Oblivion is higher because it's better than those games.
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The PC Gamer Top 100
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Oblivion is higher because it's better than those games.
That would be a consideration if we were trying to define the canon of all-time games, but that isn't at all the goal of the Top 100. As mentioned in the intro paragraph to the list, we have a feature on the 50 most important games of all time that does exactly that. I spent about six months working on it!
The Top 100 is simply our staff voting on the games we'd recommend people play today. Everyone voted on games they love. The whole "gotta get them clicks" refrain is just so tiring.
Here's a palate cleanser. It hasn't been updated in a couple years and focuses on rpg/rpg-ish games, but it's still better.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453
Magic Mushroom
Member
It's the best game in that top ten by far.
Regginator
Member
People seem to really like this mediocre, ridiculously unbalanced game with broken stealth that discourages you from using any of your combat abilities. I don't know what it is, but journalists in particular seem to flip for it. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
People seem to really like this visually striking and atmospheric hauntingly game set in a terrifically fleshed out world with tons of lore that offers one of the most player freedom experiences of recent years.
How can people possibly like that?
Out of curiousity is it just asking everyone to jot down a top 100 then tallying votes? Or is it bare-knuckled backroom politics and lobbying? I like to think of it as the latter with Chris trying to capitalize on years of groundwork and favors owed to get Dota as high up the list as possible.
LOL this thread is where some of GAF realizes that Bethesda is highly regarded.
I really wish I saved my old PC Gamer issues from the mid to late 90s. They did a couple Top 50 lists back then and it would be fun to see what games have survived.
The one thing I do remember is that their 1997 list had Tie Fighter as #1. That's not on the new Top 100 which can be considered both a bummer and a testament to how many great games have been made in the last 20 years.
The one thing I do remember is that their 1997 list had Tie Fighter as #1. That's not on the new Top 100 which can be considered both a bummer and a testament to how many great games have been made in the last 20 years.
I'm old enough to remember their first list when TIE Fighter was #1.
Whom_Gods_Annoy
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Top 5 is good but any list that puts Fallout 4 above New Vegas invalidates it.
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grandwizard
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Never forget
They will never live this down.
Sportbilly
Member
I think putting DA2 into the top 100 is a hamfisted attempt to start its rehabilitation and spare their blushes.
Before it was annualized and less focused on recommendations for *right now* there was more of that for sure, haha. These days it goes more smoothly. We vote, we tally, we discuss. It's not purely numbers based, so we make adjustments that feel right to try to cover blind spots. Ultimately it's limited to games that we play and have played, which is why it can't cover everything. If only we had time to actually play even close to every decent PC game!
Generalpsyduck
Banned
Rocket league lol
chillybright
Banned
Witcher 3 is fucking deserved.
I don't care the rest of the list.
I don't care the rest of the list.
Terra_Ex
Member
Well that tells me everything I need to know, thanks.
Bolivar687
Banned
JustSomeone
Member
People are still discrediting lists because they have picks they disagree with? in 2016? lol
People are still using "people are doing thing X in year Y" arguments in 2016? lol
If you're trying to say that GW2 should be very high on the list as well I agree! Certainly the highest MMO.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dishonored is amazing.
LOL. This is one of the best gaming .gif's ever !
hydrophilic attack
Member
where is ff7 on the list
Bolivar687
Banned
I thought your av looked like an incognito Tidehunter so it would pair well with your post.
But since you mentioned it, GW2 absolutely deserves to be higher on a list of titles to play today.
Ah, no. I'd definitely play a lot more Tide if he had a quaggan-themed getup, though.
mhayze
Member
I love most "top x" lists because I consider them all people's opinions (as opposed to some 'official ranking' or other canonical entry that has real meaning), and I find critics and game journalist opinions very telling of where they fall in the taste spectrum. You also can't help but think of what your list would look like after reading theirs. Also this is an different take on the usual all time best list - games that you would enjoy playing in 2016.
I am surprised that there are zero Blizzard games in the top 10. Since it's a list of games that you can enjoy in 2016, that means that there are no Blizzard games playable today that they would rank over any other game in that top 10. Not that surprising that some people feel that way, I guess?
Edit:
Reading some people's posts with 'why isn't x game on the list' - do people still play so much Myth in 2016 that it fits in their top 10 most played and loved games of 2016? I loved Myth in it's day (
), but it's a multiplayer game, I just assumed the community had evaporated. There are similar explanations for why a lot of other great games don't rank higher on this particular list - you just aren't like to spend a lot of time playing those games in 2016.
I am surprised that there are zero Blizzard games in the top 10. Since it's a list of games that you can enjoy in 2016, that means that there are no Blizzard games playable today that they would rank over any other game in that top 10. Not that surprising that some people feel that way, I guess?
Edit:
Reading some people's posts with 'why isn't x game on the list' - do people still play so much Myth in 2016 that it fits in their top 10 most played and loved games of 2016? I loved Myth in it's day (
OG Bungie!
Not a single game in the top 10 was made before 2007.
Was this list picked by a bunch of teenagers? Good god.
EDIT: Also PCGamer awarding Dark Souls spot number 2 when it launched with one of the worst ports ever. 720p and 30fps. Durante back me up on this!!
EDIT #2: For the record I loved Dark Souls.
Was this list picked by a bunch of teenagers? Good god.
EDIT: Also PCGamer awarding Dark Souls spot number 2 when it launched with one of the worst ports ever. 720p and 30fps. Durante back me up on this!!
EDIT #2: For the record I loved Dark Souls.
I know these lists are the definition of subjective and lots of these comparisons are apples/oranges, but my god The Witcher 3 is one of the most overrated games I've ever played. Characters are generic, story is boring. Tried playing it twice (own it) and just could not get into the gameplay either. I want to see what the world has to offer but if those basics aren't solid there's no way I'm gunna explore it.
Really wish I liked it more because it seems like it's got potential to be really fun.
HL2 should be #1, if we're talking about all time (and at time of release), but if we're just talking about games you can CURRENTLY play, Skyrim should be higher for the sheer amount of things you can do/have fun with.
Really wish I liked it more because it seems like it's got potential to be really fun.
HL2 should be #1, if we're talking about all time (and at time of release), but if we're just talking about games you can CURRENTLY play, Skyrim should be higher for the sheer amount of things you can do/have fun with.
shiftplusone
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as a fan of the thief series and the original deus ex, Dishonored was a fun game in a "aww isn't this cute " kind of way.
5th best game?
5th best game?
Nah, sounds like...
- Your identity isn't wrapped up in entertainment products
- You understand people have varying tastes (and that's okay)
- You don't need to boast about how deep you PC gaming history is
- You realize that it's okay (and perhaps even refreshing ) if every Top 100 list doesn't end with Tetris or Half-Life or whatever.
- You get that an unmentioned personal favorite in no way diminishes said personal favorite
martino
Member
it probably do.
I failed the kill success because i let a stunned guard face in water
It isn't really geared towards young people either. When a PC focused website produces a list like this they should take one look at it and just gut the staff or something. This list is out of touch with what is current, weak when it comes to old games that still hold up well today, and really does nothing to highlight titles that truly take advantage of the PC as a platform.
Ricerocket
Member
Dishonored is really that high on the list? I found it to be real boring.
Wow Dishonored being #5. Not sure if I would fully agree with that, but it is nice seeing it being in the high part of the list.
Also Guild Wars 2 > WoW on there hah hah! > But seriously glad Guild Wars 2 is in the top 50 least.
Agree. Portal 2 was just a whole new level of awesomeness in so many ways really.
Also Guild Wars 2 > WoW on there hah hah! >
But seriously glad Guild Wars 2 is in the top 50 least.Agree. Portal 2 was just a whole new level of awesomeness in so many ways really.
Jacethemindtaker
Neo Member
It's a top ten list - of course it's only reason for existence is for clicks. What other reason is there for it to exist? To inform people of games they may have missed? Not one of the games in the top ten is less than 13 years old (HL2 is the oldest). 3 are from the last year or so..I mean, really? Witcher 3 is the best PC Game ever after having only a year on shelves? Far surpassing Baldurs Gate and KoTor? Doom? Diablo? Starcraft? Xwing? Syndicate? Pirates? Freespace? HoM3? Planescape? etc etc etc etc etc
Given that we have GOG on the PC these days, there's a lot of games there that should be in the top ten. Yes, it's subjective, yes it's just a list - but it's an odd one given where it's coming from.
buuut there's a Hall and Oates reference in the thread, so I guess it was all 'subjectively' worth it for me.
Seriously. A PC gaming site and of the Top 20 only 5 could be remotely counted as "PC Exclusives" or at least PC as the lead platform.
Half-Life 2 (was eventually released for consoles but was PC exclusive for so long I'll count it)
Kerbal Space Program (soon to be on consoles)
Dota 2
EVE Online
XCOM 2 (soon to be on consoles)
I'm not counting TF2 as it released simultaneously for PC and 360.
Since they don't list what their actual criteria for "best" is but then go on to specifically note that historical impact on the industry is not a qualifier I am guessing that their criteria is "games I like on PC as of August 25, 2016".
And if "games I like on PC as of August 25, 2016" is their criteria I could easily come up with a Top 50 that includes games that are either PC exclusive or PC as the lead platform.
That's above and beyond the fact that listing games you like is dumb. There are plenty of games I personally like that I would not recommend to other people (at least not without major caveats) as I have enough brain cells to rub together to figure out that just because I like it doesn't mean its objectively good.
PC Gamer should clearly outline the criteria for "best" and enforce it. People posting on NeoGAF in their spare time, for free can come up with better reasoned arguments for why a certain game is "best".
Going back to PC Gamer's original list, why on earth would I drop $1000+ on a sweet gaming PC and then play poorly optimized console ports. If someone was new to PC gaming I wouldn't recommend a bunch of console ports. How does that showcase what PC gaming can do and is about? "Here's a bunch of games you could have played on the console you already own! Except now they look better!"
As a final troll-y note, I just replayed Half-Life 2 in the last year let me tell you there are about 200+ games more fun than Half-Life 2 at this point. Half-Life 2 is on there strictly for it's historical impact on the industry even though they said that isn't a valid reason to put a game on this list.
Would love to see these lists. I'm sure they are archived somewhere on Tumblr.
Once again NeoGAF's own Steam "Best of Year" list is a more reliable point for finding new-ish good games. Would love to see a NeoGAF PC-Centric Best Games of All Time voting thread.
Diablo II is better than III, Portal 2 is better than 1, WoW is better than GW2 and Heroes III is better than anything on the top 10 except Dark Souls.
Alright list, too bad they screwed up by giving the #1 to the game with the worst gameplay out of the 10 (except for Skyrim, obviously). It's depressing how the best videogames for some people are no longer required to have solid gameplay to build a story/world upon, but the other way around, and games with downright terrible gameplay like TW3 end up above tons and tons of games with perfected gameplay, from RTS, RPGs to Mobas.
Anyways, considering this could very well be a console list, Arkham City is miles better than crap like Skyrim or mediocrity like MGSV.
LoL should be top 5 or higher.
Alright list, too bad they screwed up by giving the #1 to the game with the worst gameplay out of the 10 (except for Skyrim, obviously). It's depressing how the best videogames for some people are no longer required to have solid gameplay to build a story/world upon, but the other way around, and games with downright terrible gameplay like TW3 end up above tons and tons of games with perfected gameplay, from RTS, RPGs to Mobas.
Anyways, considering this could very well be a console list, Arkham City is miles better than crap like Skyrim or mediocrity like MGSV.
LoL should be top 5 or higher.
Considering it was released in 2004, I think it's an absolute achievement the game is still as fun as it is (I've replayed it recently too), but I agree there are a multitude of titles more fun/more worth gamers' time.
The list provided is kind of.. pointless in a while, but then again, most "best games ever" lists are.
MasterMenace
Member
Not a fan of Witcher 3, but I respect where it is. Personally I think Mass Effect 2 should be #1. Also Bloodborne needs to replace Dark Souls' place.