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[Suairyu]

And nobody will. However, I am genuinely curious about this, which is why I want to know more about those who do want to do it.

So read the big GAF thread about the topic that has already been linked to in this thread. People have already gone through the 90 day process and have had very positive results as a result that cannot be attributed to mere placebo.

And in the mean time, stop making baseless statements about the whole concept. You don't sound genuinely curious, you sound like someone who has already made their mind up and wants to troll. We have jenga for that.

 

[Boozeroony]

Didn't jack since Tuesday. Feels normal tbh .

 

[Suairyu]

Didn't jack since Tuesday. Feels normal tbh .

The first week is easy. Wait until towards the end of week two!

 

[MNC]

Jeez, what's with the bolding? I've read about people fapping like 6 times a day, so uh, I don't really know what's considered excessive. Thought once a day was pretty normal. More evidence I should take a break?

Sorry, an over-dramatic reaction. It's more like I can't understand what a normal day would look like that you feel the urge to fap twice a day. Anyway 6 is fucked up bad I consider once a day quite excessive, depending on your age.

 

[Boozeroony]

The first week is easy. Wait until towards the end of week two!

Two years ago I was on a road trip with some friends with absolutely no private time. I wandered around in Budapest with a constant raging boner. Shit was tough.

 

[CornBurrito]

So read the big GAF thread about the topic that has already been linked to in this thread. People have already gone through the 90 day process and have had very positive results as a result that cannot be attributed to mere placebo.

And in the mean time, stop making baseless statements about the whole concept. You don't sound genuinely curious, you sound like someone who has already made their mind up and wants to troll. We have jenga for that.

I'd really like to know where you got the 90 day thing from. The YBOP recovery page does not say 90 days. It mentions that the time varies depending on the person, level of addiction, and goals.

It also specifically says that people have been successful without going into total celibacy. So why push pure celibacy instead of trying the more moderate procedure first?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

So read the big GAF thread about the topic that has already been linked to in this thread. People have already gone through the 90 day process and have had very positive results as a result that cannot be attributed to mere placebo.

And in the mean time, stop making baseless statements about the whole concept. You don't sound genuinely curious, you sound like someone who has already made their mind up and wants to troll. We have jenga for that.

Well, excuse me for finding the whole "NOTHING FOR 90 DAYS!" thing ridiculous, rather than moderation and self-control. I just wanted to know why it had to be that way and why there weren't better alterntives.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[FStop7]

nofap is a friendly place, if you are serious about this the support and info you can get there is very valuable.

It's not about the people. It's about the fact it's utterly unscientific, unverifiable, etc. It's not a control for anything. The guy I quoted has thrown around a lot of scientific jargon but he's not producing anything quantifiable, measurable, or repeatable.

 

[Barbacoatl]

It's not about the people. It's about the fact it's utterly unscientific, unverifiable, etc. It's not a control for anything. The guy I quoted has thrown around a lot of scientific jargon but he's not producing anything quantifiable, measurable, or repeatable.

If you are interested in pursuing the nofap lifestyle, wether or not you believe in its efficiency, that's the place to go. That's all, the validity of the methods of the tedx guy is secondary for someone who just wants to try it out, not make a doctoral thesis on it.

 

[J.W.Crazy]

Well, excuse me for finding the whole "NOTHING FOR 90 DAYS!" thing ridiculous, rather than moderation and self-control. I just wanted to know why it had to be that way and why there weren't better alterntives.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Delta FosB

Moderation and self control is the ultimate goal. It's just less likely to achieve that goal by saying "I'm going to be moderate starting today!" The idea of the "reset" is that your brain is not functioning properly, likely because a chemical build up is preventing your synapses from properly processing dopamine, and under normal circumstances the time it would take for your brain to normalize would lessen the impact of the change allowing you to gradually slip back towards addiction without fully realizing it.

If you had the self control to be moderate you wouldn't have gigs of porn stashed away on your hard drive. It's far easier to abstain completely until your brain "resets" than it is to prevent yourself from overindulging while you wait for things to level out.

 

[CornBurrito]

Delta FosB

Moderation and self control is the ultimate goal. It's just less likely to achieve that goal by saying "I'm going to be moderate starting today!" The idea of the "reset" is that your brain is not functioning properly, likely because a chemical build up is preventing your synapses from properly processing dopamine, and under normal circumstances the time it would take for your brain to normalize would lessen the impact of the change allowing you to gradually slip back towards addiction without fully realizing it.

If you had the self control to be moderate you wouldn't have gigs of porn stashed away on your hard drive. It's far easier to abstain completely until your brain "resets" than it is to prevent yourself from overindulging while you wait for things to level out.

Ok I really am confused about something.

What qualifies as addiction? The prime example they seem to give is having trouble with real partners, but as someone who hasn't had any, how do I know?

 

[J-A-G]

As somebody who was skeptical of the idea that porn could be considered this much of an addiction and could have such negative repercussions, I decided to start no fap about twenty days ago.

The results for me have been astonishing. I've had huge increases in energy, whereby I no longer have any need for naps. I average maybe six hours of sleep now, and wake up alert and ready to go. Not only that, but my performance in the gym has been improved as well, although I attribute that more to my new diet and training (Leangains) than No Fap. Still, I've been pleasantly surprised by all this new energy I've channeled from masturbating, and being able to apply it in productive parts of my life.

In terms of attitude, I would say I've noticed a major change. I'm more upbeat, I have less cynical thoughts, and while I'm usually not socially awkward at all, I find that I'm much more confident in social settings than before. I also have much more drive and focus; I think less about sex and women, and more about my ambitions and desires.

For those on the Dating-Age side, I find that more women are attracted to me; I've also become more adept at picking up body language cues, social cues, etc. If you feel like you have womanly woes, try not fapping for a while.

Overall, I feel like the benefits of no fap far outweigh the negatives. I just wanted to post my thoughts about this, because even though I have a final in less than two hours, I think no fap has led to a positive change in my life. If any of you guys are curious about it, try it.

 

[Grakl]

I've fapped the same amount as I ever have, and I've just decided to go to the gym more and exercise about an hour and a half to two hours a day. This decision was a couple weeks ago.

The results for me have been astonishing. I've had huge increases in energy, whereby I no longer have any need for naps. I average maybe six hours of sleep now, and wake up alert and ready to go. Not only that, but my performance in the gym has been improved as well, although I attribute that more to my new diet and training (Leangains) than No Fap. Still, I've been pleasantly surprised by all this new energy I've channeled from masturbating, and being able to apply it in productive parts of my life.

In terms of attitude, I would say I've noticed a major change. I'm more upbeat, I have less cynical thoughts, and while I'm usually not socially awkward at all, I find that I'm much more confident in social settings than before. I also have much more drive and focus; I think less about sex and women, and more about my ambitions and desires.

For those on the Dating-Age side, I find that more women are attracted to me; I've also become more adept at picking up body language cues, social cues, etc. If you feel like you have womanly woes, try not fapping for a while.

 

[Suairyu]

I'd really like to know where you got the 90 day thing from. The YBOP recovery page does not say 90 days.

It's a goal. If you check the forums, most people who have been through the process generally agree 90 days was when it felt right. The videos also touch on this.

It also specifically says that people have been successful without going into total celibacy. So why push pure celibacy instead of trying the more moderate procedure first?

Because:
1 - Total celibacy is faster, by objective definition.
2 - If 90 days sounds tough, you want to make it as easy to win as possible. Sticking to "nothing" is a lot easier than sticking to "less", as counter intuitive as that sounds. It's an addiction process. Having just a small amount just means you want more after that. A vice feeds itself, addictions are made worse by addiction. You want to eradicate the crave>reward process in your brain.

 

[Orayn]

It's a goal. If you check the forums, most people who have been through the process generally agree 90 days was when it felt right. The videos also touch on this.

Because:
1 - Total celibacy is faster, by objective definition.
2 - If 90 days sounds tough, you want to make it as easy to win as possible. Sticking to "nothing" is a lot easier than sticking to "less", as counter intuitive as that sounds. It's an addiction process. Having just a small amount just means you want more after that. A vice feeds itself, addictions are made worse by addiction. You want to eradicate the crave>reward process in your brain.

What you're saying may be applicable for whom pornography is a major problem, yet you seem to be making the "masturbating to porn = bad" value judgement for everyone and I can't say I agree with that line of reasoning.

 

[CornBurrito]

It's a goal. If you check the forums, most people who have been through the process generally agree 90 days was when it felt right. The videos also touch on this.

Because:
1 - Total celibacy is faster, by objective definition.
2 - If 90 days sounds tough, you want to make it as easy to win as possible. Sticking to "nothing" is a lot easier than sticking to "less", as counter intuitive as that sounds. It's an addiction process. Having just a small amount just means you want more after that. A vice feeds itself, addictions are made worse by addiction. You want to eradicate the crave>reward process in your brain.

You won't ever eliminate that process in your brain. But I guess that is more of a nitpick since you probably didn't mean it like that.

Anyway. can you answer my other question? What qualifies as addiction? The main thing the site seemed to cover was ED. And not being able to get gratification from a partner. How does a single person tell if they are addicted?

 

[Suairyu]

What you're saying may be applicable for whom pornography is a major problem, yet you seem to be making the "masturbating to porn = bad" value judgement for everyone and I can't say I agree with that line of reasoning.

Except I have made posts in this very thread that say the exact opposite of that. There is nothing wrong with porn, masturbation or the combination of the two. I masturbate and use porn. Sometimes at the same time! Often with a partner.

Anyway. can you answer my other question? What qualifies as addiction? The main thing the site seemed to cover was ED. And not being able to get gratification from a partner. How does a single person tell if they are addicted?

Well, I guess with CAT scans of the brain you can't. But if a lot of the symtoms, such as the ED problems, the lack of satisfaction from partners, the "chaser effect" (wanting to cum again so soon after cumming already), and the general having a wank to porn out of obligation rather than a real desire ring true, then you might have a problem worth investigating.

 

[Devolution]

I think people are assuming Suairyu is making judgment calls when he's talking about "bad" in terms of actual health/addiction. And just because his 3 month thing seems impossible doesn't mean it's wrong. With any sort of addiction you have to have a period of "sobriety."

 

[CornBurrito]

Well, I guess with CAT scans of the brain you can't. But if a lot of the symtoms, such as the ED problems, the lack of satisfaction from partners, the "chaser effect" (wanting to cum again so soon after cumming already), and the general having a wank to porn out of obligation rather than a real desire ring true, then you might have a problem worth investigating.

Then I suppose I don't have a problem.

One more question. You mentioned that a sign of addiction is getting into more extreme stuff. Though how do I know if that is a sign of addiction, or if I am actually just into extreme stuff normally? I guess it would be if you move to extreme stuff because vanilla stuff no longer does it for you?

 

[Buckethead]

I think people are assuming Suairyu is making judgment calls when he's talking about "bad" in terms of actual health/addiction. And just because his 3 month thing seems impossible doesn't mean it's wrong. With any sort of addiction you have to have a period of "sobriety."

Sure but addiction to drugs and alcohol is significantly harmful.

- There's a financial cost to those whereas with porn I'm sure most people who use porn get around via streaming/torrenting.
- There's a physical cost in that it affects your health/body in pretty drastic ways. Shortens lives.
- There's potential consequences (drunk driving, not going to school/work). Loss of freedoms/income.

I'm not saying severe addiction to pornography is without it's effects but putting it on the same level as those others is pretty silly.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Barbacoatl]

Every individual is different. For some, porn can ruin their lives, while tobacco barely makes a dent, and viceversa.

 

[Devolution]

Sure but addiction to drugs and alcohol is significantly harmful.

- There's a financial cost to those whereas with porn I'm sure most people who use porn get around via streaming/torrenting.
- There's a physical cost in that it affects your health/body in pretty drastic ways. Shortens lives.
- There's potential consequences (drunk driving, not going to school/work). Loss of freedoms/income.

I'm not saying severe addiction to pornography is without it's effects but putting it on the same level as those others is pretty silly.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Trip basically stole my post. And there have been people who've lost jobs and wives to porn/masturbation addiction. Since it's also a chemical abuse it's not to be taken lightly.

 

[Suairyu]

Chemical addictions are bad by definition. They're addictions. Saying x or y is worse is meaningless.

 

[Good Job Bob]

UGH.

I'm feeling really crappy about deleting my 500GB porn collection, I had some really amazing stuff in there.

A lot of obscure Japanese porn that I'll never be able to recover..

 

[Dice]

lol not the first case of rash life makeover regret I have seen

 

[Devolution]

UGH.

I'm feeling really crappy about deleting my 500GB porn collection, I had some really amazing stuff in there.

A lot of obscure Japanese porn that I'll never be able to recover..

 

[Tobe]

UGH.

I'm feeling really crappy about deleting my 500GB porn collection, I had some really amazing stuff in there.

A lot of obscure Japanese porn that I'll never be able to recover..

back it up and lock it away, when you get to a normal state, recover it?

 

[hateradio]

Good Job Bob

TBH, I've erased a large collection of porn a few years ago. I guess you don't care after a few years.



As for the no fap movement, do you really not fap? You just wait for nocturnal emissions if you're not having sex? Ugh.

 

[Castor Krieg]

UGH.

I'm feeling really crappy about deleting my 500GB porn collection, I had some really amazing stuff in there.

A lot of obscure Japanese porn that I'll never be able to recover..

I have 2TB of Japanese stuff, swing by when you are in Germany and I will let you copy it. Mostly S1 and Idea Pocket though.

 

[Psychotext]

As for the no fap movement, do you really not fap? You just wait for nocturnal emissions if you're not having sex? Ugh.

That doesn't happen to everyone. I went over a year (long story) and never had it happen.

 

[Buckethead]

My bet she's Korean.

 

[hateradio]

Maybe you just didn't notice the stains?

Damn it, that was in reference to psychotext.

 

[Psychotext]

Maybe you just didn't notice the stains?

Nope, if I didn't, my missus would have... and besides, I have dark bedding. Would stick out like a sore thumb.

Never happened to me when I was young earlier. Always felt like I missed out.

 

[Trojita]

I'm going to try and do a full two weeks without fapping. I'm going to up the ante by taking 4 Maca pills a day which should be delivered within a day or two. I'm either going to feel like a god or be humping anything I see.

 

[robertsan21]

so it is like I have always said.
Men where not created to have sex with just one woman.

like he said in the video, that men will get horny quicker if there is a NEW woman in his bed after each time he finishes having sex.

 

[lopaz]

you're gonna regret deleting your collection in a couple weeks.

oooh yes I've been there done that

 

[TheYanger]

3 days in and it's really hard to continue. $%$%#$ Stay strong!

 

[Barbacoatl]

3 days in and it's really hard to continue. $%$%#$ Stay strong!

Stay strong indeed my fellow fapstronaut. No edging, no "just taking a peek". Keep the nsfw to a minimum, if any at all. Don't think too much about how many pmo-free days you have on your back, see it more as a perpetual daily conquest.

 

[Femmeworth]

After watching this video I decided to give up porn. Two days strong so far. >_>

 

[Grakl]

After watching this video I decided to give up porn. Two days strong so far. >_>

what's that meme it's like watch video become activist or something

 

[Earthstrike]

So I went to your brain on porn and watched all the videos explaining the science behind all this. There definitely is a disconnect between what the science says and what some people are making the benefits out to be. Suffice it to say I am not addicted to porn and will not go through the whole 90 day without PMO operation, however, I am going to give up Porno. I really don't need to waste my time with it, or my bandwidth.

 

[LakeEarth]

I'm trying this out too. Well, except with my g/f, cause she'd kill me if I deprived her for 90 days. Even so, the temptation of watching porn pops into my head a lot. Damn dopamine cravings!

Anyone know of a good parental control program that's free? Make it harder for my temptations to get me? Sure, I'll know the password, but I'll make it something like "I'm a weak bitch" or something that'll prevent me from typing it up.

 

[Femmeworth]

I'm trying this out too. Well, except with my g/f, cause she'd kill me if I deprived her for 90 days. Even so, the temptation of watching porn pops into my head a lot. Damn dopamine cravings!

Anyone know of a good parental control program that's free? Make it harder for my temptations to get me? Sure, I'll know the password, but I'll make it something like "I'm a weak bitch" or something that'll prevent me from typing it up.

Filter programs are not very good. It'd be better to just block your favorite websites through your router.

Actually, you don't have to do it through your router. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkn6IxPudfw

 

[Extollere]

I have no fucking clue what any of this is about. I've always watched porn... I never got into anything extreme, and most of my porn is soft. I've never had any serious problems with it, never had ED, I've never not been excited about sex, and I've never had social nervousness around girls. I fucking love talking to girls, it's like the best part of being around people. I also love looking at porn. /Shrug. But do what you gotta do guys. I support you if you feel like this makes a difference - but I also think that proper moderation is key, rather than total restriction.

 

[Barbacoatl]

More brave souls! I really liked a quote from nofap to advise yourself against porn binges. Goes something like "I want to sit naked by myself in a dark room watching people have sex".

 

[Suairyu]

I'm trying this out too. Well, except with my g/f, cause she'd kill me if I deprived her for 90 days.

So give her 90 days of head. Consider it a three-month intensive course for your oral technique. Do sexually-charged activities, rather than sex. Caressing, kissing, scratching etc. Focus all on her. I dunno, man, there's plenty of ways to give someone satisfaction in the bedroom while not having orgasms yourself. You may even find it a rewarding experience. I know I did.

However, I ScarJo'd out at around the two month mark the first time I did it. Basically those nudes hit the web and... well, yeah. It was my duty to look at them, right? A man should never hesitate when duty calls, no matter the personal price...

So for my second 90 day stab, I allowed myself sex sometimes, but always the long, slow and sensual kind that lasted for ages rather than the jack-hammer "let's get shit DONE, babe!" If my lover needed aggressive sex, it was just fingerbang time. So maybe try that?

I dunno. Point is, even with a girlfriend there are ways to get rid of the desire>porn>reward mechanism whilst still leading a sexually satisfying life, at least on her end. It might take you a bit longer than strict noPMO, but you'll get there.

 

[LakeEarth]

Nah she's a giver. Has been angry at me cause I didn't let her give me a b/j at 2am one night.

Either way, I'm not a firm believer that 90 days of absolutely no release will 'fix' anything. I just want to stop getting ansy if I haven't seen naked ladies for a couple of days.

 

[Draft]

This is pretty much the lamest first world problem of them all.

 

[Suairyu]

Either way, I'm not a firm believer that 90 days of absolutely no release will 'fix' anything. I just want to stop getting ansy if I haven't seen naked ladies for a couple of days.

Is it antsy as in "man I need release I'm getting erections really easily" or as in "I want to look at porn and jackoff?"

If the former, yeah, you don't have the problem the 90 day thing will fix - you're just a horny bugger.

This is pretty much the lamest first world problem of them all.

tbh I think the scourge of people posting the class-war jackoff "first world problems lol" meme in any thread not to do with famine, war or poverty is worse.

 

[Boozeroony]

Did not last for a week. Could not resist the girl...