I don't think the outline fix is up on the public gedo branch yet.
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The Tales of Symphonia PC-Port is a mess!
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I don't think the outline fix is up on the public gedo branch yet.
Because in the intervening time you have to deal with the bad press and user review scores on Steam, which probably decreases your sales up front.
Besides, the situation isn't that they should give Durante money, it's that they should pay the developers for the few fucking hours it takes to fix this shit, and do it themselves.
Shifty1897
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15 minutes. Including figuring out when and how they get drawn.
Admittedly, I could only do it that quickly since I'm quite familiar with cel shading approaches of that era (what they do is render the mesh again scaled out and with inverted culling).
Since people are asking about the framerate: if it's possible at all, that would most likely take more time than I'm willing to invest on this game.
Durante, putting shame in your PC porting game since 2012.
BONKERS
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I actually had daydreams about arranging the soundtrack to this game if the PC port was good and music easily replaceable a few weeks ago.
Because, the music is good. But clearly limited by the simplistic Sequencing and samples. I would really love to do it with some of my friends in the VGM community (Sans changing the arrangements or structure that is. Just improved versions the way the music already is)
But ehhhhhh.
What's amazing is that durante fixed the cel shading with ease. Meanwhile Bamco didn't even bother with the PS3 version.
What you think they will bring this completely up to snuff and fix everything?
Good laugh my friend. They had a good chance before they decided to release this POS.
And if they don't return it to 60FPS as it should be then they can lasdkjflasjdlf;kejnz;kljer
DQHeroes has no AA(Is DX11 means no forced AA), not even FXAA and only runs up to 1080p. Special attacks still lock to 30, like consoles.
And game development since the PS2 (and PS3 version, for that matter) don't have that effect.
MilkyOctave
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You're right, I forgot about that.Ucchedavāda;194028059 said:
Also, they gave it some thought as they created a new profile:
BandaiNamcoUS Community posted an annoucement: Tales of Symphonia - Patch Notes (2/2/2016)
https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198281289384/
Think they're sincerely trying, which might be a good sign.
It is now. I did it today before work, now after work I still had to add a toggle, document and push it.
Firstly, thanks to Durante for the work! It is amazing to see something so beautiful so quickly. It is good to see feedback from Bandai Namco on the issue. Contrast that with Final Fantasy V and Square Enix, which has a topic outlining bugs (some critical that were identified the week of launch) and for which there is not a single SE response or patch. I am not excusing what a mess this was, but if they are actively trying to fix that mess it is good.
There are several people that have contributed to Tales of Zestiria's fix mod, however I'll quote this from its creator. I would say primary contributor, but I do not want to disrespect anyone else such as the person whose work got merged into it to make the FPS variable.
Here's a link to the post.
I'd assume the same would apply to Durante, regarding their ability to afford to pay on the budget.
There are several people that have contributed to Tales of Zestiria's fix mod, however I'll quote this from its creator. I would say primary contributor, but I do not want to disrespect anyone else such as the person whose work got merged into it to make the FPS variable.
Here's a link to the post.
Kaldaien (From the Steam boards for Tales of Zestiria.) said:
I'd assume the same would apply to Durante, regarding their ability to afford to pay on the budget.
I would go as far as saying that every time a bad PC port of a game whose engine isn't already so multiplatform that you can generate a port with a click of a button comes out, it's caused by budget and/or project management issues.
Porting a console game to PC at all requires a team of decently skilled programmers. I cannot imagine a programmer who can contribute anything useful to a PC port, yet is unable to do something as basic as making the game's internal rendering resolution variable.
And if a game comes out with lots of bugs (and is otherwise decent), that's just a clear-cut indicator that the developers either ran out of money or have a terrible QA process that makes finding, organising and eventually fixing bugs a nightmare.
Porting a console game to PC at all requires a team of decently skilled programmers. I cannot imagine a programmer who can contribute anything useful to a PC port, yet is unable to do something as basic as making the game's internal rendering resolution variable.
And if a game comes out with lots of bugs (and is otherwise decent), that's just a clear-cut indicator that the developers either ran out of money or have a terrible QA process that makes finding, organising and eventually fixing bugs a nightmare.
Well yes they should probably apply a budget larger than $10 to make a compentent port for a game that wouod easily sell a couple hundred thousand. It's not like they didn't have the numbers and feedback from Zestiria to now that they can be successful on the platform.
texhnolyze
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It seems that the reason why some people can run it at 40fps is they're running on Windows XP (or with the compatibility).
texhnolyze
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Wow, the new Bandai Namco US account on Steam just acknowledeged Kaldaien's post about the framelimiter and other stuff :
http://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/412446292759260120/
So, official 60 FPS fix soon ?
http://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/412446292759260120/
So, official 60 FPS fix soon ?
Novum_Veritas
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What the hell happened to Bandai Namco US division?
This is the first fucked up port they really consider fixing, this time.
Negative press happened, I guess.
Novum_Veritas
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I think that is true, without the press and Durante's article they would have never bothered to even look at it.
PyroPaperPlanes
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Let's see if Namco bothers to fix the game. Until they fix the framerate, consider me out.
Wow, that negative press sure got to them.
But why does this always have to happen after the damage is done?
Looks like the profound logic of the ones making the decisions for this port continues to escape the understanding of a mere mortal like myself.
Novum_Veritas
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They're using an easy strategy:
If nobody talks about it, especially not the press, it isn't even noteworthy.
They always do something when there is enough uproar, good thing that happened with ToS.
texhnolyze
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Not seeing much reason to pick this up when I could emulate my GCN version.
Is that really a bad thing? If anything it could be fun to mess with.
3.These things are just saved in a simple txt file:
Is that really a bad thing? If anything it could be fun to mess with.
There is no reason, no idea why people buy this. It's like some people unironically just want to see this world burn and then complain about it.
Right now, this is true (except for those who got it as a free preorder bonus)
But in the future, assuming enough fixes will be made (officially or unofficially), this has the potential to become the best version of the game, as this version has the extra content from the PS2 version.
Until then, Dolphin is the best option.
Heck, even in its original form on GC, it's better than the PC version (well, if you have a CRT or an upscaler).
I really strongly disagree. (Incredibly strongly). But we know our relative views on image quality vs. framerate.
It would be incredible if Durante could get the game to run at 60 FPS while Scamco rolls out patches that are fixing typos. In any case I'll just buy this game when its deeply discounted at a much later date and everything is fixed without tom foolery.
When will compnies realize realizing broken PC ports day 1 will effect their bottom dollar tremendously?
When will compnies realize realizing broken PC ports day 1 will effect their bottom dollar tremendously?
It definitely doesn't upscale as badly as someone might think thanks to the relatively simple art style, and the framerate difference compared to the PS2/PS3/PC version is a definite plus.
Trojita
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Looks like 60fps fixes might not be possible anytime soon or at all due to the fucking DRM. Thanks BAMCO.
texhnolyze
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That account literally copied that exact post in another thread.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/372360/discussions/0/458607699626558474/#c412446292760986846
It's just a usual PR bullshit, don't get your hopes up for 60fps fix before they remove that shitty DRM.
Kaldaeien has also shared his thought about this.
No, that won't be possible until somebody does something about the DRM protection the game uses. We need to run the game through a debugger and watch memory access patterns to be able to do the same sort of thing we did in Tales of Zesteria. VMProtect prevents that, because it's the same sort of technique people use to disable DRM
I don't know where you guys are getting the idea that response = "official 60fps incoming?" regardless of whether it's a copy/paste post or not.
It's posted in a thread addressing the stuttering which also so happens to have (the inevitable, lol) discussion of 60fps. Seems like they were acknowledging the stuttering and/or the hilarious issue of the game running at 40 instead of 30 under certain compatibility modes.
It's posted in a thread addressing the stuttering which also so happens to have (the inevitable, lol) discussion of 60fps. Seems like they were acknowledging the stuttering and/or the hilarious issue of the game running at 40 instead of 30 under certain compatibility modes.
I've been known to be wrong before
GC games have really good image quality when displayed via component on a 480p CRT. 30 FPS, on the other hand, can never be described as "really good". Especially not for an action-heavy RPG like ToS.
I find rather interesting that the one of the modders (or maybe even the principal creator) of Tales of Zestiria fix is convinced that Symphonia seems to be using the same engine, simply by fact its execuable seems to work the same way (using the same/similar addresses for the same things). Could mean that future ports could be relatively simple, if they have the games running using the same toolset. On the other hand, it makes ToS' PC port woes so much weirder. Why not let the same people do both?
Steam forums display a mouse icon next to your name if you own the game the forum is for.
See, in my opinion anything rendered at 480 vertical pixels without AA can never be considered even remotely "good" IQ.
That's not even an opinion. That's just a fact.
Wait, so not only are they implementing so that the resolution alters the internal res, there's a possibility that they're looking into fixing the framerate as well? Not that I wouldn't use GeDoSaTo for this, the black outlines are an absolute must.
Maybe Kaldaien can make it work, if else, since he said it uses the same framelimiter as Zestiria. Let's hope there's some legacy 60 FPS code to use this time around as well.
Maybe Kaldaien can make it work, if else, since he said it uses the same framelimiter as Zestiria. Let's hope there's some legacy 60 FPS code to use this time around as well.
I guess it might be a case of them seeing how easy these ports could be, so they decided to see just how cheap and lazy they could be with porting older stuff and get away with it.
I doubt they are trying to get 60fps working.
And a mod won't happen unless Namco gets rid of that shitty DRM.
Talking about the shitty DRM, I found this on the steam forums:
Kaldaien said:
While it's not guaranteed that VMProtect is the one 'phoning home', it at least makes it impossible to determine who is responsible.
Edit: Apparently it was not VMProtect, but something Windows 10 did, though VMProtect made it harder to determine what actually caused it, so I think suspicions were justified : P
even with private profiles?
R10Neymarfan
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So they figured out that Sculpin QA ported the game to PC
https://www.linkedin.com/company/sculpin-qa
https://www.linkedin.com/company/sculpin-qa
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