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The Tales of Symphonia PC-Port is a mess!
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You know I always believed companies that did terrible ports were forced to do so. Like they offered to do the port for much lower than it would actually cost so they could get contracts and keep the company alive while cutting corners and making lower quality ports to meet deadlines. This seems more like incompetence unfortunately.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I don't understand how this even happens. How does a studio that incompetent get contracted? It's like Bamco just went for the lowest offer and didn't even bother to make sure they had any idea what they were doing.
Freaking Limit
Member
Isn't this how outsourcing usually works?
I'm joking, but really.
They likely did the bear minimum of research before giving it to the lowest bidder, because they didn't want to spend much on the port. By bear minimum I mean they knew they would have a product they could sell at the end, and not much more.
Celcius
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Consoles don't get ports with these kinds of huge mess-ups because Sony / Nintendo / Microsoft make them go through QA whereas PC is like the wild wild west, right? (no one owns the platform so anything goes?)
I'll be glad when we get through this age of incompetent pc porting.
I'll be glad when we get through this age of incompetent pc porting.
Consoles don't get ports with these kinds of huge mess-ups because Sony / Nintendo / Microsoft make them go through QA whereas PC is like the wild wild west, right? (no one owns the platform so anything goes?)
I'll be glad when we get through this age of incompetent pc porting.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/12/17/what-the-heck-is-wrong-with-tetris-ps4
Celcius
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http://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/412446292759260120/#c412448158163489761
It's funny they don't even mention that in the patch notes though, but, finally.
texhnolyze
Banned
CertifiedFP
Member
Is this a good thing or something? Was it using XInput for the keyboard previously and creating issues?
Consoles don't get ports with these kinds of huge mess-ups because Sony / Nintendo / Microsoft make them go through QA whereas PC is like the wild wild west, right? (no one owns the platform so anything goes?)
I'll be glad when we get through this age of incompetent pc porting.
Errrr. ZoE HD? USF4 PS4? Tons of problematic Vita ports? Shit ports happen when publishers don't give a shit. First Party QA doesn't shield consumers from crappy performance and low effort, it only ensures that the game won't blow your system up or delete all your saves. Lol.
I have no idea what it was doing before, but it is a good thing, DirectInput is pretty much the default for keyboards.
Yes, it's a good thing. Presumably they had some other horribly mangled input management that was doing things it shouldn't have been, while DI is fast, reliable, and easy to spoof.
mugurumakensei
Member
It's good. Keyboard input more stable and Vmprotect booted means some stuttering will be gone. Also, it is now much easier to inject DLLs without going about it sideways.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Probably realized the community/Kaldaien was doing more for the game than the actual developers, so they removed the anti-tamper DRM that was making things harder for them.
Several improvements to graphics and performance (stuttering and loading) with TSFix.
Game's still locked at 30fps, but with VMProtect now gone, should be just a matter of time, probably.
CertifiedFP
Member
Well, technically, it only deletes saves from its own sandbox, sooo...
BoosterDuck
Banned
wow what a joke
it's like Namco wanted to cancel this at the last minute but went "Oh shit we promised Zestiria owners they'd get this! Quick hire the cheapest port house to do this!"
BONKERS
Member
They remove it and once again, no communication. The only thing I could possibly imagine the management structure being like is in the first episode of Band of Brothers with Captain Sobel. That fucking guy or more than one of him is running this shit show.
All this makes me sad that Grandia II on steam according to steamspy only has just over 50k owners. It deserves so much better considering the support and communication from GungHo even HERE on GAF.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/37236...59260120/?tscn=1456567620#c412448158154485134
All this makes me sad that Grandia II on steam according to steamspy only has just over 50k owners. It deserves so much better considering the support and communication from GungHo even HERE on GAF.
GOD DAMN IT OTHER OCEAN
Consoles don't get ports with these kinds of huge mess-ups because Sony / Nintendo / Microsoft make them go through QA whereas PC is like the wild wild west, right? (no one owns the platform so anything goes?)
I'll be glad when we get through this age of incompetent pc porting.
The certification processes exist merely to ensure games adhere to each respective certification criteria (achievement/trophy support and the like), which is why publishers either have their own QA departments or partner with a third party. That isn't to say those involved with certification don't make note of unrelated bugs they encounter -- some probably do, others not so much -- but QA isn't the purpose.
jediyoshi
Member
Everything about this has been hilarious and bizarre.
PyroPaperPlanes
Member
It's beyond the point of caring now. Shame on you Namco. Shame on you.
If all this true Durante would probably be deeply wounded in his soul. Also it sounds like other Ocean seriously needs to hire some new talent or they should stop getting jobs no matter how "cheap" they are.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
They just need to contract Kaldaien at this point. Pay him so they can use his work and get the official release fixed up.
Linearskillz
Member
Yikes at some of these findings. I'm convinced this was mostly ported by junior coders or at the very least people with very little experience with graphics programming.
At least VMProtect is gone. That is a victory.
At least VMProtect is gone. That is a victory.
Honestly it makes it sound like Other Ocean's coders are a bunch of kids just out of Uni without a competent technical lead to go no don't do that.
From what I am seeing, there is a very good chance that this is true.
Some of the ways they have gone about patching the issues just screams ignorance.
You do not need to know anything about graphics programming to know not to do some of the stupid shit they have.
As I said, I've never programmed with direct X. I've never done graphics programming. you can see how I figured out how I would hide the cursor by reading my post and clicking the links. I googled and clicked a few search results.
These people are incompetent, not inexperienced.
BONKERS
Member
I have put 60 FPS aside for now. I wasted a lot of time on that, and because of the way the game is written it's going to be an insane hassle involving re-writing some animation code. I would have to re-write a lot of SSE2 math that the compiler generated. Compiler optimized code is not pretty to reverse engineer
I may re-visit it in the future, but it's definitely no longer a priority.
I really think the reason Tales of Zestiria was released with a 30 FPS cap was because QLOC was battling with Namco's horrendous framerate limiter. It can't even do 30 FPS correctly, much less 60.
They did a lot of work behind the scenes that's really difficult to do with just assembly language code. Thanks to their work at a more reasonable level (C++ code), it was pretty easy to get 60 FPS stable in Zestiria. It's not even easy to get it to happen period in Symphonia, much less iron out kinks such as collision detection :-\
http://steamcommunity.com/app/37236...59260120/?tscn=1457272357#c412448792364538727
If he can't do it very easily. Good luck getting Bamco to actually do any work trying.
Maybe they'll surprise us!.... yeah right.
*sigh*
Left looks way better
texhnolyze
Banned
EVA UNIT 01
Member
saw this was on sale for the current anime sale.
Did this port EVER get fixed?
like as in a stable 60fps and any graphical enhancements?
Did this port EVER get fixed?
like as in a stable 60fps and any graphical enhancements?
Everything is fixed due to patches and a fanmod called TSFix. However, a 60fps mod currently doesn't exists. It's still the best version of the game when incorporating mods right now bar it being 30fps.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
so in every other regard its the best experience but it still runs at 30?
I guess i need to decide if 9.99 is a fair deal for not having to set up my ps3 then in order to play this again.
that and hope someday a 60fps fix comes along.
is it DS4 compatible?
Beats me, but if it isn't, there are programs that allow for ds4 conversions over to xbox pads.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
BONKERS
Member
No it's not fixed entirely.
There are a ton of bugs that don't exist in the GCN original,
https://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/412446292769130296/
The latest patch mentions fixing some text/localization stuff. But no specifics , so there is no confirmation of what all has been fixed.
The resolution is still locked, the framerate limiter is still broken,it still has that annoying ultra low res bloom effect carried over from Zestiria,there's no AA at all, no outlines it's still 30FPS.(All but the last can be fixed with TSFix, but you shoudn't have to be required to do so to get it up to par with how it should be at teh minimum. )
There are others too i'm sure.
I would've waited until the game was like 5$ or less. It's not worth giving them money for.
They took 2 months to release another patch and they still haven't even fixed the resolution at least.
They are taking giant slow baby steps.
There are a ton of bugs that don't exist in the GCN original,
https://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/412446292769130296/
The latest patch mentions fixing some text/localization stuff. But no specifics , so there is no confirmation of what all has been fixed.
The resolution is still locked, the framerate limiter is still broken,it still has that annoying ultra low res bloom effect carried over from Zestiria,there's no AA at all, no outlines it's still 30FPS.(All but the last can be fixed with TSFix, but you shoudn't have to be required to do so to get it up to par with how it should be at teh minimum. )
There are others too i'm sure.
I would've waited until the game was like 5$ or less. It's not worth giving them money for.
They took 2 months to release another patch and they still haven't even fixed the resolution at least.
They are taking giant slow baby steps.
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