expect from animes maybe. Besides that, there are all kinds of proportion, perspective, and composition problems with the art...it just...how do I put it, with today's videogame production, I do not expect ameture art like this.

 

[thetrin]

Did SNK do that for their original KoF sprites too? I notice KoF animation has always been "stiffer" than SFII animation and always had a bit more of a 3D look to it.

Huh? KOF animation has always been much more fluid than Street Fighter (with the exception of 3rd Strike).

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

waaaaaaaaaaait a minute. the problem with the animation isnt all because of the animation but what is drawn within the animations! look at the front of ryus gi! in the original the shading just moves up and down right below his forearm. in the remixed sprite the shading is made to look like wrinkles and because there are so few frames as is it results in a totally jarring look.

by the belt on the original the shading stays horizontal. on the new one it goes from horizontal to diagonal. same with the flap and the belt. the drawings are spaced way too way apart resulting in that odd look. the shading is all over the place for so few frames. :lol WTF

I've been saying this since the first videos came out months ago. Udon sucks ass at animation consistency. Which isn't surprising, considering they aren't an animation studio. Capcom and Backbone should be ashamed for picking Udon to do ALL The sprites in the game.

They're good at pinup art, but animation? Obviously not.

 

[FirstInHell]

GAF is now filled with expert game designers and world class artists. From the sounds of this thread, Capcom should have just mined the talent pool in this thread to make the game instead of using a bunch of hacks who know nothing about animation and art.

 

[Kenshiro]

GAF is now filled with expert game designers and world class artists. From the sounds of this thread, Capcom should have just mined the talent pool in this thread to make the game instead of using a bunch of hacks who know nothing about animation and art.

Touche.

 

[KnuckaWut]

animations are crap, and are gonna stay crap when you're just drawing over the old sprites.

 

[Chemo]

GAF is now filled with expert game designers and world class artists. From the sounds of this thread, Capcom should have just mined the talent pool in this thread to make the game instead of using a bunch of hacks who know nothing about animation and art.

Like you have to be an expert game designer or a world class artist to recognize total bullshit.

 

[Scorponok]

I am not sure where people are getting the rumor that one guy is doing this. I spoke to Omar Doogan of Udon at the Calgary Comic Expo a few weeks ago, and he told me he was in charge of drawing all the backgrounds to this game.

IMO, they should have put him in charge of the sprites, since he's good at drawing characters, and that was what he was selling at the convention.

 

[duckroll]

I am not sure where people are getting the rumor that one guy is doing this. I spoke to Omar Doogan of Udon at the Calgary Comic Expo a few weeks ago, and he told me he was in charge of drawing all the backgrounds to this game.

IMO, they should have put him in charge of the sprites, since he's good at drawing characters, and that was what he was selling at the convention.

Sounds like he should excuse himself from this project asap. :lol

 

[Dot50Cal]

Jesus Christ. Do NOT Google image search "totally spies". I can't believe its all porn. What the hell.

 

[Xtyle]

those backgrounds like pretty bad to me honestly.
they have that photoshop look which is kinda bad

 

[OatmealMu]

Jesus Christ. Do NOT Google image search "totally spies". I can't believe its all porn. What the hell.

CUMSOAKER 3000!

 

[Darkpen]

Sounds like he should excuse himself from this project asap. :lol

http://omar-dogan.deviantart.com/

 

[Dali]

http://omar-dogan.deviantart.com/

Ugh... I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Is this a nod in agreement to the post you were replying to?

 

[Ken Masters]

I'm hating this game more than ever. I mean, I so want this to look and play good but it seems impossible! I hate absolutely hate the new art direction they went for:

And the gameplay looks awful since there are no added frames what so ever... shit, give me SFIV right away.

It's simply amazing how much worse the new animation looks now, and the drop off in detail is so much it's looking like an Alpha series game

 

[Pterion]

GAF is now filled with expert game designers and world class artists. From the sounds of this thread, Capcom should have just mined the talent pool in this thread to make the game instead of using a bunch of hacks who know nothing about animation and art.

I hate pseudo-expert teenagers as much as the next guy, but they've got a point this time. It's a shame SF series hasn't improved for me after SF2 turbo and SSF. I was looking forward to this, but I'm not sure anymore. And SF4 = meh.

 

[Oblivion]

Okay, I don't know what the fuck GAF likes in terms of art styles nowadays, so can somebody give me tell me where this stands with SF4 and that new Guilty Gear?

 

[MarkMan]

The look of this game is not going to change the actual gameplay (which is unchanged [except in rebalanced mode]), when playing the original SSF2T mode on this, it will look different but should essentially play the same. I'm sure it might look awful, but it will still play just as well as it always has.

 

[camineet]

Backgrounds look awful, just horrid. Like fucking FLASH. ugh. I had high hopes.

 

[Eccocid]

Capcom should cancel it since SF IV is more like a 3d remake of SF2...there is no need to update SF 2 for HD.

 

[GuessWho]

day 1.

 

[Mamesj]

The look of this game is not going to change the actual gameplay (which is unchanged [except in rebalanced mode]), when playing the original SSF2T mode on this, it will look different but should essentially play the same. I'm sure it might look awful, but it will still play just as well as it always has.

It's alright, nobody will actually be playing the game. Just running it next to a TV with the original in order to find flaws and inconsistencies. that's the real game.

 

[Eccocid]

It's alright, nobody will actually be playing the game. Just running it next to a TV with the original in order to find flaws and inconsistencies. that's the real game.

lol so true! and lots of flash animations and photoshops!

 

[otake]

this game should have been out by now. with every week i lose more interest.

 

[ravien56]

this game should have been out by now. with every week i lose more interest.

in the end ull still pony up the cash for this

 

[DontStopTheTatakai]

Characters/buildings in the background shouldn't have such distinct outlines....

 

[Darkpen]

Ugh... I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Is this a nod in agreement to the post you were replying to?

no, merely showing who he was bashing. I have no real critical opinion regarding the man's skill, when comparing those background shots and his CG stuff.